Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com

[Professor James Moriarty]

 Did anyone made the joke about 'swedish' asic miners comes in parts and you have to build them yourself because it is 'cheaper' that way?

Yes there where jokes about that 

There are people dreaming about that.

 ahahaha thinking about getting a miner all apart from and a guide , I havent bought any knc yet but if it was like that a little cheaper I would definetly buy one

[Biomech]

Thought no chips were to go out until after the backlog was cleared.

...unless you offer champagne.

BFL has a financial incentive to ship chips with a balance due on delivery.

Exactly right.  I'm anxious to see what they do.

If they ship chips before clearing the backlog, I fear Josh may be set adrift in a rowboat and all his breadfruit plants thrown overboard.

Bligh did survive that you know...

[poelling92]

 Did anyone made the joke about 'swedish' asic miners comes in parts and you have to build them yourself because it is 'cheaper' that way?

If they sell chips alone only, it could be done...

[Professor James Moriarty]

 no no they should sell the chips and the circuit and every single thing you might need to build it , but give you just a guide to help you do it

 In the end the thing will work but you will have a screw in your hand going 'I think this was extra' and throw it away

[timmmers]

 no no they should sell the chips and the circuit and every single thing you might need to build it , but give you just a guide to help you do it

 In the end the thing will work but you will have a screw in your hand going 'I think this was extra' and throw it away

They already said they will sell the modules as upgrades. That's got to better than just chips.

I heard some stuff about Intel releasing 14nm tech a while back and if things keep on as they have done lately I'd not bet against them coming to a rig near you soon...who knows what that will mean for us, it would be nice if we just needed new modules and a DIY upgrade was possible. Be awful quick to get them out and running compared to a whole new machine if that were the case.

[xstr8guy]

 no no they should sell the chips and the circuit and every single thing you might need to build it , but give you just a guide to help you do it

 In the end the thing will work but you will have a screw in your hand going 'I think this was extra' and throw it away

And you could always return it and get a "wobbly CD rack and some of those rancid meatballs."
  - Professor Farnsworth.

[HeRetiK]

I heard some stuff about Intel releasing 14nm tech a while back and if things keep on as they have done lately I'd not bet against them coming to a rig near you soon...

Bitcoin market cap: ~1.5 Billion USD
Intel market cap: ~110 Billion USD

I think Bitcoin still has a long way to go to become interesting for the likes of Intel. And should that day ever come their 14nm tech is going to be the least of my worries

[Ytterbium]

 Did anyone made the joke about 'swedish' asic miners comes in parts and you have to build them yourself because it is 'cheaper' that way?

If they sell chips alone only, it could be done...

Well, the joke is you still have to supply your own PSU. And not only that, you'll also need to supply your own power supply on switch since the miner won't do it itself, apparently.

[Ytterbium]

I heard some stuff about Intel releasing 14nm tech a while back and if things keep on as they have done lately I'd not bet against them coming to a rig near you soon...

Bitcoin market cap: ~1.5 Billion USD
Intel market cap: ~110 Billion USD

I think Bitcoin still has a long way to go to become interesting for the likes of Intel. And should that day ever come their 14nm tech is going to be the least of my worries

the $17 million that HashFast and Cointerra have (supposedly) made in pre-orders isn't nothing. Intel makes lots of chips, not just desktop CPUs but lots of ASICs as well.

Back when SSDs were starting to get popular Intel came out with their own, and it performed way better then anything else on the market - not because the flash memory was any better, but because the ASIC they used to interface the flash to SATA was so much better. Other drives were fast for the most part, but would randomly lag under typical desktop usage (where tons of little files, like dlls and registry keys need to be read and written too constantly)

Turns out, Intel looked at the available controllers, decided they all sucked, and just made their own. Now that SSD controllers are a lot better, Intel doesn't make them any more.

Of course, I doubt that little asic was made at their smallest process node. And from what I understand development costs go up significantly the smaller you go.  However my guess is that for Intel those costs might not be as high, since they'll likely have all the software, test equipment, and so on available right away.

And, of course, they have their own fabs. Which means that, not only do they not need to deal with third party companies to interface with the fabs, as most bitcoin ASIC people have had to do, access to things like spots on multi-project wafers should be easy to get, even on short notice. 

It would depend on what kind of resources they want to spend on it - but given the time sensitive nature Intel could do things like kick existing slots off of wafer runs to get test chips and so on.

[Tigggger]

Well, the joke is you still have to supply your own PSU. And not only that, you'll also need to supply your own power supply on switch since the miner won't do it itself, apparently.

You use the on/off button on the PSU and attach one of these to the ATX plug, they are $1-$2 on ebay or make yourself

[kano]

Well, the joke is you still have to supply your own PSU. And not only that, you'll also need to supply your own power supply on switch since the miner won't do it itself, apparently.

You use the on/off button on the PSU and attach one of these to the ATX plug, they are $1-$2 on ebay or make yourself

http://s11.postimg.org/xtjtc2x8z/atx.jpg

Cut a small metal paper clip in half ... 2c ?

[Biomech]

Well, the joke is you still have to supply your own PSU. And not only that, you'll also need to supply your own power supply on switch since the miner won't do it itself, apparently.

You use the on/off button on the PSU and attach one of these to the ATX plug, they are $1-$2 on ebay or make yourself

http://s11.postimg.org/xtjtc2x8z/atx.jpg

Cut a small metal paper clip in half ... 2c ?

Only if you get the deluxe model! More like .2c...

[HeRetiK]

I heard some stuff about Intel releasing 14nm tech a while back and if things keep on as they have done lately I'd not bet against them coming to a rig near you soon...

Bitcoin market cap: ~1.5 Billion USD
Intel market cap: ~110 Billion USD

I think Bitcoin still has a long way to go to become interesting for the likes of Intel. And should that day ever come their 14nm tech is going to be the least of my worries

the $17 million that HashFast and Cointerra have (supposedly) made in pre-orders isn't nothing. Intel makes lots of chips, not just desktop CPUs but lots of ASICs as well.

Back when SSDs were starting to get popular Intel came out with their own, and it performed way better then anything else on the market - not because the flash memory was any better, but because the ASIC they used to interface the flash to SATA was so much better. Other drives were fast for the most part, but would randomly lag under typical desktop usage (where tons of little files, like dlls and registry keys need to be read and written too constantly)

Turns out, Intel looked at the available controllers, decided they all sucked, and just made their own. Now that SSD controllers are a lot better, Intel doesn't make them any more.

Of course, I doubt that little asic was made at their smallest process node. And from what I understand development costs go up significantly the smaller you go.  However my guess is that for Intel those costs might not be as high, since they'll likely have all the software, test equipment, and so on available right away.

And, of course, they have their own fabs. Which means that, not only do they not need to deal with third party companies to interface with the fabs, as most bitcoin ASIC people have had to do, access to things like spots on multi-project wafers should be easy to get, even on short notice. 

It would depend on what kind of resources they want to spend on it - but given the time sensitive nature Intel could do things like kick existing slots off of wafer runs to get test chips and so on.

Difference being, SSDs were upcoming consumer grade hardware, while specialized Bitcoin mining rigs are still more of a fringe phenomena in a highly speculative market.

It was definitely in Intel's interest to push / improve the PC market, while Bitcoin ASICs might not fit as well in their agenda.

However the market cap argument doesn't hold up entirely, I'll give you that.

Either way, I doubt that Intel will enter the mining rig market before Bitcoin's mainstream adoption significantly improves. It's an interesting thought though.

[kano]

I imagine we'd be up to Bitcoin V3 or V4 before Intel would get interested.
Current Bitcoin couldn't scale anywhere near the size required.

[timmmers]

I heard some stuff about Intel releasing 14nm tech a while back and if things keep on as they have done lately I'd not bet against them coming to a rig near you soon...

Bitcoin market cap: ~1.5 Billion USD
Intel market cap: ~110 Billion USD

I think Bitcoin still has a long way to go to become interesting for the likes of Intel. And should that day ever come their 14nm tech is going to be the least of my worries

the $17 million that HashFast and Cointerra have (supposedly) made in pre-orders isn't nothing. Intel makes lots of chips, not just desktop CPUs but lots of ASICs as well.

Back when SSDs were starting to get popular Intel came out with their own, and it performed way better then anything else on the market - not because the flash memory was any better, but because the ASIC they used to interface the flash to SATA was so much better. Other drives were fast for the most part, but would randomly lag under typical desktop usage (where tons of little files, like dlls and registry keys need to be read and written too constantly)

Turns out, Intel looked at the available controllers, decided they all sucked, and just made their own. Now that SSD controllers are a lot better, Intel doesn't make them any more.

Of course, I doubt that little asic was made at their smallest process node. And from what I understand development costs go up significantly the smaller you go.  However my guess is that for Intel those costs might not be as high, since they'll likely have all the software, test equipment, and so on available right away.

And, of course, they have their own fabs. Which means that, not only do they not need to deal with third party companies to interface with the fabs, as most bitcoin ASIC people have had to do, access to things like spots on multi-project wafers should be easy to get, even on short notice. 

It would depend on what kind of resources they want to spend on it - but given the time sensitive nature Intel could do things like kick existing slots off of wafer runs to get test chips and so on.

Difference being, SSDs were upcoming consumer grade hardware, while specialized Bitcoin mining rigs are still more of a fringe phenomena in a highly speculative market.

It was definitely in Intel's interest to push / improve the PC market, while Bitcoin ASICs might not fit as well in their agenda.

However the market cap argument doesn't hold up entirely, I'll give you that.

Either way, I doubt that Intel will enter the mining rig market before Bitcoin's mainstream adoption significantly improves. It's an interesting thought though.

Missed the point there. I didn't think Intel were interested in ASICs, but ASIC peeps will definitely be interested in 14nm and sooner rather than later they'll appear....and off we'll all go again. Also, it's happened before that guys from these huge corporations involved in the ASIC development have jumped ship into mining manufacturing companies.

If and when this happens and 14nm is the new kid in town...up goes that network hashrate again in a big way.

[gmaxwell]

Cut a small metal paper clip in half ... 2c ?

I always used the 'insulated' metallic twist tie that comes with the power cords. Thats what thats for, right?

[Cablez]

If they sell chips alone only, it could be done...

Well, the joke is you still have to supply your own PSU. And not only that, you'll also need to supply your own power supply on switch since the miner won't do it itself, apparently.

Oh please for the love of all that is holy just don't!!!  The alternative:

[dwdoc]

This from KnC forum:


vfxminer commented
13th September 2013, 07:29 AM
I spoke to kncminer yesterday. The chips are in the final stages of production in taiwan. soon as they are ready they will be flown over in the next couple of weeks ready for production end of September. This month cannot go fast enough for me. ..

http://forum.kncminer.com/forum/main-category/hardware/712-expected-delivery-of-asic-chips/page2
 

[ImI]

This from KnC forum:


vfxminer commented
13th September 2013, 07:29 AM
I spoke to kncminer yesterday. The chips are in the final stages of production in taiwan. soon as they are ready they will be flown over in the next couple of weeks ready for production end of September. This month cannot go fast enough for me. ..

http://forum.kncminer.com/forum/main-category/hardware/712-expected-delivery-of-asic-chips/page2
 

To be honest that doesnt sound like september delivery to me.

[bbxx]

This from KnC forum:


vfxminer commented
13th September 2013, 07:29 AM
I spoke to kncminer yesterday. The chips are in the final stages of production in taiwan. soon as they are ready they will be flown over in the next couple of weeks ready for production end of September. This month cannot go fast enough for me. ..

http://forum.kncminer.com/forum/main-category/hardware/712-expected-delivery-of-asic-chips/page2
 

To be honest that doesnt sound like september delivery to me.

Come on it is just two weeks...
People paid for jupiters about 100 bitcoins with vat, when network speed was 180TH/s, now 1PH

They will get back around 50% btc in next few months

After knc 1 batch, network will achieve 4PH or more, so people from the end of october will get back 30% or less.

November batch 2 pricing is not profitable at all.