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[JayJuanGee]

Don't get me wrong, I have no doubt that the Chinese put all kinds of trackers on their phones, primarily to keep tabs on their own people, but of course also spilling over to us roundeyes when we purchase a phone from them.

I just don't think those trackers have any consequences for me when I sweep my keys. That's why I asked for examples, If I'm proved wrong I would have to reexamine my position.

OK, If I overstated your position I apologize for that, and yes, I was unnecessarily dickish in the post that lit all this off, sorry.

If you are only using a phone to sweep a few bucks worth of forks out of addresses ALREADY EMPTIED of BTC (and actually I would say BCH depending on the balance) I guess the convenience may be worth the risk.

As far as examples, absence of proof is not proof of absence, phones get hacked all the time.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/21/business/dealbook/phone-hack-bitcoin-virtual-currency.html

Apology accepted. All good.
I don't get it, how can they move a mobile phone number? Where I live the number is locked to the sim card. If you want to move your number to another phone you would have to physically move the sim card to that phone. There is no other way.

Phone companies may have gotten smarter about this; however, porting phone numbers can be a quite pernicious means of getting into your various e-mail and/or bitcoin related accounts.  So , you definitely gotta be careful about that.  I think that in the USA they just need your phone number and your telephone account number to be able to force port the number to whereever the fuck they want... and then you might be fucked.

[JohnUser]

In my country they have declare war against crypto. They won't win.. but make us loose so many money/time. Not only my born country (france) but all western europe is in war against crypto.

So.. fuck them !

(I don't live their anymore, but you know, your born country will be always in your heart).

[RoomBot]

Don't get me wrong, I have no doubt that the Chinese put all kinds of trackers on their phones, primarily to keep tabs on their own people, but of course also spilling over to us roundeyes when we purchase a phone from them.

I just don't think those trackers have any consequences for me when I sweep my keys. That's why I asked for examples, If I'm proved wrong I would have to reexamine my position.

OK, If I overstated your position I apologize for that, and yes, I was unnecessarily dickish in the post that lit all this off, sorry.

If you are only using a phone to sweep a few bucks worth of forks out of addresses ALREADY EMPTIED of BTC (and actually I would say BCH depending on the balance) I guess the convenience may be worth the risk.

As far as examples, absence of proof is not proof of absence, phones get hacked all the time.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/21/business/dealbook/phone-hack-bitcoin-virtual-currency.html

Check out DUO MOBILE authentication for smartphones.  Much safer! No SMS.

[JayJuanGee]

the past month has been a bit frustrating for HODLers and those of us who have been contemplating decent likelihoods of further upwards BTC price movements

What eldritch horrors await those who put their faith in imaginary, paper assets in the end.

Yes... Roachster.  Famous for reading out of context.

If you had not noticed, bitcoin remains in a very volatile market in part because it is a seminal product in a paradigm shifting asset class, and further the market seems to be very immature - thus more easy to manipulate prices up or down. 

We can also consider the price correction from $19,666 to $9,222 to be within normal boundaries of a product such as bitcoin, even while it can be quite painful, stressful and uncertain to ride out the UP and DOWN waves.

[JayJuanGee]

My favorite part.

Kissing and making up.

well, we are badger bros'

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For some reason, ducks seemed cuter in this context.   

[Toxic2040]

"My use of "hope" might NOT have been the best of choices, yet I did not mean anything denigrating about it."

You are not at all. It is intensely hard to look past the Id. I like to call it being a real human being. So easy to say(or type), yet so hard to practice oneself.

"I think that by constantly attempting to practice and then looking at your own approach, you become more and more in tune.."

See below.

"I am not even sure if I understand my own system.."

See below.

"Actually, several of us HODLers and BTC bulls were probably quite shocked beyond our belief.." 

Not probably..lol.

"I think that no matter what some of us, including myself, are going to have second thoughts about "I should have sold more" or "I should have bought more" , yet the more that you consider your plan in advance and reconsider and tweak it, the better you are going to be to lessen some of those stresses (that do not go away completely)."

I think JJG..that you are in the same or near the same place I feel I am at. where these "stresses" are becoming less and less relevant. I see them as applied gaming theory. Bitcoin kinda brings out a highlanderish thing...I will be the(most) only one with coin! amiright? I mean..we have to keep score somehow.

"After all these years in bitcoin, I frequently have difficulties attributing meaning to some of these chart (TA) indictators, and sometimes difficult to determine which chart is best for which purpose."

Yes...it is all voodoo and mummery...but..as many things are..some truths(?) can be gleaned I think. What one can intuit I think is cyclical. Meaning at times you are in tune and at times not so much. Mathematics...music...oscillation...vibrations...harmonics.

And besides all that..my doji never materialized..us talking about it...causation and all...

[Arriemoller]

In my country they have declare war against crypto. They won't win.. but make us loose so many money/time. Not only my born country (france) but all western europe is in war against crypto.

So.. fuck them !

(I don't live their anymore, but you know, your born country will be always in your heart).

I disagree, at least in Scandinavia there is no war against crypto. Exchanges must follow KYC and all that, and you must pay capital gains tax, but thats normal for all asset trading.
Moving in and out of crypto is also easy, a lot easier than in the US. SEPA, or in Sweden, Swish, is a lot easier and cheaper than the wire transfer used in the US.
Small scale mining isn't even taxed in Sweden, it's considered a hobby with no taxable income.

[yefi]

Ok I checked here and you can move your phone number to another phone company, but they will send you a new sim card with the number. So no magic online stuff. Would that not be a good way to get rid of the scamming in the rest of the world.

The number is being rerouted to a new sim, I don't see how this protects you. Most countries have signed up to mobile number porting, and the switch will be done on a back-end database.

[Bitcoinaire]

Bitcoin is on the move!

[vanobe]

Bitcoin is on the move!

It must have closed above 11147. Xhomerx10 says 12500 is incoming.

If Bitcoin closes above 11147 in 2.75 hours from now, that would be bullish and Boblawblaw should then be able to stick to his retirement plans and sell @ 12500 very soon.

[yefi]

Holy shit, we have Merit and sMerit now? How do we pump this?

[Rosewater Foundation]

Holy shit, we have Merit and sMerit now? How do we pump this?

I tried to merit you that comment. But I'm out of merit points. Is there a shop?

[Arriemoller]

Ok I checked here and you can move your phone number to another phone company, but they will send you a new sim card with the number. So no magic online stuff. Would that not be a good way to get rid of the scamming in the rest of the world.

The number is being rerouted to a new sim, I don't see how this protects you. Most countries have signed up to mobile number porting, and the switch will be done on a back-end database.

They will physically send you a new sim with your old number. So even if someone else somehow get hold of your digital bank ID and manages to move you to another phone company that company will send the new sim with your old number to you physically trough the royal Swedish mail, (or one of their private competitors).

[egyptian magician]

Guys, I need to know if the price is going to go up or down over the next 48 hours. Please, this very important!!

[Toxic2040]

Holy shit, we have Merit and sMerit now? How do we pump this?

I tried to merit you that comment. But I'm out of merit points. Is there a shop?

When is the fork of these meritcoins and will there be another airdrop?  

[Dabs]

I merit a few people. It seems there is a new system today. I found the thread in the meta section. You can read about it here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2818350.0

[Arriemoller]

Holy shit, we have Merit and sMerit now? How do we pump this?

I tried to merit you that comment. But I'm out of merit points. Is there a shop?

What is that and how does it work?

[Rosewater Foundation]

Holy shit, we have Merit and sMerit now? How do we pump this?

I tried to merit you that comment. But I'm out of merit points. Is there a shop?

What is that and how does it work?

It's obviously a meritocracy, of sorts.

[cAPSLOCK]

Holy shit, we have Merit and sMerit now? How do we pump this?

I tried to merit you that comment. But I'm out of merit points. Is there a shop?

When is the fork of these meritcoins and will there be another airdrop?  

meritCash is the real merit...

[JayJuanGee]

I think JJG..that you are in the same or near the same place I feel I am at. where these "stresses" are becoming less and less relevant.

Frequently, I attempt to think about my profits in conservative ways and also my costs in generous ways, but even if I give those benefits of the doubt, I still have profits that are way beyond what I would have been happy with, minimally.  So extra profits that are like icing on the cake.  I would have been happy to average 6% profits per year, so even with my down years, and various mistakes that I have made, I am easily averaging over 4x per year... that would be 400% per year.    Therefore with so much greater equity than expected, it becomes much easier to go into a kind of zen place.

I see them as applied gaming theory.

There are surely fun ways to look at this whole bitcoin matter, and I have been learning a lot - even when I get some of the predictions wrong.

Bitcoin kinda brings out a highlanderish thing...I will be the(most) only one with coin! amiright?

I'm not sure if I think of it like that, but I do feel some kind of insight regarding bitcoin and there seem to be so many smart people who do not seem to understand what differentiates bitcoin from other cryptos and from other asset classes.  Even the Weiss rating bullshit from today kind of demonstrates that either smart people do not understand bitcoin or they are purposefully engaging in misleading behavior...

How the fuck do they give Ethereum a B and bitcoin a C+ and Dogecoin a C...   Makes little sense, except that they are making shit up, and in the end, the fact that some of us can see through the bullshit, we are going to continue to invest in bitcoin and we will profit from such ongoing better than others insight.  In other words, some folks are going to get mislead by the bullshit that ended up coming out of the supposedly objective and professional Weiss rating system.

I mean..we have to keep score somehow.

I think that subliminally I may be on the same page.  I try to tell myself that I am not competing with anyone except for myself, but I do get some feelings of self-righteousness when I see some failures coming from some of the other more centralized projects that are trying to elevate themselves to bitcoin status or bitcoin 2.0 status.