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January 23, 2014, 05:57:53 PM
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Looking at the graphs page on my P2Pool site I have some questions.

I set one of my avy's to a different wallet ID. The avy does 106~107GH/s, I see the hashing graph which has -mean 106GH/s. The other bar graph below it that I guess is for the BTC's (it show's BTCs on my main wallet ID) is completely blank, there isn't even the slightest blue line. I wonder if this is a fault in the data making not appear normally or if it's something else?

If you want to see what I mean have a look at my page. You can see the main wallet which shows the data under its hashing data, but the second one shows nothing under its hashing data.

Thanks

http://p2pool.smoothrunnings.ca:9332/
 



How about here
http://p2pool.smoothrunnings.ca:9332/static/graphs.html?Day

When I look under the BTC that starts with 1JiWF, I see the hashing graph, but the graph below it hasn't started displaying anything since I started it last night. I still don't see anything now even clicking on the link you posted from my site. I use Google Chrome.
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January 23, 2014, 06:05:54 PM
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Looking at the graphs page on my P2Pool site I have some questions.

I set one of my avy's to a different wallet ID. The avy does 106~107GH/s, I see the hashing graph which has -mean 106GH/s. The other bar graph below it that I guess is for the BTC's (it show's BTCs on my main wallet ID) is completely blank, there isn't even the slightest blue line. I wonder if this is a fault in the data making not appear normally or if it's something else?

If you want to see what I mean have a look at my page. You can see the main wallet which shows the data under its hashing data, but the second one shows nothing under its hashing data.

Thanks

http://p2pool.smoothrunnings.ca:9332/
 



How about here
http://p2pool.smoothrunnings.ca:9332/static/graphs.html?Day

When I look under the BTC that starts with 1JiWF, I see the hashing graph, but the graph below it hasn't started displaying anything since I started it last night. I still don't see anything now even clicking on the link you posted from my site. I use Google Chrome.

My guess is that you have the same problem as I had and haven't been on long enough, it'll probably show up after your first payout. Here's where I was earlier this week (http://196.2.147.115:9332/static/graphs.html?Week) and hashed for 24hrs and the graph also didn't show up... I was the only one one the pool.

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January 23, 2014, 06:07:58 PM
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Hi All

my stats page isnt working all i get is the template with no data ?



My rig is windows and the pool is mining no problem at all. I installed python, twisted etc per the guides.

Anyone have any ideas how I cna make it display the stats ?
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January 24, 2014, 04:06:25 AM
Last edit: January 24, 2014, 05:00:57 AM by nreal
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Looking at the graphs page on my P2Pool site I have some questions.

I set one of my avy's to a different wallet ID. The avy does 106~107GH/s, I see the hashing graph which has -mean 106GH/s. The other bar graph below it that I guess is for the BTC's (it show's BTCs on my main wallet ID) is completely blank, there isn't even the slightest blue line. I wonder if this is a fault in the data making not appear normally or if it's something else?

If you want to see what I mean have a look at my page. You can see the main wallet which shows the data under its hashing data, but the second one shows nothing under its hashing data.

Thanks

http://p2pool.smoothrunnings.ca:9332/
 



100 Gh isnt enough to be mining on a p2pool, you wil get 0-2 shares a day, 500Gh is the reasonable minimium to be able to get ~10 shares a day, it can be several days witout a share on a 100Gh. If you start up with a 100Gh, you wont be able to get the best out of your p2pool node - theres alot settings you can tune - but not without shares.

Theres also that - when you have good luck and p2pool have bad luck, and when p2pool have good luck and you have bad situation, not to mention that if you get your only share just when a block is found -> its orphan then Smiley

Share difficulty is skyhigh, If you want to make coins with 100gh theres other pools that pay for every share + you get namecoins aswell for your efforts  Cheesy

If its 0.03 you get from a normal pool / day with 100Gh, let me say one day without a share on a p2pool 6 blocks found, next day 1 orphan 1 good -blocks found 2, third day 3 shares no blocks. On a normal pool its 0.09 on p2pool its ~0.01, is 100Gh enough? If the third day end up with 5 blocks it could be ~ 0.04- 0.07 for those three days.

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January 24, 2014, 04:54:44 AM
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100 Gh isnt enough to be mining on a p2pool

Sigh, this same myth keeps getting repeated over and over again.  100 GH (or really any GH) is just fine with p2pool, as long as you realize that your normal $23/day mining revenue will fluctuate from day to day, not get paid every single day like clockwork. Over the course of a few weeks you will get close to what you expect. It just requires a bit of patience.

The only real downside is that it takes some resources (computer, bandwidth, time) to run a p2pool node and maybe it isn't worth it for a $23/day operation.

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January 24, 2014, 05:24:59 AM
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100 Gh isnt enough to be mining on a p2pool

Sigh, this same myth keeps getting repeated over and over again.  100 GH (or really any GH) is just fine with p2pool, as long as you realize that your normal $23/day mining revenue will fluctuate from day to day, not get paid every single day like clockwork. Over the course of a few weeks you will get close to what you expect. It just requires a bit of patience.

The only real downside is that it takes some resources (computer, bandwidth, time) to run a p2pool node and maybe it isn't worth it for a $23/day operation.



I wonder why theres not 5000 miners on p2pool, is it because of people cant do the math. Or is it because the difficulty rises every ~10 days and time is money?
Or what do you think the reason might be?

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January 24, 2014, 05:39:52 AM
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I wonder why theres not 5000 miners on p2pool, is it because of people cant do the math. Or is it because the difficulty rises every ~10 days and time is money?
Or what do you think the reason might be?

Put that way, the answer has to be that people can't do math.

Difficulty rising will reduce your earnings no matter how you mine. Unless of course you upgrade, which is what a lot of people end up doing (otherwise you won't me a miner for long), in which case again you are looking at a long term proposition to smooth out short term fluctuations in your earnings.

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January 24, 2014, 05:54:38 AM
Last edit: January 24, 2014, 06:28:25 AM by nreal
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I wonder why theres not 5000 miners on p2pool, is it because of people cant do the math. Or is it because the difficulty rises every ~10 days and time is money?
Or what do you think the reason might be?

Put that way, the answer has to be that people can't do math.

Difficulty rising will reduce your earnings no matter how you mine. Unless of course you upgrade, which is what a lot of people end up doing (otherwise you won't me a miner for long), in which case again you are looking at a long term proposition to smooth out short term fluctuations in your earnings.



Oh no, I realised that im getting allmost nothing on p2pool with 120gh nowdays - so I swiched to another pool, and now I can expect ~0.10 / 3 days.

p2pool earnings with 120gh - its easy to notice that I was loosing day by day - little but still loosing

2014-01-19 17:13:20
0.00477012 BTC

2014-01-18 23:41:08
0.00479305 BTC
0.00477196 BTC

2014-01-17 06:18:47
0.01245325 BTC

2014-01-16 12:55:33
0.02006893 BTC

2014-01-15 11:45:28
0.01547546 BTC
0.0154557 BTC
0.01545295 BTC

2014-01-14 19:14:27
0.0041062 BTC
0.00410603 BTC


On a normal pool it looks like this:

2014-01-20 12:08:01
0.04748497 BTC

2014-01-21 12:53:48
0.043208 BTC

2014-01-22 18:32:54
0.04321408 BTC

So..


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January 24, 2014, 06:16:18 AM
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You were not "losing day by day." What you had was the normal random fluctuations (and not even that much fluctuation).  From the 14th to the 16th your earnings went up, then from the 16th to the 18th they went down. Overall you probably got about what you were supposed to. If you stick with it your earnings will continue to go up and down a little, and again you will get about what you are supposed to (which is more than other pools since you won't pay pool fees, and won't ever suffer losses from a pool being dishonest or getting hacked).

p2pool earnings with 120gh - its easy to notice that I was loosing day by day - little but still loosing

2014-01-19 17:13:20
0.00477012 BTC

2014-01-18 23:41:08
0.00479305 BTC
0.00477196 BTC

2014-01-17 06:18:47
0.01245325 BTC

2014-01-16 12:55:33
0.02006893 BTC

2014-01-15 11:45:28
0.01547546 BTC
0.0154557 BTC
0.01545295 BTC

2014-01-14 19:14:27
0.0041062 BTC
0.00410603 BTC






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January 24, 2014, 06:32:20 AM
Last edit: January 24, 2014, 07:14:09 AM by nreal
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You were not "losing day by day." What you had was the normal random fluctuations (and not even that much fluctuation).  From the 14th to the 16th your earnings went up, then from the 16th to the 18th they went down. Overall you probably got about what you were supposed to. If you stick with it your earnings will continue to go up and down a little, and again you will get about what you are supposed to (which is more than other pools since you won't pay pool fees, and won't ever suffer losses from a pool being dishonest or getting hacked).

p2pool earnings with 120gh - its easy to notice that I was loosing day by day - little but still loosing

2014-01-19 17:13:20
0.00477012 BTC

2014-01-18 23:41:08
0.00479305 BTC
0.00477196 BTC

2014-01-17 06:18:47
0.01245325 BTC

2014-01-16 12:55:33
0.02006893 BTC

2014-01-15 11:45:28
0.01547546 BTC
0.0154557 BTC
0.01545295 BTC

2014-01-14 19:14:27
0.0041062 BTC
0.00410603 BTC

On a normal pool like this below :

2014-01-20 12:08:01
0.04748497 BTC

2014-01-21 12:53:48
0.043208 BTC

2014-01-22 18:32:54
0.04321408 BTC

So..




Yeah well, i like p2pool - but my 120gh isnt enough.
Waiting for more power to be able to be back.

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You were not "losing day by day." What you had was the normal random fluctuations (and not even that much fluctuation).  From the 14th to the 16th your earnings went up, then from the 16th to the 18th they went down. Overall you probably got about what you were supposed to. If you stick with it your earnings will continue to go up and down a little, and again you will get about what you are supposed to (which is more than other pools since you won't pay pool fees, and won't ever suffer losses from a pool being dishonest or getting hacked).


Its the same to me if theres a small fee, nothing comes for free but bad taste into mounth sometimes.


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January 24, 2014, 08:00:28 AM
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I've searched for an answer to this, but I haven't found it...

I'm running a P2Pool node.  I realize I can set difficulty using address+XXXX  where XXXX is a user specified difficulty. 

Is there any reason other than seeing a 'smooth' graph to set difficulty any lower than the share difficulty?  My Pseudoshares at difficulty 128 or whatever really mean nothing other than it updates the graphs showing my miner is doing work.

If I were to set the pseudoshare difficulty to the share difficulty [currently 873000], is there any downside?  I'd save in some bandwidth, seems like it would save all the trouble of sending shares in when they don't really mean anything.  I'd edit the code so as share difficulty fluctuates the difficulty for pseudoshares would fluctuate as well sent to my miners...Is this a crazy thing to do?

Thanks,

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January 24, 2014, 08:09:14 AM
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I've searched for an answer to this, but I haven't found it...

I'm running a P2Pool node.  I realize I can set difficulty using address+XXXX  where XXXX is a user specified difficulty. 

Is there any reason other than seeing a 'smooth' graph to set difficulty any lower than the share difficulty?  My Pseudoshares at difficulty 128 or whatever really mean nothing other than it updates the graphs showing my miner is doing work.

If I were to set the pseudoshare difficulty to the share difficulty [currently 873000], is there any downside?  I'd save in some bandwidth, seems like it would save all the trouble of sending shares in when they don't really mean anything.  I'd edit the code so as share difficulty fluctuates the difficulty for pseudoshares would fluctuate as well sent to my miners...Is this a crazy thing to do?

Thanks,

Zach
If you don't mind losing the stats, you can certainly set it that high. There are no other downsides. Are your miners on a separate network from the p2pool node? I don't see why you'd need to save bandwidth if they were on the same network.

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January 24, 2014, 08:21:59 AM
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If I were to set the pseudoshare difficulty to the share difficulty [currently 873000], is there any downside?

One downside is that you won't see any evidence if things aren't working. In fact I'm not sure how the miners work exactly but it seems like they might not failover under some conditions if they don't have the opportunity to try get new work and have it fail, so your miners might continue mining on a down pool.

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I've searched for an answer to this, but I haven't found it...

I'm running a P2Pool node.  I realize I can set difficulty using address+XXXX  where XXXX is a user specified difficulty. 

Is there any reason other than seeing a 'smooth' graph to set difficulty any lower than the share difficulty?  My Pseudoshares at difficulty 128 or whatever really mean nothing other than it updates the graphs showing my miner is doing work.

If I were to set the pseudoshare difficulty to the share difficulty [currently 873000], is there any downside?  I'd save in some bandwidth, seems like it would save all the trouble of sending shares in when they don't really mean anything.  I'd edit the code so as share difficulty fluctuates the difficulty for pseudoshares would fluctuate as well sent to my miners...Is this a crazy thing to do?

Thanks,

Zach
If you don't mind losing the stats, you can certainly set it that high. There are no other downsides. Are your miners on a separate network from the p2pool node? I don't see why you'd need to save bandwidth if they were on the same network.


They're actually not on the same network, the P2Pool node is hosted at a large datacenter, my miner is at home on a business broadband connection.  I'm about 64ms rtt away.  I'm mining with about 450 GH/s.  I was thinking the ASICs would be more busy mining and less busy reporting to cgminer 'results' -- IE, I'd keep them heads-down mining by not having them report proof of work as often.  But I suspect the reporting every few seconds probably isn't much of a slowdown, with new work every ~30sec, they have to pause a bit anyway...

Thanks for the input, I was mainly trying to verify my understanding -- mostly academic, I kinda like knowing from the graphs it *is* doing something by reporting  Smiley

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January 24, 2014, 11:44:53 AM
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Hello Forum. This is my first post here and i hope it is the right place  Smiley

Can anybody tell me, how a p2pool-node is "defined", by his IP, his payout-address or by some data stored in the data-dir?

i asked, because i want to migrate a p2pool-node from one hardware-machine to another and i dont want to setup a new node. i want to MIGRATE the node with all its shares and so on.

i know i can copy the data dir from the old node to the new one. but is it still the same node for the p2pool network?

Thank you!

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January 24, 2014, 11:48:47 AM
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Looking at the graphs page on my P2Pool site I have some questions.

I set one of my avy's to a different wallet ID. The avy does 106~107GH/s, I see the hashing graph which has -mean 106GH/s. The other bar graph below it that I guess is for the BTC's (it show's BTCs on my main wallet ID) is completely blank, there isn't even the slightest blue line. I wonder if this is a fault in the data making not appear normally or if it's something else?

If you want to see what I mean have a look at my page. You can see the main wallet which shows the data under its hashing data, but the second one shows nothing under its hashing data.

Thanks

http://p2pool.smoothrunnings.ca:9332/
 



100 Gh isnt enough to be mining on a p2pool, you wil get 0-2 shares a day, 500Gh is the reasonable minimium to be able to get ~10 shares a day, it can be several days witout a share on a 100Gh. If you start up with a 100Gh, you wont be able to get the best out of your p2pool node - theres alot settings you can tune - but not without shares.

Theres also that - when you have good luck and p2pool have bad luck, and when p2pool have good luck and you have bad situation, not to mention that if you get your only share just when a block is found -> its orphan then Smiley

Share difficulty is skyhigh, If you want to make coins with 100gh theres other pools that pay for every share + you get namecoins aswell for your efforts  Cheesy

If its 0.03 you get from a normal pool / day with 100Gh, let me say one day without a share on a p2pool 6 blocks found, next day 1 orphan 1 good -blocks found 2, third day 3 shares no blocks. On a normal pool its 0.09 on p2pool its ~0.01, is 100Gh enough? If the third day end up with 5 blocks it could be ~ 0.04- 0.07 for those three days.

Just as your name account status points out, you are a "newbie", you don't know what your talking about. When you have some RL experience come back and lets talk. Smiley

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January 24, 2014, 11:51:40 AM
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100 Gh isnt enough to be mining on a p2pool

Sigh, this same myth keeps getting repeated over and over again.  100 GH (or really any GH) is just fine with p2pool, as long as you realize that your normal $23/day mining revenue will fluctuate from day to day, not get paid every single day like clockwork. Over the course of a few weeks you will get close to what you expect. It just requires a bit of patience.

The only real downside is that it takes some resources (computer, bandwidth, time) to run a p2pool node and maybe it isn't worth it for a $23/day operation.



I am not sure where you get 23$ a day from? I think my P2Pool costs me less than that a day, the computer I am using is fan-less and only uses at the most 3watts of power. Since I pay for my internet already the cost of internet is really marginal.

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January 24, 2014, 11:57:13 AM
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You were not "losing day by day." What you had was the normal random fluctuations (and not even that much fluctuation).  From the 14th to the 16th your earnings went up, then from the 16th to the 18th they went down. Overall you probably got about what you were supposed to. If you stick with it your earnings will continue to go up and down a little, and again you will get about what you are supposed to (which is more than other pools since you won't pay pool fees, and won't ever suffer losses from a pool being dishonest or getting hacked).

p2pool earnings with 120gh - its easy to notice that I was loosing day by day - little but still loosing

2014-01-19 17:13:20
0.00477012 BTC

2014-01-18 23:41:08
0.00479305 BTC
0.00477196 BTC

2014-01-17 06:18:47
0.01245325 BTC

2014-01-16 12:55:33
0.02006893 BTC

2014-01-15 11:45:28
0.01547546 BTC
0.0154557 BTC
0.01545295 BTC

2014-01-14 19:14:27
0.0041062 BTC
0.00410603 BTC

On a normal pool like this below :

2014-01-20 12:08:01
0.04748497 BTC

2014-01-21 12:53:48
0.043208 BTC

2014-01-22 18:32:54
0.04321408 BTC

So..




Yeah well, i like p2pool - but my 120gh isnt enough.
Waiting for more power to be able to be back.

Bitcoin mining isn't just about the number of hashes you can get out of your gear, it's also based on luck. There are still some people to this day who have been lucky enough to get more bitcoins than what they would normally get if the mined and that doesn't matter if you are mining at 335MH/s or 3TH/s.

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January 24, 2014, 12:02:55 PM
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I wonder why theres not 5000 miners on p2pool, is it because of people cant do the math. Or is it because the difficulty rises every ~10 days and time is money?
Or what do you think the reason might be?

Put that way, the answer has to be that people can't do math.

Difficulty rising will reduce your earnings no matter how you mine. Unless of course you upgrade, which is what a lot of people end up doing (otherwise you won't me a miner for long), in which case again you are looking at a long term proposition to smooth out short term fluctuations in your earnings.



Oh no, I realised that im getting allmost nothing on p2pool with 120gh nowdays - so I swiched to another pool, and now I can expect ~0.10 / 3 days.

p2pool earnings with 120gh - its easy to notice that I was loosing day by day - little but still loosing

2014-01-19 17:13:20
0.00477012 BTC

2014-01-18 23:41:08
0.00479305 BTC
0.00477196 BTC

2014-01-17 06:18:47
0.01245325 BTC

2014-01-16 12:55:33
0.02006893 BTC

2014-01-15 11:45:28
0.01547546 BTC
0.0154557 BTC
0.01545295 BTC

2014-01-14 19:14:27
0.0041062 BTC
0.00410603 BTC


On a normal pool it looks like this:

2014-01-20 12:08:01
0.04748497 BTC

2014-01-21 12:53:48
0.043208 BTC

2014-01-22 18:32:54
0.04321408 BTC

So..



You MUST be vigilant with P2Pool, you aren't going to see the real profit from it until you have run it for at least 30 days.

Note, this is from the following post: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=153232.0

Patience

If you are beginning on P2Pool you should expect irregular payments which can be frustrating. P2Pool is attracting more and more hashrate (from a low 200GH/s in March 2013 to a high 1.4TH/s in July 2013) but its variance is still somewhat high.

First you should be prepared to mine for a couple of days to check that your configuration is good enough (study the efficiency value displayed by your node's main page). If your efficiency is near or above 100%, you can expect more income on P2Pool than in most traditional pools. The only question for you is how long you are willing to wait for variance becoming negligible. On P2Pool with the current hashrate, you should expect to be in the 80-120% luck range in a couple of weeks. I've never seen P2Pool get <80% luck during more than a month. In 6 months I've seen both near 120% luck in a month and near 80% luck in another. As I wrote elsewhere: add your hashrate by joining us and variance will go down!

Note: P2Pool's payment method is PPLNS, with its current configuration you have to wait approximately 72 hours (on Bitcoin, this changes with other coins) to get the first "full" payments. These payments are mined coins (unlike most other pools), they are usable after 120 confirmations not 6 (but you get them as soon as the block is found which makes them usable as quickly as most other pools).
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