Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com

[xstr8guy]

I'm just going to put this out there, but I got a gut feeling that if Hashfast deliver in December, and its looking like they will, depending on how "substantial" it is then KnC may do another batch of Jupiters.

Their policy was not to produce any more batches in December 2013, January 2014 or  February 2014 unless any of their competitors add large amounts of hashing power to the network during the same period.

Hopefully, if they do, they will be comparable in price to their competition i.e. <$4K

I believe KNC is geared-up already and just waiting for the competition to release.

But... and here's the kicker... KNC will be shipping only Jupiters (no Saturns)from stock or with a very short build time.  Remember, no one else will be shipping orders made today until March/April at the soonest.  Therefore KNC will be pricing accordingly, easily double your $4000 guesstimate.

Bitfury did the same thing.  30GH/s boards were $500 two months ago but are now $1000 each.

Hash power today is worth MUCH more than hash power in 3 or 4 months.  And no, the cost to produce a product has no bearing on its price as long as there is a demand for that item.

Not sure really depends, Bitfury had zero competition (KnC had stopped shipping), they also had a LOT of people with semi populated rigs who need those extra blades.

By the time KnC does a January or February batch HF will have been in full swing with 500Gh/s BJ's at $2250 and there is a likelyhood that Cointerra & Blackarrow will be shipping and selling their $6K 2TH miners.

Of course its all dependent on "if" they ship.

Bitfury has no competition right now?  Not true.  ASICMiner Cube, Avalon Mini, BFL Single (yes, really!) and the awesome BitMain AntMiner are all shipping now or with just a little lead time.  That's competition!  Not to mention all of the Bitfury and Avalon clone makers.

Sure HF, Cointerra, BlackArrow, etc. may finally be shipping their first, possibly second batch preorders but they won't be shipping from stock and KNC possibly could.  You'll still have to wait a couple of months if you order a HashFast or Cointerra at that time.  So if you want a Jupiter at that very instant, you'll pay through the ass for it.  I guarantee it!

[faizaa123]

Good to see the Neptunes sell out.  I decided against purchasing one, I think I'll go for 3rd generation KNCs.  Great company to deal with.  A complete pleasure compared to some of the other nightmarish manufacturers out there.

3rd gen stuff will be commercial....might not be suitable for you dude.

Has this been confirmed?

[ASIC-K]

Good to see the Neptunes sell out.  I decided against purchasing one, I think I'll go for 3rd generation KNCs.  Great company to deal with.  A complete pleasure compared to some of the other nightmarish manufacturers out there.

3rd gen stuff will be commercial....might not be suitable for you dude.

Has this been confirmed?

well knc stated the neptune will be their last consumer device...

[faizaa123]

Good to see the Neptunes sell out.  I decided against purchasing one, I think I'll go for 3rd generation KNCs.  Great company to deal with.  A complete pleasure compared to some of the other nightmarish manufacturers out there.

3rd gen stuff will be commercial....might not be suitable for you dude.

Has this been confirmed?

well knc stated the neptune will be their last consumer device...

Interesting... thanks for that info.

[xstr8guy]

KnC's network protection program is quite inferior to BFLs. BFL have been protecting the network for like 18 months now

Ack!  Can't we let that meme die yet?  They've actually shipped all of the first gen preorders and are shipping from stock.  But yeah, still waiting on the Monarch... so there's that...   

[davewr2013]

Is anyone using Seasonic X1250W supplies for their November Jupiters? I found that after about a minute after bootup (when the Jupiter is about to start hashing), the PSU shuts down. I let the PSU reset itself (takes several minutes), try again, same results. Consistent and repeatable. I tried 2 separate X1250's and 2 separate November Jupiters with the same result.

Obviously 1250W should be plenty, and the Seasonic is a high-quality supply, so I'm not sure what is causing the shutdowns. I normally have the X1250's running 4 BFL SC Singles without any issue, and those take more power than a Jupiter.

I had some Corsair AX860's kicking around so I tried those for the Jupiters. They work well and I haven't had any trouble after 24 hours now.

I can confirm this will happen with the X Series.

I made a Previous post on this btw...

[DeathAndTaxes]

Is anyone using Seasonic X1250W supplies for their November Jupiters? I found that after about a minute after bootup (when the Jupiter is about to start hashing), the PSU shuts down. I let the PSU reset itself (takes several minutes), try again, same results. Consistent and repeatable. I tried 2 separate X1250's and 2 separate November Jupiters with the same result.

Obviously 1250W should be plenty, and the Seasonic is a high-quality supply, so I'm not sure what is causing the shutdowns. I normally have the X1250's running 4 BFL SC Singles without any issue, and those take more power than a Jupiter.

I had some Corsair AX860's kicking around so I tried those for the Jupiters. They work well and I haven't had any trouble after 24 hours now.

I can confirm this will happen with the X Series.

I made a Previous post on this btw...

A solution was provided upthread.  The power supply has current limit per CABLE SET not per plug.  Be sure to use 1 PCIe plug per cable.  Connecting two ASIC boards on one cable puts the peak current over limit OCP and it trips to protect the PSU and device. I have two Jupiters (1 Oct, 1 Nov) running on SeaSonic 1250W without issue. 

[opentoe]

All manufactures will have no choice but to make "commercial" rigs. When making rigs 5TH+, they all become commercial. Only the guys that have the facilities to run these will be the only ones buying them. I really hope that 30 year old still living at mommy's house doesn't try to buy one of those future 5-9TH models. There goes the electrical house fire.

[helmax]

It must have been god
I was lucky to buy today in the last day

[davewr2013]

Is anyone using Seasonic X1250W supplies for their November Jupiters? I found that after about a minute after bootup (when the Jupiter is about to start hashing), the PSU shuts down. I let the PSU reset itself (takes several minutes), try again, same results. Consistent and repeatable. I tried 2 separate X1250's and 2 separate November Jupiters with the same result.

Obviously 1250W should be plenty, and the Seasonic is a high-quality supply, so I'm not sure what is causing the shutdowns. I normally have the X1250's running 4 BFL SC Singles without any issue, and those take more power than a Jupiter.

I had some Corsair AX860's kicking around so I tried those for the Jupiters. They work well and I haven't had any trouble after 24 hours now.

I can confirm this will happen with the X Series.

I made a Previous post on this btw...

A solution was provided upthread.  The power supply has current limit per CABLE SET not per plug.  Be sure to use 1 PCIe plug per cable.  Connecting two ASIC boards on one cable puts the peak current over limit OCP and it trips to protect the PSU and device. I have two Jupiters (1 Oct, 1 Nov) running on SeaSonic 1250W without issue. 

I have been around PC's and do understand the current limit per cable set.

I did use one of each plug set.

I can confirm that I did everything correctly before I switched to the V1000 -- no problem now.

It seems it would depend on the PSU and the particular chips that you have and the individual current draw.

[Biffa]

Go knc go
But why not have installed extra ports at November Jupiter board???
How will do the upgraded

Jupiters are not designed to be upgraded, where do you put the boards inside a Jupiter? Upgrades are designed for Saturn/Mercury.

[Paladin69]

Go knc go
But why not have installed extra ports at November Jupiter board???
How will do the upgraded

Jupiters are not designed to be upgraded, where do you put the boards inside a Jupiter? Upgrades are designed for Saturn/Mercury.

Who cares if the case wasn't designed for it.  6 boards work just fine on the Oct Jup's.



People who had their 5th & 6th ports removed from their non-day1, 2, 3 Jups got screwed over.  I suspect the controller boards could've handled 6 Nov boards just fine if given the chance.

[Tigggger]

Who cares if the case wasn't designed for it.  6 boards work just fine on the Oct Jup's.

<snip cool pic>

I hope you prepared yourself for all the whinging that's sure to follow about how unfair it was that jupiter owners could buy the modules

[Paladin69]

Who cares if the case wasn't designed for it.  6 boards work just fine on the Oct Jup's.

<snip cool pic>

I hope you prepared yourself for all the whinging that's sure to follow about how unfair it was that jupiter owners could buy the modules

Well if it makes people feel any better, the amount of BTC I spent for Nov Jups will never be recovered.

[Phoenix1969]

Who cares if the case wasn't designed for it.  6 boards work just fine on the Oct Jup's.

<snip cool pic>

I hope you prepared yourself for all the whinging that's sure to follow about how unfair it was that jupiter owners could buy the modules

Well if it makes people feel any better, the amount of BTC I spent for Nov Jups will never be recovered.

That's quite a statement there Paladin.... I'm shocked!
That would be totally by your own doing considering they sell for 3x to 4x their original value, some Octobers went for 28 thousand dollars and more.
Which you could then buy BTC or more machines with, or be satisfied in total glory you made 3x+your investment and move on if somehow you weren't happy with mining....
They also seem to mine very well btw?
You leave it unplugged or something?...wow.
I don't see how you could not recover the original BTC amount unless you are totally inept when it comes to investments.

[Searing]

KnC's network protection program is quite inferior to BFLs. BFL have been protecting the network for like 18 months now

Best quote of year.

lmao (but it hurts sooooo bad I'm down 8k with bfl but my *forced to upgrade because of no refunds of april bricks* to 900gh of monarchs wil save me!!! (wanders off for a good sob)

[Soros Shorts]

Is anyone using Seasonic X1250W supplies for their November Jupiters? I found that after about a minute after bootup (when the Jupiter is about to start hashing), the PSU shuts down. I let the PSU reset itself (takes several minutes), try again, same results. Consistent and repeatable. I tried 2 separate X1250's and 2 separate November Jupiters with the same result.

Obviously 1250W should be plenty, and the Seasonic is a high-quality supply, so I'm not sure what is causing the shutdowns. I normally have the X1250's running 4 BFL SC Singles without any issue, and those take more power than a Jupiter.

I had some Corsair AX860's kicking around so I tried those for the Jupiters. They work well and I haven't had any trouble after 24 hours now.

I can confirm this will happen with the X Series.

I made a Previous post on this btw...

Try plugging one of the PCI-e connectors to the socket marked CPU/PCI-e on the Seasonic X1250W. The shutdown seems to go away if you do this.  Not sure why this happens as this is supposedly a single-rail PSU.

[Bogart]

by far knc is the best company

The only other company that has shipped is bfl, so it's only really fair at this point to say "knc are better than bfl".

I think in the new year, when 2 or 3 more asic companies ship, we'll see a whole new picture emerge.

Wat?

Did you somehow overlook BitFountain, BitSyncom, BitFury, and BitMain?

[CYPER]

Do you think adding a second extension would case any problems like voltage drop 

It will be original PCI-E cable coming from the PSU, then the extension cable below and last the original extension cable that came with the miner.

[Paladin69]

Who cares if the case wasn't designed for it.  6 boards work just fine on the Oct Jup's.

<snip cool pic>

I hope you prepared yourself for all the whinging that's sure to follow about how unfair it was that jupiter owners could buy the modules

Well if it makes people feel any better, the amount of BTC I spent for Nov Jups will never be recovered.

That's quite a statement there Paladin.... I'm shocked!
That would be totally by your own doing considering they sell for 3x to 4x their original value, some Octobers went for 28 thousand dollars and more.
Which you could then buy BTC or more machines with, or be satisfied in total glory you made 3x+your investment and move on if somehow you weren't happy with mining....
They also seem to mine very well btw?
You leave it unplugged or something?...wow.
I don't see how you could not recover the original BTC amount unless you are totally inept when it comes to investments.

I bought when the price was $125.  So your last line is correct.  I'll admit being inept.  I was too focused on bonus Jups and a miscalculated diff increase.  Which I sort of blame KnC for.  I feel they should have announced they were shipping 5,000 Oct machines with plans to own 70% of the network once 600m diff was hit.  I'm glad to see KnC announcing the amount of Neptunes now.  Although I think the difficulty will run away from everyone in the 20nm gen.  I say this while in for two Neptunes as well.  I think Batch 2 people are going to get a bit screwed.

Miners can still profit.  I'm not going to complain.  I am just sad a hobby got transformed into a reseller market that preys on others while mining on the margins.