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September 05, 2013, 10:33:21 PM
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Did the CGMiner guys ever get their Knc ASIC so they can develop and test yet?  Or are they only going to get 1 day to do that just like Knc is only going to have 1 day to test and ship all the Sept Orders?      Roll Eyes Kiss Cry Undecided Roll Eyes Cry

Another question answered already. By KnC themselves. Posted on this thread too. Can you read? Or do you just pop by every now and then to stir up some pointless crap?
Oh - did they? Got a link to the post? I missed it.
I'm curious as to what their reply was - they never replied by email.

https://www.kncminer.com/news 

"Secondly with regards to CGminer, and it’s opensource protocol we’ve been able to configure our device unassisted and made a greater than 30% performance increase using the underlying code, for which we would like to thank both kano and ckolivas with their outstanding contribution to the community."

Rude of them not to reply to you I think, although they do thank you in that update.
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September 05, 2013, 10:34:14 PM
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Interesting..  Kano they even thanked your for the help you did not know you gave them....

LMFAO....

They thank him for the code he provided as opensource and they were able to modify it without Kanos assistance, as stated within that link.

With that said, I still hope they compensate Kano somehow.

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September 05, 2013, 10:36:28 PM
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Did the CGMiner guys ever get their Knc ASIC so they can develop and test yet?  Or are they only going to get 1 day to do that just like Knc is only going to have 1 day to test and ship all the Sept Orders?      Roll Eyes Kiss Cry Undecided Roll Eyes Cry

Another question answered already. By KnC themselves. Posted on this thread too. Can you read? Or do you just pop by every now and then to stir up some pointless crap?
Oh - did they? Got a link to the post? I missed it.
I'm curious as to what their reply was - they never replied by email.

https://www.kncminer.com/news/news-32

Interesting..  Kano they even thanked your for the help you did not know you gave them....

LMFAO....
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September 05, 2013, 10:36:56 PM
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C'mon man currencies fluctuate, you know that, and the fact Bitcoin is an emerging currency means that inherent risk is omnipresent until mainstream acceptance and regularatory outlines are more concrete. People need to acknowledge that and factor that into their own risk tolerance, wear big boy pants and assume responsibility for their own actions, no one is forcing them to spend coins, it' not the company's fault, or problem, it's' their own decision to make and standby. If BTC dropped, they sure as hell wouldn't want the coins back, it's a two way street and peeps need to grow a pair.

..or use their heads and pay in flat which varies very little and removes that problem as a few others. Is there any benefit in paying for a pre-order miner in BTC at all? No protection, massive swings in exchange rates...two of the reasons it's hardly used mainstream never mind on stuff like this.

Why do we mine for Bitcoin again?  Can someone remind me please?  Because the above post makes it sound quite worthless!  Lol.

If most people are honest..the answer to that is also the reason not to use it to pay for rigs...because we hope they will in time rise in value.
Some people do it from altruism and to bring about a new world order. lmao.
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September 05, 2013, 10:44:36 PM
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Did the CGMiner guys ever get their Knc ASIC so they can develop and test yet?  Or are they only going to get 1 day to do that just like Knc is only going to have 1 day to test and ship all the Sept Orders?      Roll Eyes Kiss Cry Undecided Roll Eyes Cry

Another question answered already. By KnC themselves. Posted on this thread too. Can you read? Or do you just pop by every now and then to stir up some pointless crap?
Oh - did they? Got a link to the post? I missed it.
I'm curious as to what their reply was - they never replied by email.

https://www.kncminer.com/news/news-32

Interesting..  Kano they even thanked your for the help you did not know you gave them....

LMFAO....
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Ooh they thanked me too! I feel all warm and fuzzy.

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September 05, 2013, 10:49:31 PM
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Kano and cklovis... hopefully Jupiters #1 and #2 will be on your doorstep soon  Cheesy
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September 05, 2013, 11:17:23 PM
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I peek at the KnCminer portal being designed:

http://forum.kncminer.com/filedata/fetch?photoid=146&type=thumb
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September 05, 2013, 11:18:06 PM
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Kano and cklovis... hopefully Jupiters #1 and #2 will be on your doorstep soon  Cheesy
No, read between the lines Smiley
Their comment was "stuff you we aren't doing what we contacted you about at the start and told you we would do - we'll save a ... small amount of money not having to send out some hardware ... yay we got off that scott free"
I'm not surprised.
Maybe in my case they never liked the fact that their "In a few months" and "Summer" of their first post seemed rather shifty to me and I made comment about that ... Tongue

Anyway look on the bright side: you "may" all get your devices a few months earlier coz they didn't have to write a miner and got to use the code base of the best one ... though no idea what old version of it they will be using. I wonder if I'll have another "Where's the source code" thread Smiley

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September 06, 2013, 12:40:53 AM
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There's actually zero risk so long as they stick by their refund policy, and I'm sure at this point they've made way more then enough money to refund every single person who orders for November delivery.  So I don't see much risk.
Then you're just not looking very hard.

Refunds would cause customers to experience exchange losses. Someone who paid 39 Bitcoins for a Saturn two months ago would at most get 32 Bitcoins back, a loss of over $800.

But more importantly, if something gains value and then loses that value, you cannot argue that nobody was harmed. There can be people who bought in the middle, at the inflated price, who now are stuck with much less than they paid. Pro-orders have gained value. Someone who bought the right to a Saturn ordered two months ago for 45 Bitcoins today (which is reasonable) would be out the value of the expected profits that he had paid for, getting 32 Bitcoins back for the 45 Bitcoins he spent.

Loss of future expected value *is* a real present loss because expected values can be sold, traded, borrowed against, and so on. Of course part of the nature of future expected values is that they're accompanied by risk -- lots of risk. Everyone who has a pre-order has future expected value at risk.


C'mon man currencies fluctuate, you know that, and the fact Bitcoin is an emerging currency means that inherent risk is omnipresent until mainstream acceptance and regularatory outlines are more concrete. People need to acknowledge that and factor that into their own risk tolerance, wear big boy pants and assume responsibility for their own actions, no one is forcing them to spend coins, it' not the company's fault, or problem, it's' their own decision to make and standby. If BTC dropped, they sure as hell wouldn't want the coins back, it's a two way street and peeps need to grow a pair.
Your response seems out of place based on what Joel said.  As far as I can tell he was only responding to the statement that there is no risk.  He's correct that there is risk, however I don't see any judgments about those risks in his post at all.  I don't think his message had anything to do with what he thinks you should or should not do.  Only that risk exists.  You can leave the "big boy pants" posts to others I think.
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September 06, 2013, 04:22:14 AM
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Kano and cklovis... hopefully Jupiters #1 and #2 will be on your doorstep soon  Cheesy
No, read between the lines Smiley
Their comment was "stuff you we aren't doing what we contacted you about at the start and told you we would do - we'll save a ... small amount of money not having to send out some hardware ... yay we got off that scott free"
I'm not surprised.
Maybe in my case they never liked the fact that their "In a few months" and "Summer" of their first post seemed rather shifty to me and I made comment about that ... Tongue

Anyway look on the bright side: you "may" all get your devices a few months earlier coz they didn't have to write a miner and got to use the code base of the best one ... though no idea what old version of it they will be using. I wonder if I'll have another "Where's the source code" thread Smiley

Strange, wonder if they would have seen that 30% increase if they had let you do it?
I guess that means the hash rate on them with be 30% better? Smiley

If they are referring to the code itself, well ckolivas made major head roads into CPU usage ... maybe they just copied ... some ... of his >30% changes Tongue

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September 06, 2013, 04:30:45 AM
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There's actually zero risk so long as they stick by their refund policy, and I'm sure at this point they've made way more then enough money to refund every single person who orders for November delivery.  So I don't see much risk.
Then you're just not looking very hard.

Refunds would cause customers to experience exchange losses. Someone who paid 39 Bitcoins for a Saturn two months ago would at most get 32 Bitcoins back, a loss of over $800.

But more importantly, if something gains value and then loses that value, you cannot argue that nobody was harmed. There can be people who bought in the middle, at the inflated price, who now are stuck with much less than they paid. Pro-orders have gained value. Someone who bought the right to a Saturn ordered two months ago for 45 Bitcoins today (which is reasonable) would be out the value of the expected profits that he had paid for, getting 32 Bitcoins back for the 45 Bitcoins he spent.

Loss of future expected value *is* a real present loss because expected values can be sold, traded, borrowed against, and so on. Of course part of the nature of future expected values is that they're accompanied by risk -- lots of risk. Everyone who has a pre-order has future expected value at risk.


C'mon man currencies fluctuate, you know that, and the fact Bitcoin is an emerging currency means that inherent risk is omnipresent until mainstream acceptance and regularatory outlines are more concrete. People need to acknowledge that and factor that into their own risk tolerance, wear big boy pants and assume responsibility for their own actions, no one is forcing them to spend coins, it' not the company's fault, or problem, it's' their own decision to make and standby. If BTC dropped, they sure as hell wouldn't want the coins back, it's a two way street and peeps need to grow a pair.
Your response seems out of place based on what Joel said.  As far as I can tell he was only responding to the statement that there is no risk.  He's correct that there is risk, however I don't see any judgments about those risks in his post at all.  I don't think his message had anything to do with what he thinks you should or should not do.  Only that risk exists.  You can leave the "big boy pants" posts to others I think.

Well that is correct in that there are exchange rate risks.  That's obviously something that BFL customers got completely screwed over by.

However, the price of bitcoin has been all over the place since KnC started taking orders.  You could have ordered when btc was $120 and asked for a refund when btc was $90.

There's no risk if you purchase with USD, I should say.

Otherwise there's currency risk just buying the machine in a non-pre-order fashion, you could order and see the price of bitcoin shoot up 20% while you're waiting for delivery.

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September 06, 2013, 06:03:44 AM
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Kano and cklovis... hopefully Jupiters #1 and #2 will be on your doorstep soon  Cheesy
No, read between the lines Smiley
Their comment was "stuff you we aren't doing what we contacted you about at the start and told you we would do - we'll save a ... small amount of money not having to send out some hardware ... yay we got off that scott free"
I'm not surprised.
Maybe in my case they never liked the fact that their "In a few months" and "Summer" of their first post seemed rather shifty to me and I made comment about that ... Tongue

Anyway look on the bright side: you "may" all get your devices a few months earlier coz they didn't have to write a miner and got to use the code base of the best one ... though no idea what old version of it they will be using. I wonder if I'll have another "Where's the source code" thread Smiley

I was being facetious.  You fellas should be getting a free Jupiter for all of your hard work!
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September 06, 2013, 06:15:20 AM
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There's no risk if you purchase with USD, I should say.

Of course there's risk. There's the lost opportunity cost associated with buying mining equipment that will return less BTC than you'd have if you'd simply exchanged the fiat for BTC directly.

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Otherwise there's currency risk just buying the machine in a non-pre-order fashion, you could order and see the price of bitcoin shoot up 20% while you're waiting for delivery.

The same is true of a pre-order and the more time that elapses between placing the order and finally having it delivered the more likely this scenario is to come to pass.

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September 06, 2013, 06:16:06 AM
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Just seen the videos on youtube of one of the machines hashing. Looks good.  anyone known if its a usb plug n play or resp pi etc?
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September 06, 2013, 06:33:32 AM
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There's actually zero risk so long as they stick by their refund policy, and I'm sure at this point they've made way more then enough money to refund every single person who orders for November delivery.  So I don't see much risk.
Then you're just not looking very hard.

Refunds would cause customers to experience exchange losses. Someone who paid 39 Bitcoins for a Saturn two months ago would at most get 32 Bitcoins back, a loss of over $800.

But more importantly, if something gains value and then loses that value, you cannot argue that nobody was harmed. There can be people who bought in the middle, at the inflated price, who now are stuck with much less than they paid. Pro-orders have gained value. Someone who bought the right to a Saturn ordered two months ago for 45 Bitcoins today (which is reasonable) would be out the value of the expected profits that he had paid for, getting 32 Bitcoins back for the 45 Bitcoins he spent.

Loss of future expected value *is* a real present loss because expected values can be sold, traded, borrowed against, and so on. Of course part of the nature of future expected values is that they're accompanied by risk -- lots of risk. Everyone who has a pre-order has future expected value at risk.


C'mon man currencies fluctuate, you know that, and the fact Bitcoin is an emerging currency means that inherent risk is omnipresent until mainstream acceptance and regularatory outlines are more concrete. People need to acknowledge that and factor that into their own risk tolerance, wear big boy pants and assume responsibility for their own actions, no one is forcing them to spend coins, it' not the company's fault, or problem, it's' their own decision to make and standby. If BTC dropped, they sure as hell wouldn't want the coins back, it's a two way street and peeps need to grow a pair.
Your response seems out of place based on what Joel said.  As far as I can tell he was only responding to the statement that there is no risk.  He's correct that there is risk, however I don't see any judgments about those risks in his post at all.  I don't think his message had anything to do with what he thinks you should or should not do.  Only that risk exists.  You can leave the "big boy pants" posts to others I think.

Well that is correct in that there are exchange rate risks.  That's obviously something that BFL customers got completely screwed over by.

However, the price of bitcoin has been all over the place since KnC started taking orders.  You could have ordered when btc was $120 and asked for a refund when btc was $90.

There's no risk if you purchase with USD, I should say.

Otherwise there's currency risk just buying the machine in a non-pre-order fashion, you could order and see the price of bitcoin shoot up 20% while you're waiting for delivery.

Right but the fact that the price has gone up and down does nothing to refute the statement that risk does exist which was the only message being delivered.  I'm not saying the risk isn't worth it or that it can't work out well for the investor.  In a non-pre-order fashion order the risk still exists but your exposure to the risk is diminished greatly.  Also holding BTC vs using it to buy a miner is roughly equivalent to the decision between buying BTC or using the USD to buy a miner, the risk still exists.
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September 06, 2013, 06:43:57 AM
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Just seen the videos on youtube of one of the machines hashing. Looks good.  anyone known if its a usb plug n play or resp pi etc?

What machines hashing?
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September 06, 2013, 06:50:29 AM
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Just seen the videos on youtube of one of the machines hashing. Looks good.  anyone known if its a usb plug n play or resp pi etc?

What machines hashing?

It was a video from the open day of knc. bitcoinorama put it up i believe.
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September 06, 2013, 06:50:57 AM
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What machines hashing?

Probably the prototype FPGA...

Oh and by the way, it's a standalone (linux) not usb plug and play.
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September 06, 2013, 07:58:43 AM
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I just shot KNC an email, but I figure I might as well pose this here as well. KNC is offering to pre-configure our miners, right? I suspect that each miner will go through a burn-in test of some sort, like most computers do (or at least used too). Is KNC going to do the burn-in using the pool-of-choice, that you've entered on their website, or are they going to make a few BTC by using their own internal pool and pay directly to the wallet they've also asked for on the config page?

I would prefer they use my chosen pool, not their internal pool. But that's just me.
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September 06, 2013, 08:00:30 AM
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What machines hashing?

Probably the prototype FPGA...

Oh and by the way, it's a standalone (linux) not usb plug and play.

Ok thanks,  so does that mean it has a built in linux distro?
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