MtGox withdrawal delays [Gathering]

[smooth]

I never understood why people gets upset when an exchange asks your ID. This is because in my country , within UE, i can be arrested (for a couple of hours) only because i don't carry my ID documents (nationality and driver license) when i'm on public places (streets, sidewalks, etc). If an officer stops me and asks for my ID i have to show him my documents. It's simple as that...

Huge difference between one person's documents in your pocket and a million documents on a web site. The latter is a huge target for hackers.

"the [MtGox] hacker also have access to a 20GB data dump of customer data along with passport scans"

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=498522.msg5485610#msg5485610

Uploading your personal data to any web site is inherently dangerous and should only be done with great caution and only when absolutely necessary. I never uploaded my documents to MtGox (thankfully) and stopped using the site when they started requiring them, for exactly this reason. I had no legal concerns whatsoever about the source of funds in my MtGox accounts at all (they were all solo mined coins) but I did not trust them with my personal information.

[itsunderstood]

Huge difference between one person's documents in your pocket and a million documents on a web site. The latter is a huge target for hackers.

"the [MtGox] hacker also have access to a 20GB data dump of customer data along with passport scans"

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=498522.msg5485610#msg5485610

Uploading your personal data to any web site is inherently dangerous and should only be done with great caution and only when absolutely necessary. I never uploaded my documents to MtGox (thankfully) and stopped using the site when they started requiring them, for exactly this reason. I had no legal concerns whatsoever about the source of funds in my MtGox accounts at all (they were all solo mined coins) but I did not trust them with my personal information.

Indeed we see that those exchanges who ask for documents, should get their ass handed to them if they fumble those docs.  Fiduciary responsibility means what?  Or at least, it should.

Exchanges, traditionally, are vectors of far more crime, then honesty.  I mean, Jesus had to bust one up with full force, and even then, he didn't affect the money system of Earth, it is still fiat debt based on wars. 

But you are so right to point out that the people who claim responsible positions, need to carefully protect whatever info they intake from the public. If you cannot keep data secure, well, frankly, you should have known you were too stupid to ask for it in the first place.  That is how I feel.  I would never ask for people's data if I knew it would be pilfered.  At the end, only creditability and integrity will matter.

[Lohoris]

I never understood why people gets upset when an exchange asks your ID.

Asking for an ID is perfectly fine.
Accepting your funds without an ID and then asking for an ID, after you deposited, to let you withdraw... is a completely different matter.

[alfabitcoin]

I never understood why people gets upset when an exchange asks your ID.

Asking for an ID is perfectly fine.
Accepting your funds without an ID and then asking for an ID, after you deposited, to let you withdraw... is a completely different matter.

Its not wrong if you had full month notice to withdraw it without being verified and aside if you somehow missed to see it, they would also allow to get funds back without i.d. to your bank account.
That change was not over night like you lohoris want to show. Users had a month period. And even after that somebody still would not want to submit the id, bitstamp would transfer the funds to bank account and closed user account.why? Because that is a policy for termination in their terms and if user stop to acknowledge (new) policy or terms. Do you suggest that bitstamp should make exception to one and only member on this forum who bitch and moan because he did not visited bitstamp for a month and does not read tos?
I really dont see a problem....only trolls and baseless bashing.

[janos666]

Please stop posting offtopic!
Seriously, you should understand that people who had non-empty accounts on Gox are eager to read any kind of news about Gox. They don't want to open a Gox thread with unread posts and find irrelevant informations about small issues with another, unrelated exchanges.

[itsunderstood]

Please stop posting offtopic!
Seriously, you should understand that people who had non-empty accounts on Gox are eager to read any kind of news about Gox. They don't want to open a Gox thread with unread posts and find irrelevant informations about small issues with another, unrelated exchanges.

Suggest title of thread change to MtGox Largest Theft in History [Gathering]

Will that make you happy?  Because, from what I can see, this thread is right on topic and at 300 pages, is nothing compared to some other great threades on Ye Internetes.  So, offer what you got but if it's complaints about the thread, personally I'm not listening.  This thread is great.

[kano]

Please stop posting offtopic!
Seriously, you should understand that people who had non-empty accounts on Gox are eager to read any kind of news about Gox. They don't want to open a Gox thread with unread posts and find irrelevant informations about small issues with another, unrelated exchanges.

Suggest title of thread change to MtGox Largest Theft in History [Gathering]

Will that make you happy?  Because, from what I can see, this thread is right on topic and at 300 pages, is nothing compared to some other great threades on Ye Internetes.  So, offer what you got but if it's complaints about the thread, personally I'm not listening.  This thread is great.

Actually the last few pages have been full of crap about other exchanges ... so not on topic.

[smooth]

The issue of ID verification is relevant to MtGox since it appears there may have, in addition to the other problems with MtGox, been a data breach where 20 GB of ID documents were stolen from MtGox.

[itsunderstood]

The issue of ID verification is relevant to MtGox since it appears there may have, in addition to the other problems with MtGox, been a data breach where 20 GB of ID documents were stolen from MtGox.

Yes.

Anyone who thinks this thread is off topic is a fool who wishes 10x more stupid threads onto the world.

This thread does fine for tracking the huge hole in cryptocoin called "exchanges who collect data and coins"   

Lets see which of them can value their customers the best.  And, how do they prove that?

[V4Vendettas]

In my opinion it is imposibru for this thread to stay on track it is after all MtGox withdrawal delays [Gathering].

If we were to stay on track it would render this thread rather dull and pointless.

example:

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0703hrs 09/03/2014

My 73 bitcoin withdraw is still delayed and withdraws are still down on the website.

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Yea that x 1 million is pointless.

What we can do is evolve the thread in a direction that has some meaning and worth to Gox customers hoping to recover assets and to keep up-to-date with the latest news.

We have plenty of tinfoil conspiracy theory threads and if people are interested in these its not hard for them to go read them elsewhere.

Just my 2 btc on the subject  and I don't presume to tell the internetz what to do just saying it might be nice.

[V4Vendettas]

If of use please feel free to use,edit, add to it and keep it alive by reposting in this thread if you have significantly improved it.
I have missed plenty of threads feel free to fix.
If not of use sit on ass while yelling at me for spam.


Offical MT.Gox Updates
https://www.mtgox.com/

Movement on the block chain
http://www.coinsight.org/mtgox.html
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=492776.0 [GOX] Crime Scene Investigation, Case #MG744
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=505032.20 200k btc,big move,2014-03-07
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=506822.0 I traced a withdrawal processed by MtGox to the 180,000BTC wallet
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=505044.0180,000 BTC (old coins) have just moved
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=506814.0 PROOF Gox had control over the 180k coins
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=506385.0GOXXED AGAIN

MT.Gox Reorganization / Rebranding
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=489949.0 Open Letter to Mark Karpeles: Voluntary Reorganization Best Option for Us All

Wealth lost on Gox Poll
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=502307.0 Poll: Did you lose BTC to Mt Gox?

Theory threads:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=500314.0  If I were to steal 0.5 billion … a story how I would do / wouldn’t have done it
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=502485.0 I think I know where all the Gox money went.....
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=503421.0I suspect Gox sold customer bitcoin for FIAT themselves -fractional reserve -
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=506197.0 MTGOX whistleblower...the plot thickens.

Future Goxation and speculation (no idea what to call this one sorry)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=490961.0 Anyone who had btc on gox since 2011 could be affected

Gox Identity thieft
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=505204.0 Hackers Claim They Have 20GB of MtGox Customers' Personal Data
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=508162.0 Hackers steal data from MtGox server and release it with Mark's reddit account.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=508328.0 Mt. Gox user details for sale

Crimminal charges?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=506455.0 Has anyone seen the large man with big blue balls?

Law
http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1z6ffm/japanese_bankruptcy_law_explained/

Discussion on regulation post goxxing
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=370572.0Post Gox - Is it time for a Bitcoin Code Authority and self-regulation?

I enjoy being scammed where do I go?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=83.0

WARNING UNLESS YOU REALLY KNOW YOUR SHIT  DO NOT TOUCH THIS I AM NOT RESPONSIBLE IF YOU DO
Gox Data leak
http://89.248.171.30/MtGox2014Leak.zip
WARNING UNLESS YOU REALLY KNOW YOUR SHIT  DO NOT TOUCH THIS I AM NOT RESPONSIBLE IF YOU DO

[itsunderstood]

[...]

We have plenty of tinfoil conspiracy theory threads

[...]

Tinfoil, is dismissive, frankly.  What you got against tin?

Well anyway, mtgox recovery, is not a thread that can be useful, witness that you have ten of tem.  So, let this one be the "giant crime story" thread.  Because, the more laserbeam like heat you get on it, the better for the results.  Or, maybe its better just to let it go.  I guess lots of BTC holders would like to forget gox.  I guess thats also a viable idea, but the magnitude of the theft is just so bad for emerging tech that I think "SERVICE" is the whole point, meaning, exchanges need to provide better service, and part of that is all the ID stalling crap.

Everyone knows money laundering is how the world runs.  Pretending to fight it is just being a stupid tool.

[Luno]

Tinfoil hats are in reality made of Aluminium foil! They are just called tin foil hats to confuse conspiracy nuts.

[V4Vendettas]

[...]

We have plenty of tinfoil conspiracy theory threads

[...]

Tinfoil, is dismissive, frankly.  What you got against tin?

Well anyway, mtgox recovery, is not a thread that can be useful, witness that you have ten of tem.  So, let this one be the "giant crime story" thread.  Because, the more laserbeam like heat you get on it, the better for the results.  Or, maybe its better just to let it go.  I guess lots of BTC holders would like to forget gox.  I guess thats also a viable idea, but the magnitude of the theft is just so bad for emerging tech that I think "SERVICE" is the whole point, meaning, exchanges need to provide better service, and part of that is all the ID stalling crap.

Everyone knows money laundering is how the world runs.  Pretending to fight it is just being a stupid tool.

Tinfoil may be interpreted as dismissive to you and you are welcome to assume I have something against them.

Speaking for myself however I honestly believe no tinfoil/aluminium Idea should be overlooked.

[itsunderstood]

Tinfoil hats are in reality made of Aluminium foil! They are just called tin foil hats to confuse conspiracy nuts.

Oh great, apply logic if you will, but the point is to ensure metal hat of some kind.  I myself use a tin pot, lined with aluminum.  And since I never trusted Gox, it worked.

[raskul]

Tinfoil hats are in reality made of Aluminium foil! They are just called tin foil hats to confuse conspiracy nuts.

Oh great, apply logic if you will, but the point is to ensure metal hat of some kind.  I myself use a tin pot, lined with aluminum.  And since I never trusted Gox, it worked.

my tinfoil hat is lined with rubber - just in case i get struck by lightning. 

[itsunderstood]

Tinfoil hats are in reality made of Aluminium foil! They are just called tin foil hats to confuse conspiracy nuts.

Oh great, apply logic if you will, but the point is to ensure metal hat of some kind.  I myself use a tin pot, lined with aluminum.  And since I never trusted Gox, it worked.

my tinfoil hat is lined with rubber - just in case i get struck by lightning. 

Soon, I understand govt's will be issuing them to the people.  Watch out because the government versions are purposefully not as good.

[Luno]

Sorry for my OT on tin foil hats.

Normally not considered Kosher to post anything from Buttcoin.org but this is relevant:

http://buttcoin.org/pirateat40-became-bill-cosby-coins

It's court transcripts on the SEC trial against Trendon Shavers. Which shows how Gox possible  was involved in market manipulation. They should at least have put two and two together when Trendon Shavers bragged about how he controlled the market through some un named whale on Gox with customer funds.

[itsunderstood]

Sorry for my OT on tin foil hats.

Normally not considered Kosher to post anything from Buttcoin.org but this is relevant:

http://buttcoin.org/pirateat40-became-bill-cosby-coins

It's court transcripts on the SEC trial against Trendon Shavers. Which shows how Gox possible  was involved in market manipulation. They should at least have put two and two together when Trendon Shavers bragged about how he controlled the market through some un named whale on Gox with customer funds.

Not hard to understand what a cornered market can produce.  I mean, theft is what fortunes are built on.  Well, until the people wield a few more crowbars on people like this guy, people who have some subconscious itch to just steal and steal and then beg for mercy...

Anyway, your post is completely tin foiled and baked in conspira-sauce. 

[chocomav]

Interesting Techcrunch article:

http://techcrunch.com/2014/03/09/mt-gox-hack-allegedly-reveals-bitcoin-balances-customer-account-totals/

According to the article:

Anonymous hackers have defaced Mt.Gox CEO Mark Karpeles’ blog and have uploaded a data dump of customer data that, according to users with accounts on the site, is accurate. A Reddit user created an Excel spreadsheet [mirror] of anonymized user accounts with balances, and many current Mt.Gox users have found their balances present.

The text of the post reads [NSFW]:

*** SAVE THIS POST, MIRROR THE FILES, REPOST, SHARE AND KEEP THIS DATA AVAILABLE ***

http://blog.magicaltux.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/MtGox2014Leak.zip

http://89.248.171.30/MtGox2014Leak.zip

First and foremost, this is not Mark Karpeles. Fuck that bitch-titted motherfucker.
It’s time that MTGOX got the bitcoin communities wrath instead of Bitcoin Community getting Goxed. This release would have been sooner, but in spirit of responsible disclosure and making sure all of ducks were in a row, it took a few days longer than would have liked to verify the data.
Above you will finding download link and a mirror used without asking from Mark Karpeles very own blog.magicaltux.net.
Included in this download you will find relevant database dumps, csv exports, specialized tools, and some highlighted summaries compiled from data. Keeping in line with fucking Gox alone, no user database dumps have been included.
Repost and share this info before it’s gone. Lots of people, including us, lost money and coins. Upvote this post.
We stole no bitcoins. There were none to steal. If you want to donate, you can keep us full of pizzas and beers by sending coins here, 1859rayqN1X7DYjD1BrAHm4vaQxoUhhzsN .
Balance SUM for ALL USERS by currency.
[][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][]
Currency: AUD Balance: 924,124.65121
Currency: BTC Balance: 951,116.21905382 <– That fat fuck has been lying!!
Currency: CAD Balance: 320,184.36558
Currency: CHF Balance: 99,487.07308
Currency: CNY Balance: 297,775.78994
Currency: DKK Balance: 112,264.56207
Currency: EUR Balance: 5,634,625.59531
Currency: GBP Balance: 921,892.96793
Currency: HKD Balance: 740,519.14894
Currency: JPY Balance: 384,885,150.13700
Currency: NOK Balance: 91,346.00305
Currency: NZD Balance: 58,224.95320
Currency: PLN Balance: 1,645,194.67364
Currency: RUB Balance: 551,162.54477
Currency: SEK Balance: 15,335.84383
Currency: SGD Balance: 43,193.59706
Currency: THB Balance: 666,464.33497
Currency: USD Balance: 30,611,805.67481
[][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][]
Total BTC Deposits: 19,065,241.307202
Total BTC Withdrawl: 18,563,466.149383
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BTC Difference: 501,775.157819
[][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][]

The most important number, obviously, is the 951,116.21905382 balance. As you recall, Mt.Gox filed for bankruptcy while stating a 850,000 BTC loss. This would suggest Karpeles’ estimates were off by a large margin. Whether all of this is accurate or not is an entirely different manner. What the leak does show us is how easy it was to grab nearly all of Mt.Gox’s user data as well as how hardened Karpeles’ blog was. Furthermore, the files contain the app Mt.Gox admins used to manage transfers. A screenshot appears below.



Who hacked Mt.Gox? The leak contains some clues. A visit to the above-mentioned mirror brings a link to the zip file and a note: “I hated working with you. You deserve everything you get for what you did.”