Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion

[Rsiyz]

https://cointelegraph.com/news/john-mcafee-well-screw-up-the-future-but-itll-still-be-better-than-what-we-have-today

   see , bitcoin dont care jmccocaina... he need start training strech to prepare "eat sausage" live on hacked twitter account  
Who will believe overdosed junk , years  druging and drinking..

But who is behind all? cryptos, pumps, whales,bulls...

That who give life sentence to lars U. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silk_Road_(marketplace) becouse us goverment want monopol to drugs trade: for money to wars/proxy wars
Its not secret us pentagon use diplomatic planes from afganistan ... or like use that planes get weapons from bulgaria to isis. also fake chemicall attack ..
Dear my people here, they can stop all cryptos IN MINUTE. if cryptos start/will help Russia and chinese or germany now..EU loosing billions pga sanctions on russia.or independency in cheap energy or
they can stop : iban, visa,mastercard, paypal,western union  and all other werstern companys witch have byznis about  "moving" fiat or coins to fiat.. becouse these companys start years ago with evil-usa jurisdiction
only cryptos coins absolutly independent from usa,eu jurisdic. will have Power to trust.. today nobody trust usa ..
i have account in china or russia,mir card
You just believer ... only weapons is power. like now try new "falling soviet union 2"  - usa "showing power"  ))))   After all.. will win world : 192-8

only new silk roads and other types can increase using coins.. legal? No , nobody will count for buy chew gum 0,00000000065465465654   its stress. not inovation! we need more easy solutions
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKpx_YGL95c&list=UUpwvZwUam-URkxB7g4USKpg   usa is like half death animal when see on own death .. and want kill all around world for own mistakes and war criminal life own nation

[Torque]

Ugh, Theymos gives us "merits" when all I really want is a "demerits" function.

[serveria.com]

https://cointelegraph.com/news/john-mcafee-well-screw-up-the-future-but-itll-still-be-better-than-what-we-have-today

   see , bitcoin dont care jmccocaina... he need start training strech to prepare "eat sausage" live on hacked twitter account  
Who will believe overdosed junk , years  druging and drinking..

But who is behind all? cryptos, pumps, whales,bulls...

That who give life sentence to lars U. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silk_Road_(marketplace) becouse us goverment want monopol to drugs trade: for money to wars/proxy wars
Its not secret us pentagon use diplomatic planes from afganistan ... or like use that planes get weapons from bulgaria to isis. also fake chemicall attack ..
Dear my people here, they can stop all cryptos IN MINUTE. if cryptos start/will help Russia and chinese or germany now..EU loosing billions pga sanctions on russia.or independency in cheap energy or
they can stop : iban, visa,mastercard, paypal,western union  and all other werstern companys witch have byznis about  "moving" fiat or coins to fiat.. becouse these companys start years ago with evil-usa jurisdiction
only cryptos coins absolutly independent from usa,eu jurisdic. will have Power to trust.. today nobody trust usa ..
i have account in china or russia,mir card
You just believer ... only weapons is power. like now try new "falling soviet union 2"  - usa "showing power"  ))))   After all.. will win world : 192-8

only new silk roads and other types can increase using coins.. legal? No , nobody will count for buy chew gum 0,00000000065465465654   its stress. not inovation! we need more easy solutions
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKpx_YGL95c&list=UUpwvZwUam-URkxB7g4USKpg   usa is like half death animal when see on own death .. and want kill all around world for own mistakes and war criminal life own nation

OMG what I have just read? Are you drunk or high?

[realr0ach]

You guys didn't tell me "go to the moon" was code word for a -400c vacuum and instant death.

-400C ? Not sure how I feel about that. But the Laws of Thermodynamics say they feel violated

woops, meant -400F

[realr0ach]

Ugh, Theymos gives us "merits" when all I really want is a "demerits" function.

Torque - lead advocate of unsound digital money.

[Heater]

Doug Polk on Roger Ver

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUO1DvqTpZ8

Anybody got the tl;dw?

Ver is a sociopath. Has been for years...does hes best to screw over bitcoin every chance he gets.
Over 100 LN nodes running now..20% of all nodes now SegWit and growing. Ver is a sociopath.
 

The true flippening will be when LN is bigger than the BCH network - we should set up a countdown website

[conspirosphere.tk]

So I guess there will never be a flippening. No alt will ever surpass Bitcoin. Who knew? /s

The only flippening they can show is this:

[Samarkand]

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The true flippening will be when LN is bigger than the BCH network - we should set up a countdown website

You can already track the progress of the Lightning Network on mainnet:
https://p2sh.info/dashboard/db/lightning-network?orgId=1

Over 3 BTC are already in use in more than 600 open channels.

The linked website also has lots of other interesting statistics as well.

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Torque - lead advocate of unsound digital money.

Tell me one thing on earth that is closer to sound money than Bitcoin
(to give you a tip:  physical Silver is not a correct answer).

[AlexGR]

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The true flippening will be when LN is bigger than the BCH network - we should set up a countdown website

You can already track the progress of the Lightning Network on mainnet:
https://p2sh.info/dashboard/db/lightning-network?orgId=1

Over 3 BTC are already in use in more than 600 open channels.

This deserves a meme: "I don't always beta-test things, but when I do, it's on mainnet"

[mymenace]

https://cointelegraph.com/news/john-mcafee-well-screw-up-the-future-but-itll-still-be-better-than-what-we-have-today

   see , bitcoin dont care jmccocaina... he need start training strech to prepare "eat sausage" live on hacked twitter account  
Who will believe overdosed junk , years  druging and drinking..

But who is behind all? cryptos, pumps, whales,bulls...

That who give life sentence to lars U. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silk_Road_(marketplace) becouse us goverment want monopol to drugs trade: for money to wars/proxy wars
Its not secret us pentagon use diplomatic planes from afganistan ... or like use that planes get weapons from bulgaria to isis. also fake chemicall attack ..
Dear my people here, they can stop all cryptos IN MINUTE. if cryptos start/will help Russia and chinese or germany now..EU loosing billions pga sanctions on russia.or independency in cheap energy or
they can stop : iban, visa,mastercard, paypal,western union  and all other werstern companys witch have byznis about  "moving" fiat or coins to fiat.. becouse these companys start years ago with evil-usa jurisdiction
only cryptos coins absolutly independent from usa,eu jurisdic. will have Power to trust.. today nobody trust usa ..
i have account in china or russia,mir card
You just believer ... only weapons is power. like now try new "falling soviet union 2"  - usa "showing power"  ))))   After all.. will win world : 192-8

only new silk roads and other types can increase using coins.. legal? No , nobody will count for buy chew gum 0,00000000065465465654   its stress. not inovation! we need more easy solutions
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKpx_YGL95c&list=UUpwvZwUam-URkxB7g4USKpg   usa is like half death animal when see on own death .. and want kill all around world for own mistakes and war criminal life own nation

OMG what I have just read? Are you drunk or high?

#ReleaseTheMemo

he is going on about Obama, Hilary, DOJ, FBI colluded together to continue wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, Somalia, etc etc etc

as well Obama funding ISIS and the directly involved in the increase of ISIS across the middle east

interesting ISIS is now dead and called the kurdish democrat party, trying a coup in Iraq


In particular the #ReleaseTheMemo that outlines the creation of the Russian Dossier by the DNC, then approved by the FBI, then prompting Obama to create FISA warrants on a running presidential candidate - effectively spying on the opposition for the opposition in an election

As well outlines the DOJ and FBI role in letting Hillary off the hook for the email scandal

[Samarkand]

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This deserves a meme: "I don't always beta-test things, but when I do, it's on mainnet"

I slightly changed the text of the meme and hope that you like
my creation  

https://i.imgur.com/iXgZrQ7.jpg

[Icygreen]

So my coinbase account is still not working with any browser but works on my phone with 4g or works if I route through a VPN on my computer.  Wonder if TPTB are trying to lock some of us out with IP addresses. Bullish!

[AlexGR]

...

This deserves a meme: "I don't always beta-test things, but when I do, it's on mainnet"

I slightly changed the text of the meme and hope that you like
my creation  

https://i.imgur.com/iXgZrQ7.jpg

[mymenace]

https://cointelegraph.com/news/john-mcafee-well-screw-up-the-future-but-itll-still-be-better-than-what-we-have-today

   see , bitcoin dont care jmccocaina... he need start training strech to prepare "eat sausage" live on hacked twitter account  
Who will believe overdosed junk , years  druging and drinking..

But who is behind all? cryptos, pumps, whales,bulls...

That who give life sentence to lars U. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silk_Road_(marketplace) becouse us goverment want monopol to drugs trade: for money to wars/proxy wars
Its not secret us pentagon use diplomatic planes from afganistan ... or like use that planes get weapons from bulgaria to isis. also fake chemicall attack ..
Dear my people here, they can stop all cryptos IN MINUTE. if cryptos start/will help Russia and chinese or germany now..EU loosing billions pga sanctions on russia.or independency in cheap energy or
they can stop : iban, visa,mastercard, paypal,western union  and all other werstern companys witch have byznis about  "moving" fiat or coins to fiat.. becouse these companys start years ago with evil-usa jurisdiction
only cryptos coins absolutly independent from usa,eu jurisdic. will have Power to trust.. today nobody trust usa ..
i have account in china or russia,mir card
You just believer ... only weapons is power. like now try new "falling soviet union 2"  - usa "showing power"  ))))   After all.. will win world : 192-8

only new silk roads and other types can increase using coins.. legal? No , nobody will count for buy chew gum 0,00000000065465465654   its stress. not inovation! we need more easy solutions
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKpx_YGL95c&list=UUpwvZwUam-URkxB7g4USKpg   usa is like half death animal when see on own death .. and want kill all around world for own mistakes and war criminal life own nation

OMG what I have just read? Are you drunk or high?

#ReleaseTheMemo

he is going on about Obama, Hilary, DOJ, FBI colluded together to continue wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, Somalia, etc etc etc

as well Obama funding ISIS and the directly involved in the increase of ISIS across the middle east

interesting ISIS is now dead and called the kurdish democrat party, trying a coup in Iraq


In particular the #ReleaseTheMemo that outlines the creation of the Russian Dossier by the DNC, then approved by the FBI, then prompting Obama to create FISA warrants on a running presidential candidate - effectively spying on the opposition for the opposition in an election

As well outlines the DOJ and FBI role in letting Hillary off the hook for the email scandal

[Rosewater Foundation]

Whats happening?

Futures day, we can expect continuous price manipulation at futures close as long as we have these bullshit contracts

[TERA2]

Tether bubble

[realr0ach]

Torque - lead advocate of unsound digital money.

Tell me one thing on earth that is closer to sound money than Bitcoin
(to give you a tip:  physical Silver is not a correct answer).

Are you people professional conmen?  Bitcoin is a currency, not money, which is why it's called "cryptocurrency".  It does not have the valid traits required to be money.  By claiming "bitcoin is money", you're also claiming Digibyte, Ripple, "basic attention token", and the 1400 other infinitely increasing scamcoins are "money" as well.  Now do you see how laughable your statement is?

Now some delusional idiot is going to claim "no, only bitcoin can be money but not "basic attention token!".  Lol, says who?  There is no objective traits that make any of these scamcoins different from one another.  They would either ALL have to be "money" or none of them money.  But that's beside the point since none of them qualify as money in the first place.  It's also impossible for any cryptocurrency to have fungibility since the protocols are malleable.  It has to be non-malleable to be fungible.

So yes, silver and gold are money, bitcoin is not.  Bitcoin is just some guy's artificial game you are agreeing to play because he designed it in a way to try and lure you in to a get rich (or poor) quick scheme.  Hmm, after the government talked about trying to force everyone on the planet into a cashless society slave system for years, I wonder who would create a get rich quick scheme to entice people in, premine a huge amount themselves, and then not leverage any of the proceeds to do anything with it because they're already unimagineably rich in the first place?

[TERA2]

[Samarkand]

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Are you people professional conmen?  Bitcoin is a currency, not money, which is why it's called "cryptocurrency".  It does not have the valid traits required to be money.  By claiming "bitcoin is money", you're also claiming Digibyte, Ripple, "basic attention token", and the 1400 other infinitely increasing scamcoins are "money" as well.  Now do you see how laughable your statement is?

Now some delusional idiot is going to claim "no, only bitcoin can be money but not "basic attention token!".  Lol, says who?  There is no objective traits that make any of these scamcoins different from one another.  They would either ALL have to be "money" or none of them money.  But that's beside the point since none of them qualify as money in the first place.  It's also impossible for any cryptocurrency to have fungibility since the protocols are malleable.  It has to be non-malleable to be fungible.

So yes, silver and gold are money, bitcoin is not.  Bitcoin is just some guy's artificial game you are agreeing to play because he designed it in a way to try and lure you in to a get rich (or poor) quick scheme.  Hmm, after the government talked about trying to force everyone on the planet into a cashless society slave system for years, I wonder who would create a get rich quick scheme to entice people in, premine a huge amount themselves, and then not leverage any of the proceeds to do anything with it because they're already unimagineably rich in the first place?

Why have most governments classified Bitcoin as an asset when it is a currency according
to you? The difference between Ripple and other scamcoins vs. Bitcoin is simple. Bitcoin has a truly
immutable supply and a predetermined issuance rate that eventually asymptotically approaches zero.
All the other scamcoins are prone to changes in supply or other relevant characteristics.

However, as we have seen numerous times with all the fork attempts Bitcoin is incredibly resilient to all
of these attacks and has proven to be immune to any relevant changes.

For further reading on why Bitcoin is superior to all the altcoins I suggest that you read the links
that I already posted in this thread yesterday:

http://nakamotoinstitute.org/mempool/the-problem-with-altcoins/
http://nakamotoinstitute.org/mempool/the-coming-demise-of-altcoins/
http://nakamotoinstitute.org/mempool/appcoins-are-snake-oil/
http://nakamotoinstitute.org/mempool/its-not-about-the-technology-its-about-the-money/

Your last paragraph is pure conjecture. The more likely reason why Satoshi´s coins have never
moved is that he/she is dead or can´t access the private keys for another reason. I think you are giving
the government too much credit if you think that they are the inventors of cryptocurrency. I do concede
though that various government entities are probably heavily into cryptocurrency mining in order to
generate cash that is off the books.

[d_eddie]

For example, A and B connect to me with 1 BTC each. I copy their public key to an offline machine and have it generate a million transactions each (or however many are needed) to account for every possible signed transaction then transfer that to a computer online.

Also, if this is possible, what prevents me from signing all of those transactions then spending the bitcoins somewhere else. Or is this what SegWit fixed?

No you can't do that. You only get some coin from Alice that you must pass on to the opposite end of one of your open channels. Each channel has only two ends: you and the other guy. So you get money on one channel (Alice), you pass it on to Charlie, which will help with another hop, until the coins reach the final destination - Bob, but none of the intermediate nodes knows that. You can't withhold the funds within your node. They must travel onwards.

And in this scenario could we interpret every single channel "section" (aka my combined 2 connections (Alice to me, and me to Charlie) as a tx confirmation? Thus, a passthrough of let's say 5 channels equals 5 confirmations?

No. Each intermediate hop (channel fund movement) is confirmed almost instantaneously. So the sending node gets its balance back at once.