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Author Topic: [1500 TH] p2pool: Decentralized, DoS-resistant, Hop-Proof pool  (Read 2035321 times)
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October 18, 2013, 09:46:37 PM
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I have someone on my pool that didn't use payout ID as username, so it was credited to my address by default.

Is there something I can do on this signature to make it more clear how to use?  (he was getting like 64ghash with 3ghash DOA, avalon?)

Dacentec, best deals for US dedicated servers. They regularly restock $20-$25 Opterons with 8-16GB RAM & 2x1-2TB HDD's (ofc, usually lots of other good stuff to choose from).  I did a Serverbear benchmark of one of my $20/mo Opteron (June last year), it's here.  Have had about a half dozen different servers with Dacentec, & none have failed to sustain at least 40MB/s (burst higher). My favorite is a 12-month rent-to-own ZT Systems 2XL5520 16GB 2x2TB SATA for $40/month (got lucky with the 'off-brand', haven't seen a RTO 2xL5520 for under $50/mo since -- at least for monthly contracts).  wholesaleinternet.com has some ancient 2-core intel CPUs @ $10/mo sometimes (I got an Intel Core 2 6300 @ 1.86GHz, with a 250GB HDD with 46000 hours on it, LOL. $20 @ Dacentec is much better, if you can grab one). joesdatacenter.com (same location as Wholesale Internet) also occasionally has specials (or if you don't want to wait, it has an AMD Opteron 170 @ $16/mo).
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October 18, 2013, 10:48:50 PM
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I have someone on my pool that didn't use payout ID as username, so it was credited to my address by default.

Is there something I can do on this signature to make it more clear how to use?  (he was getting like 64ghash with 3ghash DOA, avalon?)

Another Mr T quote?

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October 19, 2013, 05:49:50 AM
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I have someone on my pool that didn't use payout ID as username, so it was credited to my address by default.

Is there something I can do on this signature to make it more clear how to use?  (he was getting like 64ghash with 3ghash DOA, avalon?)

Another Mr T quote?
Mr. T pities the fool that doesn't use bitcoin (ed: or quarkcoin, for quark side) payout address as userid?

 Grin

anyway, next time I restart i'll change default payout address to the donation address

Dacentec, best deals for US dedicated servers. They regularly restock $20-$25 Opterons with 8-16GB RAM & 2x1-2TB HDD's (ofc, usually lots of other good stuff to choose from).  I did a Serverbear benchmark of one of my $20/mo Opteron (June last year), it's here.  Have had about a half dozen different servers with Dacentec, & none have failed to sustain at least 40MB/s (burst higher). My favorite is a 12-month rent-to-own ZT Systems 2XL5520 16GB 2x2TB SATA for $40/month (got lucky with the 'off-brand', haven't seen a RTO 2xL5520 for under $50/mo since -- at least for monthly contracts).  wholesaleinternet.com has some ancient 2-core intel CPUs @ $10/mo sometimes (I got an Intel Core 2 6300 @ 1.86GHz, with a 250GB HDD with 46000 hours on it, LOL. $20 @ Dacentec is much better, if you can grab one). joesdatacenter.com (same location as Wholesale Internet) also occasionally has specials (or if you don't want to wait, it has an AMD Opteron 170 @ $16/mo).
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October 19, 2013, 08:40:00 AM
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I love my p2pool, ty so much for writing it. I wish I could still use it.

However my 30x333 MHz of around 10gh processing is now at this 268m difficulty, failing to get a share before p2pool finds a block, so I'm no longer getting any payouts. I've missed four in in row, after a couple of months getting in nearly every payout, bar two I think.

Unless I'm wrong, I have had to stop using p2pool and move to a smaller pool that still pays pplns.
You'll still get paid— but as your correct payout falls too low you won't get paid every block. Instead, you'll get shares here and there and get paid way more while those are in the window than your hashrate would suggest, offsetting when you didn't get paid. On average your expected income is the same, just with somewhat higher variance.    This is how p2pool avoids creating potentially infinitely large coinbase transactions that pay out really tiny dust (not to mention keeping the sharechain datarate sane).
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October 19, 2013, 01:50:13 PM
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I'm sure I read somewhere on the P2Pool forum site that you had to get at least one share in a block to receive a payout, but I I cant get a share fast enough so I would therefore never get a payout I assumed. Sorry to ask questions that may seem obvious to you, but I really did like P2pool and I want to stay with it, but ofc I need to be 100% I will eventually get my rewards for what ever processing power I put in.
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October 19, 2013, 01:53:58 PM
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No. Not "whatever power".
To get payout you need find at leas one valid share.
Share diff is like 100k now. So you have to find share that big.
If you have only few MH/s if can take... days. So you will get reward for up to 3 blocks after you find share but not longer than 3 days.

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October 19, 2013, 02:08:33 PM
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So as I originally said as I have 10 gh and now don't seem to find a share before p2pool finds a block I can't get paid out.
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October 19, 2013, 02:31:11 PM
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So as I originally said as I have 10 gh and now don't seem to find a share before p2pool finds a block I can't get paid out.

Look up, gmaxwell just explained it.  You don't need to find a share every block, or even every 3 days.  You will find a share and be paid, you will just have a lot of variance.

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October 19, 2013, 03:17:51 PM
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So as I originally said as I have 10 gh and now don't seem to find a share before p2pool finds a block I can't get paid out.

Look up, gmaxwell just explained it.  You don't need to find a share every block, or even every 3 days.  You will find a share and be paid, you will just have a lot of variance.

Thanks, I had read what he said, I also read the posts after him, who said I need a share to be paid out. And therein my reply to that.

As I said at the start I really like p2pool, thanks for all the replies from you hero members. I will transfer my 10 Gh back to my own p2pool and see what happens after a week with regard to payouts. I will repost here.

Ty all so much for your advice.
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October 20, 2013, 10:31:39 AM
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So as I originally said as I have 10 gh and now don't seem to find a share before p2pool finds a block I can't get paid out.

Look up, gmaxwell just explained it.  You don't need to find a share every block, or even every 3 days.  You will find a share and be paid, you will just have a lot of variance.

Thanks, I had read what he said, I also read the posts after him, who said I need a share to be paid out. And therein my reply to that.

As I said at the start I really like p2pool, thanks for all the replies from you hero members. I will transfer my 10 Gh back to my own p2pool and see what happens after a week with regard to payouts. I will repost here.

Ty all so much for your advice.

Rluner , you should get a similar payout to me dude , it got as high as 0.014

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October 20, 2013, 11:25:08 AM
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Ok is anyone else experiencing issues with KNCminers on p2pool? low hashrate etc??

Have public p2pool node here http://fuzzypool.mine.bz/ mining BTC, NMC, DVC, IXC, I0C, coiledcoins

Someone I am working with tried pointing their KNC Saturn that gets 320GH on 50BTC pool but 60-120GH when pointing at my pool.

Just wondering if it an issue with p2pool?? and if other users have experienced the same... seems one other person has :

thanks for sharing experience.

I agree on what you say and I see that -if this would be applied by all- we would end up with one centralized pool in control of everything
therefore I see a need for a next step in evolution, from solo-mining to pool-mining to decentralized p2pool/solo-mining

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p2pool doesn't work well with KnCMiners right now, do not wast GH/s (just in case one might think I'm suggesting to use it)

Any ideas??

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October 20, 2013, 11:52:13 AM
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Yeah, p2pool sucks for ASICs.  Doesn't work with anything that's got a semi-decent hashrate.  Doesn't work with ASICMiner Blades, doesn't works terribly well with Avalon, and seems to not work with KnC now either...

I loved the idea of p2pool, but it's problems with ASIC means I'm out of there and mining on a 'real' pool.  I would, and probably a lot of others, would return if those issues were fixed (or even acknowledged and being worked on).
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October 20, 2013, 12:28:14 PM
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Yeah, p2pool sucks for ASICs.  Doesn't work with anything that's got a semi-decent hashrate.  Doesn't work with ASICMiner Blades, doesn't works terribly well with Avalon, and seems to not work with KnC now either...

I loved the idea of p2pool, but it's problems with ASIC means I'm out of there and mining on a 'real' pool.  I would, and probably a lot of others, would return if those issues were fixed (or even acknowledged and being worked on).

+1  This is the reason I shut my node down - none of the newer hardware works with it correctly & unfortunately it has been this way for many, many months, with not much done about it. Scrolling back through this thread I see plenty of miners complaining about lack of hardware support, nothing was done so they moved on. This is why p2pool is so small, and will stay small, which is a shame. It's a brilliant idea that perfectly suits the Bitcoin decentralisation ethos - but this lack of compatibility issue will be it's undoing I'm afraid  Sad

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October 20, 2013, 12:31:01 PM
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There is light at the end of the tunnel. Hashfast's ASICs will have a fast longpoll/block change/flush work implementation and it looks like Cointerra's will too.

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October 20, 2013, 12:34:39 PM
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There is light at the end of the tunnel. Hashfast's ASICs will have a fast longpoll/block change/flush work implementation and it looks like Cointerra's will too.

Doesn't help the thousands of miners using the currently available ASICs, though.  There's a LOT of folks out there with ASICMiner Blades...
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October 20, 2013, 12:44:13 PM
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Yup, if a pool is going to grow & be successful it has to be compatible with all mining hardware - not just a select 2 or 3 (if you're lucky). I doubt that everyone who buys the Cointerra or Hashfast units will come flooding to p2pool to rescue it.....

Presuming they will work with p2pool of course.

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October 20, 2013, 01:14:29 PM
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Probably not, since setting up ASICs isn't like setting up a GPU farm  Wink

It's much easier to pay someone some fee rather than actually figure out how p2pool works (omg, how come i'm not getting paid when i've been mining for 3 hrs at 5ghash and block was found?? wtfz)

i suspect to your 'average' user, it's just a bunch of jibber jabber

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October 20, 2013, 01:21:04 PM
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The fault lay with the hardware manufacturers, not p2pool, as p2pool was around long before they started making their ASICs. If all the newer hardware follows the same pattern, things will only improve, and old hardware becomes irrelevant very fast in this world anyway.

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October 20, 2013, 01:41:00 PM
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The fault lay with the hardware manufacturers, not p2pool, as p2pool was around long before they started making their ASICs. If all the newer hardware follows the same pattern, things will only improve, and old hardware becomes irrelevant very fast in this world anyway.

Agreed, but pool software should be able to adapt to newer hardware - which p2pool does not do. Other pools adapt - that's why they are more successful/bigger.

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October 20, 2013, 02:12:33 PM
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The fault lay with the hardware manufacturers, not p2pool, as p2pool was around long before they started making their ASICs. If all the newer hardware follows the same pattern, things will only improve, and old hardware becomes irrelevant very fast in this world anyway.

Agreed, but pool software should be able to adapt to newer hardware - which p2pool does not do. Other pools adapt - that's why they are more successful/bigger.

Exactly.  I can point my Blades to any other pool, be it one with a getwork interface, or any stratum pool via a stratum proxy, and guess what?  It works.  ONLY p2pool shit's it's lips when presented an ASICMiner (or KnC it seems).

As usual, ck, you're skirting round an issue and making excuses, rather than fixing the issue - amazing as it isn't even YOUR issue this time...
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