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[Arriemoller]

Don't get me wrong, I have no doubt that the Chinese put all kinds of trackers on their phones, primarily to keep tabs on their own people, but of course also spilling over to us roundeyes when we purchase a phone from them.

I just don't think those trackers have any consequences for me when I sweep my keys. That's why I asked for examples, If I'm proved wrong I would have to reexamine my position.

OK, If I overstated your position I apologize for that, and yes, I was unnecessarily dickish in the post that lit all this off, sorry.

If you are only using a phone to sweep a few bucks worth of forks out of addresses ALREADY EMPTIED of BTC (and actually I would say BCH depending on the balance) I guess the convenience may be worth the risk.

As far as examples, absence of proof is not proof of absence, phones get hacked all the time.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/21/business/dealbook/phone-hack-bitcoin-virtual-currency.html

Apology accepted. All good.
I don't get it, how can they move a mobile phone number? Where I live the number is locked to the sim card. If you want to move your number to another phone you would have to physically move the sim card to that phone. There is no other way.

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[vanobe]

Anyone else unable to access coinbase?  Won't load since yesterday on either of my browsers and cant access the send/receive on my phone.

It's been online for days with no problems according to this.

http://www.isitdownrightnow.com/coinbase.com.html

Try installing the latest versions of some alternative browsers.

[Syke]

Text message 2fa is not true 2fa for the very reason hackers can port your phone number.
google authenticater or authy  is true 2fa in that no phone number involved.

Is there any way to stop Authy from keeping a copy of my secret keys?

[vanobe]

Apology accepted. All good.
I don't get it, how can they move a mobile phone number? Where I live the number is locked to the sim card. If you want to move your number to another phone you would have to physically move the sim card to that phone. There is no other way.

In most of the world it's possible to transfer a phone number to a different sim card. There's a few scams that use the technique, and most people aren't aware of them


https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/technology/phone-number-porting-scam-grows-in-australia-with-thousands-of-dollars-stolen-from-victims/news-story/6dc83c76543b5888b12a10790b9ee209

Gold Coast businesswoman Cynthia Dammerer discovered she had been targeted by criminals after her mobile phone mysteriously went out of service after 9pm one night.

While she initially thought her phone network was down, she later discovered the fraudsters had also broken into her email account and tried to change her password.

“I called Telstra and they said I had moved my number over to Vodafone and I’d have to go into a store to sort it out,” she said. “I had no idea.”

Ms Dammerer said scammers had moved her phone number to an untraceable Vodafone prepaid account so it could be used to verify bank account transactions, and potentially create new accounts.

“They did it all online,” she said. “They didn’t even have to go into a shop.

[Syke]

Text message 2fa is not true 2fa for the very reason hackers can port your phone number.
google authenticater or authy  is true 2fa in that no phone number involved.

Is there any way to stop Authy from keeping a copy of my secret keys?

Replying to myself, Authy backups are encrypted locally. Yay!

https://authy.com/blog/how-the-authy-two-factor-backups-work/

[jojo69]

Text message 2fa is not true 2fa for the very reason hackers can port your phone number.
google authenticater or authy  is true 2fa in that no phone number involved.

Is there any way to stop Authy from keeping a copy of my secret keys?

is that the problem with Authy?

Doug alludes to a problem in one of his vids, but doesn't go into details.  I am uncomfortable with Google (Alphabet) having my data.

[jojo69]

And replying to myself, Polk says that Authy uses your phone number!?!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBVCn7q_fSI  08:15

[Arriemoller]

Apology accepted. All good.
I don't get it, how can they move a mobile phone number? Where I live the number is locked to the sim card. If you want to move your number to another phone you would have to physically move the sim card to that phone. There is no other way.

In most of the world it's possible to transfer a phone number to a different sim card. There's a few scams that use the technique, and most people aren't aware of them


https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/technology/phone-number-porting-scam-grows-in-australia-with-thousands-of-dollars-stolen-from-victims/news-story/6dc83c76543b5888b12a10790b9ee209

Gold Coast businesswoman Cynthia Dammerer discovered she had been targeted by criminals after her mobile phone mysteriously went out of service after 9pm one night.

While she initially thought her phone network was down, she later discovered the fraudsters had also broken into her email account and tried to change her password.

“I called Telstra and they said I had moved my number over to Vodafone and I’d have to go into a store to sort it out,” she said. “I had no idea.”

Ms Dammerer said scammers had moved her phone number to an untraceable Vodafone prepaid account so it could be used to verify bank account transactions, and potentially create new accounts.

“They did it all online,” she said. “They didn’t even have to go into a shop.

Ok I checked here and you can move your phone number to another phone company, but they will send you a new sim card with the number. So no magic online stuff. Would that not be a good way to get rid of the scamming in the rest of the world.

[Syke]

And replying to myself, Polk says that Authy uses your phone number!?!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBVCn7q_fSI  08:15

They use it for some stuff, but it doesn't appear to involve the actual keys, so should be fine.

[vanobe]

Ok I checked here and you can move your phone number to another phone company, but they will send you a new sim card with the number. So no magic online stuff. Would that not be a good way to get rid of the scamming in the rest of the world.

Frankly I'm surprised they allow moving phone numbers to new sims so easily in the majority of the world. It would get rid of those scams if every country used your country's system. I don't understand why they haven't already done it.

[realr0ach]

the past month has been a bit frustrating for HODLers and those of us who have been contemplating decent likelihoods of further upwards BTC price movements

What eldritch horrors await those who put their faith in imaginary, paper assets in the end.

[JayJuanGee]

Don't get me wrong, I have no doubt that the Chinese put all kinds of trackers on their phones, primarily to keep tabs on their own people, but of course also spilling over to us roundeyes when we purchase a phone from them.

I just don't think those trackers have any consequences for me when I sweep my keys. That's why I asked for examples, If I'm proved wrong I would have to reexamine my position.

OK, If I overstated your position I apologize for that, and yes, I was unnecessarily dickish in the post that lit all this off, sorry.

If you are only using a phone to sweep a few bucks worth of forks out of addresses ALREADY EMPTIED of BTC (and actually I would say BCH depending on the balance) I guess the convenience may be worth the risk.

As far as examples, absence of proof is not proof of absence, phones get hacked all the time.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/21/business/dealbook/phone-hack-bitcoin-virtual-currency.html

My favorite part.

Kissing and making up.

[jojo69]

My favorite part.

Kissing and making up.

well, we are badger bros'

[JayJuanGee]

Don't get me wrong, I have no doubt that the Chinese put all kinds of trackers on their phones, primarily to keep tabs on their own people, but of course also spilling over to us roundeyes when we purchase a phone from them.

I just don't think those trackers have any consequences for me when I sweep my keys. That's why I asked for examples, If I'm proved wrong I would have to reexamine my position.

OK, If I overstated your position I apologize for that, and yes, I was unnecessarily dickish in the post that lit all this off, sorry.

If you are only using a phone to sweep a few bucks worth of forks out of addresses ALREADY EMPTIED of BTC (and actually I would say BCH depending on the balance) I guess the convenience may be worth the risk.

As far as examples, absence of proof is not proof of absence, phones get hacked all the time.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/21/business/dealbook/phone-hack-bitcoin-virtual-currency.html

Apology accepted. All good.
I don't get it, how can they move a mobile phone number? Where I live the number is locked to the sim card. If you want to move your number to another phone you would have to physically move the sim card to that phone. There is no other way.

Phone companies may have gotten smarter about this; however, porting phone numbers can be a quite pernicious means of getting into your various e-mail and/or bitcoin related accounts.  So , you definitely gotta be careful about that.  I think that in the USA they just need your phone number and your telephone account number to be able to force port the number to whereever the fuck they want... and then you might be fucked.

[JohnUser]

In my country they have declare war against crypto. They won't win.. but make us loose so many money/time. Not only my born country (france) but all western europe is in war against crypto.

So.. fuck them !

(I don't live their anymore, but you know, your born country will be always in your heart).

[RoomBot]

Don't get me wrong, I have no doubt that the Chinese put all kinds of trackers on their phones, primarily to keep tabs on their own people, but of course also spilling over to us roundeyes when we purchase a phone from them.

I just don't think those trackers have any consequences for me when I sweep my keys. That's why I asked for examples, If I'm proved wrong I would have to reexamine my position.

OK, If I overstated your position I apologize for that, and yes, I was unnecessarily dickish in the post that lit all this off, sorry.

If you are only using a phone to sweep a few bucks worth of forks out of addresses ALREADY EMPTIED of BTC (and actually I would say BCH depending on the balance) I guess the convenience may be worth the risk.

As far as examples, absence of proof is not proof of absence, phones get hacked all the time.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/21/business/dealbook/phone-hack-bitcoin-virtual-currency.html

Check out DUO MOBILE authentication for smartphones.  Much safer! No SMS.

[JayJuanGee]

the past month has been a bit frustrating for HODLers and those of us who have been contemplating decent likelihoods of further upwards BTC price movements

What eldritch horrors await those who put their faith in imaginary, paper assets in the end.

Yes... Roachster.  Famous for reading out of context.

If you had not noticed, bitcoin remains in a very volatile market in part because it is a seminal product in a paradigm shifting asset class, and further the market seems to be very immature - thus more easy to manipulate prices up or down. 

We can also consider the price correction from $19,666 to $9,222 to be within normal boundaries of a product such as bitcoin, even while it can be quite painful, stressful and uncertain to ride out the UP and DOWN waves.

[JayJuanGee]

My favorite part.

Kissing and making up.

well, we are badger bros'

[http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/015/256/BadgerBadgerBadger.png[/img]

For some reason, ducks seemed cuter in this context.   

[Toxic2040]

"My use of "hope" might NOT have been the best of choices, yet I did not mean anything denigrating about it."

You are not at all. It is intensely hard to look past the Id. I like to call it being a real human being. So easy to say(or type), yet so hard to practice oneself.

"I think that by constantly attempting to practice and then looking at your own approach, you become more and more in tune.."

See below.

"I am not even sure if I understand my own system.."

See below.

"Actually, several of us HODLers and BTC bulls were probably quite shocked beyond our belief.." 

Not probably..lol.

"I think that no matter what some of us, including myself, are going to have second thoughts about "I should have sold more" or "I should have bought more" , yet the more that you consider your plan in advance and reconsider and tweak it, the better you are going to be to lessen some of those stresses (that do not go away completely)."

I think JJG..that you are in the same or near the same place I feel I am at. where these "stresses" are becoming less and less relevant. I see them as applied gaming theory. Bitcoin kinda brings out a highlanderish thing...I will be the(most) only one with coin! amiright? I mean..we have to keep score somehow.

"After all these years in bitcoin, I frequently have difficulties attributing meaning to some of these chart (TA) indictators, and sometimes difficult to determine which chart is best for which purpose."

Yes...it is all voodoo and mummery...but..as many things are..some truths(?) can be gleaned I think. What one can intuit I think is cyclical. Meaning at times you are in tune and at times not so much. Mathematics...music...oscillation...vibrations...harmonics.

And besides all that..my doji never materialized..us talking about it...causation and all...

[Arriemoller]

In my country they have declare war against crypto. They won't win.. but make us loose so many money/time. Not only my born country (france) but all western europe is in war against crypto.

So.. fuck them !

(I don't live their anymore, but you know, your born country will be always in your heart).

I disagree, at least in Scandinavia there is no war against crypto. Exchanges must follow KYC and all that, and you must pay capital gains tax, but thats normal for all asset trading.
Moving in and out of crypto is also easy, a lot easier than in the US. SEPA, or in Sweden, Swish, is a lot easier and cheaper than the wire transfer used in the US.
Small scale mining isn't even taxed in Sweden, it's considered a hobby with no taxable income.