Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com

[CYPER]

ASIC miners are not "consumer products".  They are cutting edge bitcoin mining hardware.  When I start seeing them on display at Target, that's when we can start demanding properly working devices, lol.

Btw, do you have any other ASIC miners?  They all have their quirks and often require babysitting.  Although I do have to say that my ASICMiner Blades and BFL Singles pretty much hash away with very little attention.

I don't know what god forbidden outlawed country you live in, but here in Europe we have consumer and business laws and according to these one is fully entitled to expect a properly working device regardless of the price paid.

I don't find it normal to fix a product that I paid 5K for.

[xstr8guy]

ASIC miners are not "consumer products".  They are cutting edge bitcoin mining hardware.  When I start seeing them on display at Target, that's when we can start demanding properly working devices, lol.

Btw, do you have any other ASIC miners?  They all have their quirks and often require babysitting.  Although I do have to say that my ASICMiner Blades and BFL Singles pretty much hash away with very little attention.

I don't know what god forbidden outlawed country you live in, but here in Europe we have consumer and business laws and according to these one is fully entitled to expect a properly working device regardless of the price paid.

I don't find it normal to fix a product that I paid 5K for.

Ugh! Do I not explain myself well?  Of course it's not ok that ASIC miners sometimes don't work properly and we should have some recourse when they malfunction.

But... now here's the point... these aren't the same as an Xbox or a Blu-Ray players (do they still make those?  Lol).  They simply are not a standard consumer electronic device.  We are all in a mad rush and we demand them from the manufactures before they can even sort out their testing, assembly, shipping, customer support, etc.  There is just no way around it, we are going get some janky crap once in awhile.  And much of the time, we are left to sort it out for ourselves for whatever reason.  Involving governmental agencies and/or attorneys just isn't practical for most of us.  So we just take it.

No, it's not the way it should be.  But it is our reality.  So if someone doesn't have the stomach for it, they are welcome to sit and watch our reindeer games from the sidelines.

[Beans]

One of my unit appears to be corrupted and I can't ssh into it. Is there anyway to flash one? I thought these uses micro sd cards but I don't see one.

Ensure you have "Enable SSH" selected in the web interface - sometimes it unticks itself when you flash or reset things.

Otherwise, microsd goes in the slot on the top of the beaglebone.

Scroll down to the post by Araaf, contains all the details on how to work via microsd and a link to image of 0.95 build. I have this on a microsd and have used it several times.
http://forum.kncminer.com/forum/main-category/hardware/10074-erm-1gh-s/page2

You just need the first couple of steps.

I can't get to the web interface.

Is there copy of the image that works on the November units?

[DPoS]

Man it gets frigging tiresome reading through 10 pages of bitchiness all the time. Although if I had bad hardware and didn't get proper support I'd be bitching myself.

The big issue is all these miners are basically defective. You are suppose to receive your rig. Plug an ample ATX PSU to it and then configure it via the internal website. Nothing in the manual says to remove the cover and add fans or change anything around. You SHOULD NOT have to open it up, add fans, wires, plugs, adapters, thermal grease, vibrators, drill more holes, re-connect wires, change wires, NOTHING. It wasn't designed well, can't cool itself properly and some times needs more attention then my girlfriend. I constantly have to keep removing the top and putting it back on to control the temps. When I first bought one of the first bluray DVD players that I paid a fortune for I didn't have to open it up and add cooling fans to it and change the design around to make it run the way it should. I just plugged it in and it worked. That's what EVERY KNC miner "should" be like. You plug it in and it works. If it doesn't work properly by plugging it in and configuring the pool, then it should be considered defective.

Just imagine if KNC used those warranty seal stickers on their rigs. If you open up the top you would be forced to break that seal and then you void warranty instantly. We would all be in big trouble if that was the case.

I guess I'm just contributing to the BS drama I have to read every day between a few people here, and it gets real tiring. I'm a little upset also that BTC price is at $700, since I was a little spoiled when it stayed around $1000. I'm not a BTC hoarder or trader. I just sell what I make and that's it. I guess most people hoard their coin, maybe which I should do once in a while but whatever I sell is money I didn't have to begin with. And when people say they stayed up all night trading, what does that mean? Isn't it pretty simple, you buy when it is low and sell when high? Or are they buying/selling at real high speeds or something? I'm not a stock market person so it is hard for my small brain to comprehend.

hilarious  +1

[Biomech]

ASIC miners are not "consumer products".  They are cutting edge bitcoin mining hardware.  When I start seeing them on display at Target, that's when we can start demanding properly working devices, lol.

Btw, do you have any other ASIC miners?  They all have their quirks and often require babysitting.  Although I do have to say that my ASICMiner Blades and BFL Singles pretty much hash away with very little attention.

I don't know what god forbidden outlawed country you live in, but here in Europe we have consumer and business laws and according to these one is fully entitled to expect a properly working device regardless of the price paid.

I don't find it normal to fix a product that I paid 5K for.

Ugh! Do I not explain myself well?  Of course it's not ok that ASIC miners sometimes don't work properly and we should have some recourse when they malfunction.

But... now here's the point... these aren't the same as an Xbox or a Blu-Ray players (do they still make those?  Lol).  They simply are not a standard consumer electronic device.  We are all in a mad rush and we demand them from the manufactures before they can even sort out their testing, assembly, shipping, customer support, etc.  There is just no way around it, we are going get some janky crap once in awhile.  And much of the time, we are left to sort it out for ourselves for whatever reason.  Involving governmental agencies and/or attorneys just isn't practical for most of us.  So we just take it.

No, it's not the way it should be.  But it is our reality.  So if someone doesn't have the stomach for it, they are welcome to sit and watch our reindeer games from the sidelines.

This.

I grew up during the beginning of the computer revolution. By comparison, from my observations, the KNC devices are free of defect. The early "consumer" computers did not function without tinkering. My first computer was an IMSAI Altair. I still have fond memories of that machine, even though my watch has a much more powerful processor now. But it was not "plug it in and it works". You had to have quite a bit of knowledge JUST to plug it in! And then you had to get it to talk to a terminal (Televideo 101 in my case). Then, if you wanted to retain any of your data, you had to either build a floppy disk controller or a tape deck controller on an S-100 template (or spend a few hundred 1974 dollars to have someone do it) by hand, build a cable to interface with the damn thing, and hope it worked. THEN you had to code in a bootstrap routine (again, by hand, often by punch card in those days, though I used the terminal). From there you could program in such cool things as terminal emulation, or get a C/PM OS which had it built in (but not the basic bootstrap, that had to be hand coded) and connect up to your high speed 140 baud modem.

It was a great time, despite how it sounds now. My ONLY problem with these highly experimental ASIC devices is that I couldn't raise the money to get one. If I had, I'd be having a blast tweaking it.

Let's face it, Bitcoin is in itself a grand experiment. It's as fraught with danger of failure as early computers. When I was a kid, mos people thought that computers were strange, and never would amount to anything. Now everyone has one and we live in a wired world. Bitcoin is where computers were in the early '70s. If it succeeds, yeah, there will be properly tested machines at walmart. But that time is in the future. Those of you who got in on it now are the vanguard. It may end in failure and ashes, but it might blow up the way computers did. Either way, you'll have one hell of a story to tell your kids. They won't believe you, just like my son don't believe there was a time without the internet or personal computers or CD's...

But you will know. And you'll remember the tribulations of the early days in a way different light than the current frustration. IBM, Intel and Microsoft didn't change the world, they just provided the tools. WE changed the world.

[sbfree]

just wanted to say that my kncminer Saturn now a grown up Jupiter has found its second block....funny, in my time mining have dug up about close to 50btc, which is what 2 blocks currently pay if you solo mine although solo mining most likely would have not led to those 2 blocks being found....

anyway...back to the arguments at hand......

[sbfree]

well the apply warmer temps theory i believe first mentioned by the now not mining but just waiting w/ phat cash wallet phoenix69 continues w/ merit....

my jupiter is at 604GH/s on btc guild....the weak chip is at 51 degrees while the others are in high 60's.....

ps, mine is first batch

[sbfree]

so avenger, when fans arrive off from units....that might be part of the plan

[DPoS]

I like the look of those new vrm's

me too, I notice 8 each eh?  hmmmmm 

[RickJamesBTC]

I really think the metal shields inside the unit need to go. The beagleboard shouldn't get hot at all, I've run those things stuffed into little plastic enclosures in my car dashboard and never had one overheat. The shield in the back makes even less sense. Cyper, any update on what you are doing to manage temps?

[Bitcoinorama]

Cyper, I don't think blowing across the unit will make a big difference if you close the case. Right now you are bringing fresh air onto that board. Why don't you just strap that fan onto the heatsink on the open side working with the other fan, or switch the location of that board to one of the front slots where they get cold air from the big fans on the front. Otherwise, you could always cut a big hole on the side of the case and mount it properly.

Avenger, I didn't notice you set me straight, all I saw was some lame ad-hominem attack from a sad little boy and didn't need to respond to it. From reading your posts i honestly pity you, it must be hard to live your angry life... You probably need to go outside more, get some fresh air and sunlight.

Bitcoinorama! Good to see you again. Any idea when tuning software will arrive for November units?

No idea. I'm in the US currently. Literally just touched down in SF after a few days in NYC en route to the Vegas conference. I do know that later firmware a will have a more intelligent code that detects which device you have.

Also there will be more upgrade boards at some point. The controller boards are essentially the same albeit firmware, but you need 4x Nov boards to run a Nov box, otherwise an Oct will be detected and limited.

[RickJamesBTC]

Cyper, I don't think blowing across the unit will make a big difference if you close the case. Right now you are bringing fresh air onto that board. Why don't you just strap that fan onto the heatsink on the open side working with the other fan, or switch the location of that board to one of the front slots where they get cold air from the big fans on the front. Otherwise, you could always cut a big hole on the side of the case and mount it properly.

Avenger, I didn't notice you set me straight, all I saw was some lame ad-hominem attack from a sad little boy and didn't need to respond to it. From reading your posts i honestly pity you, it must be hard to live your angry life... You probably need to go outside more, get some fresh air and sunlight.

Bitcoinorama! Good to see you again. Any idea when tuning software will arrive for November units?

No idea. I'm in the US currently. Literally just touched down in SF after a few days in NYC en route to the Vegas conference. I do know that later firmware a will have a more intelligent code that detects which device you have.

Also there will be more upgrade boards at some point. The controller boards are essentially the same albeit firmware, but you need 4x Nov boards to run a Nov box, otherwise an Oct will be detected and limited.

Damn, I should fly down to vegas to this conference! Too much going on right now  
Can you explain the upgrade boards? November units don't have headers for extra modules, could they be soldered in and connected to make nice overpowered ones again? If someone with an october jupiter got 4 november modules, they could flash to november software and run faster, but what of the october asics? Would this be a replacement use only? How many total ASICs can one of the controller boards run ?

[chases]

I absolutely agree with CYPER and Pete, I have known and have been doing business with  pheonix1969 for 9 years  and have yet to be disappointed, 5 stars two thumbs up all the way! perfect transactions.fast payments, super fast and well packaged shipping.we need more folks like this in our network of online traders.

[jelin1984]

question

can at eligius pool

put diff at worker
or not?

[Biffa]

Can someone please post the part below from a november unit? It's located in /etc/init.d/cgminer.sh
Thanks

Heres the whole thing:

Code:

#!/bin/sh

PATH=/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin
DAEMON=/usr/bin/cgminer
NAME=cgminer
DESC="Cgminer daemon"

set -e

test -x "$DAEMON" || exit 0

do_start() {
	# Stop SPI poller
	spi_ena=0
	i2cset -y 2 0x71 2 $spi_ena

	good_ports=""
	bad_ports=""

	# CLear faults in megadlynx's
	for b in 3 4 5 6 7 8 ; do
		for d in 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 ; do
			i2cset -y $b 0x1$d 3 >/dev/null 2>&1 || true
		done
	done

	for p in 0 1 2 3 4 5 ; do
		i2cset -y 2 0x71 1 $((p+1))
		good_flag=0
		ar="$(spi-test -s 50000 -OHC -D /dev/spidev1.0 0x80,3,0,0,0,0,0,0 | tail -c 13)"
                if [ "x$ar" = "x00 30 A0 01" ] ; then
			good_flag=1
		fi
		ar="$(spi-test -s 50000 -OHC -D /dev/spidev1.0 0x80,2,0,0,0,0,0,0 | tail -c 13)"
                if [ "x$ar" = "x00 30 A0 01" ] ; then
			good_flag=1
		fi
		ar="$(spi-test -s 50000 -OHC -D /dev/spidev1.0 0x80,1,0,0,0,0,0,0 | tail -c 13)"
                if [ "x$ar" = "x00 30 A0 01" ] ; then
			good_flag=1
		fi
		ar="$(spi-test -s 50000 -OHC -D /dev/spidev1.0 0x80,0,0,0,0,0,0,0 | tail -c 13)"
                if [ "x$ar" = "x00 30 A0 01" ] ; then
			good_flag=1
		fi

		if [ "$good_flag" = "1" ] ; then
			good_ports=$good_ports" $p"
		else
			bad_ports=$bad_ports" $p"
		fi
	done

	if [ -n "$good_ports" ] ; then
		for p in $good_ports ; do
			# re-enable all cores
			i=0
			while [[ $i -lt 192 ]] ; do
				i2cset -y 2 0x2$p $i 1
				i=$((i+1))
			done
			spi_ena=$(( spi_ena | (1 << $p) ))
		done
	fi
	if [ -n "$bad_ports" ] ; then
		for p in $bad_ports ; do
			# disable all cores
			i=0
			while [[ $i -lt 192 ]] ; do
				i2cset -y 2 0x2$p $i 0
				i=$((i+1))
			done
			spi_ena=$(( spi_ena & ~(1 << $p) ))
		done
	fi

	# Disable direct SPI
	i2cset -y 2 0x71 1 0

	# Enable SPI poller
	i2cset -y 2 0x71 2 $spi_ena

	MINING_SW=`ls -l /usr/bin/cgminer`
	if [ "`echo $MINING_SW | grep bfgminer`" != "" ] ; then
		export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/bfgminer/
		start-stop-daemon -b -S -x screen -- -S cgminer -t cgminer -m -d "$DAEMON" --api-listen -c /config/cgminer.conf -S knc:auto
	else
		start-stop-daemon -b -S -x screen -- -S cgminer -t cgminer -m -d "$DAEMON" --api-listen --default-config /config/cgminer.conf
	fi
}

do_stop() {
        killall -9 cgminer || true
}
case "$1" in
  start)
        echo -n "Starting $DESC: "
	do_start
        echo "$NAME."
        ;;
  stop)
        echo -n "Stopping $DESC: "
	do_stop
        echo "$NAME."
        ;;
  restart|force-reload)
        echo -n "Restarting $DESC: "
        do_stop
        do_start
        echo "$NAME."
        ;;
  *)
        N=/etc/init.d/$NAME
        echo "Usage: $N {start|stop|restart|force-reload}" >&2
        exit 1
        ;;
esac

exit 0

[Biffa]

question

can at eligius pool

put diff at worker
or not?

Its set automatically by the pool

[jelin1984]

ok also if have more than one miner

is better to put all the miner at same btc adress
or but for every miner different adress?

[Basil]

This.

I grew up during the beginning of the computer revolution. By comparison, from my observations, the KNC devices are free of defect. The early "consumer" computers did not function without tinkering. My first computer was an IMSAI Altair. I still have fond memories of that machine, even though my watch has a much more powerful processor now. But it was not "plug it in and it works". You had to have quite a bit of knowledge JUST to plug it in! And then you had to get it to talk to a terminal (Televideo 101 in my case). Then, if you wanted to retain any of your data, you had to either build a floppy disk controller or a tape deck controller on an S-100 template (or spend a few hundred 1974 dollars to have someone do it) by hand, build a cable to interface with the damn thing, and hope it worked. THEN you had to code in a bootstrap routine (again, by hand, often by punch card in those days, though I used the terminal). From there you could program in such cool things as terminal emulation, or get a C/PM OS which had it built in (but not the basic bootstrap, that had to be hand coded) and connect up to your high speed 140 baud modem.

It was a great time, despite how it sounds now. My ONLY problem with these highly experimental ASIC devices is that I couldn't raise the money to get one. If I had, I'd be having a blast tweaking it.

Let's face it, Bitcoin is in itself a grand experiment. It's as fraught with danger of failure as early computers. When I was a kid, mos people thought that computers were strange, and never would amount to anything. Now everyone has one and we live in a wired world. Bitcoin is where computers were in the early '70s. If it succeeds, yeah, there will be properly tested machines at walmart. But that time is in the future. Those of you who got in on it now are the vanguard. It may end in failure and ashes, but it might blow up the way computers did. Either way, you'll have one hell of a story to tell your kids. They won't believe you, just like my son don't believe there was a time without the internet or personal computers or CD's...

But you will know. And you'll remember the tribulations of the early days in a way different light than the current frustration. IBM, Intel and Microsoft didn't change the world, they just provided the tools. WE changed the world.

Great words Biomech !  I sent two of my friends your post. Very inspiring and gives awareness where we are. It's like a hippie or harley. Thank you!

[CYPER]

I really think the metal shields inside the unit need to go. The beagleboard shouldn't get hot at all, I've run those things stuffed into little plastic enclosures in my car dashboard and never had one overheat. The shield in the back makes even less sense. Cyper, any update on what you are doing to manage temps?

Miner in between 2 open windows + Open case + side fan.

I'm currently building this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_F83SbHMyg
So when it is ready I will have to move all the units to it and do something about the overheating board.

[lemonte]

I really think the metal shields inside the unit need to go. The beagleboard shouldn't get hot at all, I've run those things stuffed into little plastic enclosures in my car dashboard and never had one overheat. The shield in the back makes even less sense. Cyper, any update on what you are doing to manage temps?

Miner in between 2 open windows + Open case + side fan.

I'm currently building this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_F83SbHMyg
So when it is ready I will have to move all the units to it and do something about the overheating board.

Nice! You should sell these. I for one would buy.