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January 24, 2018, 01:58:03 AM

My wife is very happy with me.  Happy wife, happy life.


Edit:   I never knew I wanted a surfing bear.
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January 24, 2018, 02:01:43 AM

Like the last 3 movies I watched included a gold digging wife that stayed with their shitty husband because he made money and then as soon as he loses the money they want to get a divorce and take the children.
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January 24, 2018, 02:02:45 AM

Now THIS is the kind of capitulation talk we need more of.
The trend is down.

I CAN'T TAKE THIS PRESSURE ANY MORE !!! DON'T MAKE ME PLACE A SELL ORDER AT $10,500 YOU FUCKING ASSHOLE !!!

* BobLawblaw cries out in sobbing anguish. Dramatically tips back head, and places back-of-the-hand on forehead, while feigning fainting...

Is it going to the moon after you put your sell order on at $10,500?
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January 24, 2018, 02:31:51 AM

Coinbase ... probably they were getting back-handers from Jihad , Roger and jbreher and those big-block bum-buddies to keep fees high and sow mayhem.

Shutteth up about things which thou knoweth not.

Fuckhead.

Come on, picnic bear. 


Don't be a party poop.
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January 24, 2018, 02:41:56 AM

So, good luck to you if you find yourself with only sporadic appearances in the official books of state, if you are a rural migrant without a recorded birthdate, identifiable parents, or an ID number. Sorry if you lack markers of stability, if you are a rogue traveller without permanent address, phone number or email. Apologies if you have no symbols of status, if you're an informal economy hustler with no assets and low, inconsistent income. Condolences if you have no official stamps of approval from gatekeeper bodies, like university certificates or records of employment at a formal company. Goodbye if you have a poor record of engagements with recognised institutions, like a criminal record or a record of missed payments.
https://www.nesta.org.uk/blog/war-cash h/t @J9Roem
I missed this from 2016
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For those playing along at home, you'll no doubt note that (should my understanding be correct), BW consumption scales at O(n^2).
I'm sure it will improve when the routing invention breakthrough occurs.
Of course - the clueless developers! D'oh, what an unforgivable oversight! The system they implemented is doomed. They chose the SAN (Spam All Network) algorithm for both route discovery and node state update. They slept during their networking lessons, or was it calculus? So they failed to notice that bandwidth grows quadratically with the number of nodes. This way, it's almost as bad as if one increased the block size. But who would ever think of that?
Hyperbole duly noted. Be that as it may, do you have any evidence that suggests that my understanding is incorrect?

Honestly, I don't know which solution has eventually been adopted in this first version of the LN, but already in 2016 the proposed method was significantly better than the naive SAN technique you hint at.

Great. What does that have to do with the shipping implementation? Anything?

Let's summarize our path so far:
you: I'll try it out
me: cool - please let me know about your BW use. My understanding is it broadcasts all state to everyone
you: oh posh! how dare you assume the devs did not do better
me: well, that's what I'm led to believe - you have better info?
you: no, but here's a possibly relevant scrap of a possibly workable design that would do better

I mean, I don't mean to misrepresent anything here, but that's the way it looks from my vantage point.

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Using a fog of war like design, the collected information by the routing algorithm “includes channels within a low hop-distance and paths to randomly selected nodes further away… As a result, a node will have a well-illuminated map of its local neighborhood within the network, with random patches of visibility further away enabled by the selection of beacon nodes.”

I often write with rhetorical metaphorical flourish as well. But not within a technical specification that I expect to be taken seriously. So in addition to questioning this excerpt's relevance to current code, I also question it's author's capability.

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So, it's not an initially low TTL that gets conservatively increased as I had wildly imagined, but not so far off either: closer nodes are exhaustively enumerated, while a small set of distant nodes is selected pseudorandomly.

Which still leaves quite the bulk elided from view. In what way is this anonymous? How does it handle nodes dropping off the network? And the ensuing rejoins? 'Beacons'? Is that a euphemism for trusted intermediary?

It just sounds like we're being asked to buy a pig in a poke. Again, my assumptions could be wrong. But life has taught me well that SW projects are rarely underpromised and overdelivered.
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January 24, 2018, 02:54:57 AM

I was hoping not to have to install special instrumentation like wireshark.

Well, wireshark is about as universal a network analysis tool as exists.

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BTW, 8333 is for bitcoind. LN uses a different port (can't recall right now).

Exactly. Filter out all 8333 and what are you left with? Traffic not to/from your validating client - which I believe was what you were looking for in your query.
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January 24, 2018, 03:40:38 AM

yaya and jbreher is a lying scammer, but he's 'polite' so that's fine

What the hell have I lied about? Nothing.
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January 24, 2018, 03:46:13 AM

Damn man, this Doug Polk guy is legit.
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January 24, 2018, 04:06:48 AM

Like the last 3 movies I watched included a gold digging wife that stayed with their shitty husband because he made money and then as soon as he loses the money they want to get a divorce and take the children.

Where can I find a wife like that?
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January 24, 2018, 04:31:48 AM

Good job Boblawblaw !!!... It went under 10.500$ ... I hope your order got filled 100% !!! Cheesy Cheesy
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January 24, 2018, 04:39:53 AM

here's to hoping Bob gets filled


heh     heh heh
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January 24, 2018, 05:00:52 AM

Good job Boblawblaw !!!... It went under 10.500$ ... I hope your order got filled 100% !!! Cheesy Cheesy

No siree. Will leave my order @ $12.5k in place and see what happens over the next 48 hours.

Depends on the exchange i guess 12.0 on CEX maybe.
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January 24, 2018, 05:18:09 AM

It's beyond comical how rigged this market is by the same single entity constantly trying to paint the tape ever since the $200 price range.  Soon as price dumps near $10k, here comes the Bitfinex spoofer to place all of his fake 1000 btc walls to try and paint a perfect double bottom, then immediately tries to spike it afterwards.  Even the metals market, which is rigged 24/7/365 looks less rigged than BTC.  

The only difference is, the ESF manipulates metals down, while this single entity always attempts to manipulate BTC up.  Kind of makes you wonder why the govt sanctions the ESF to rig metals down while being fully capable of doing the exact same thing with bitcoin, yet this mysterious entity rigging BTC is always trying to push it upwards instead.  That is, unless the (((govt))) wants bitcoin to go up to try and force people into a centralized tracking system instead of buying metals...
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January 24, 2018, 05:22:18 AM

Good job Boblawblaw !!!... It went under 10.500$ ... I hope your order got filled 100% !!! Cheesy Cheesy

No siree. Will leave my order @ $12.5k in place and see what happens over the next 48 hours.
Cme futures scam expires Jan 26 = moon
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January 24, 2018, 05:37:49 AM

Good job Boblawblaw !!!... It went under 10.500$ ... I hope your order got filled 100% !!! Cheesy Cheesy

No siree. Will leave my order @ $12.5k in place and see what happens over the next 48 hours.
Cme futures scam expires Jan 26 = moon

Can you give a basic explanation of the logic behind that? I don't understand how the Cme futures scam works.
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January 24, 2018, 05:46:18 AM

anybody heard how the EVE battle went?
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Good job Boblawblaw !!!... It went under 10.500$ ... I hope your order got filled 100% !!! Cheesy Cheesy

No siree. Will leave my order @ $12.5k in place and see what happens over the next 48 hours.
Cme futures scam expires Jan 26 = moon

Can you give a basic explanation of the logic behind that? I don't understand how the Cme futures scam works.

Futures were announced and we had the manipulated bull run November and first few weeks of December.
The manipulators behind the scenes recognized a large price drop and FUD would cause many investors (especially new regular joes) to panic sell.
Take out short positions in those futures contracts.
Manipulate the price down so all the weak hands sell using the regular FUD crypto news like korea etc.
Buy more near the bottom/dips and cash in on short positions = win win.

Another theory Ive seen is the larger miners wanting to squeeze new miners out by making btc less profitable to mine.  They again take short positions in futures and paint the tape all the way down.

Either way there is rampant price manipulation.  There is a thread around here somewhere where the OP tells everyone in advance that the market is going to crash on  monday 15th.  Im sure his accuracy was just random hmm.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/7pxg0d/2018_crypto_black_monday/
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January 24, 2018, 05:56:07 AM

So the Weiss grades come out today...

Anyone else kinda bracing for impact?  I have a feeling buying ripple right now could be a good bet. It will get a B which will be the highest grade.(I just threw up in my mouth a little) 

And I predict a D or C at best for bitcoin.

I will be pleasantly surprised if I am wrong.
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January 24, 2018, 06:00:54 AM

I have met people at conferences that are running the crypto projects inside banks. They think Ripple is a turd.

If Ripple gets highly rated, then we know the ratings are a sham. If banks are using anything it’s R3 / Corda. Even that seems to be falling out of favour.  I guess Mike Hearn isn’t setting the world on fire after all.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-jpmorgan-r3/jpmorgan-chase-co-leaves-blockchain-consortium-r3-idUSKBN17T2T4
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