[1500 TH] p2pool: Decentralized, DoS-resistant, Hop-Proof pool

[jonnybravo0311]

How many of you try to find nodes close to you and add them to your nodes when you run your node with --p2pool-node?

I've got my own nodes doing that, I have a couple nearby that I have added also. how advantageous is it exactly to do so do you think? does it make a huge difference?

Hey guys... Newbie... running on windows machine, how would I run the command for the nodes?? my machine is just picking up a large group and I have no idea from where??? And help in that area would be great! Thanks....

Code:

run_p2pool.py --p2pool-node pool1:port --p2pool-node pool2:port ...

OK one more thing please.... is there an advantage to running more then 1 pool at a time? in your explanation (run_p2pool.py --p2pool-node pool1:port --p2pool-node pool2:port)
it looks as if you are starting up 2 or 3 nodes? or is that 2 or 3 nodes that you are adding from other people to pool together??? and if thats the case can you use any port? and where do you find nodes to work with? Thanks for clearing it up a bit....

BY THE WAY... You guys are all so helpful and I have learned so much about the shares and the blocks and payouts from all of you!!!!!! THANKS

I'm only starting a single instance of p2pool (for BTC) with that command.  I'm telling it to add the nodes specified by poo1:port.  As windpath explained, if you wanted to connect to his node, you would specify it in the argument to --p2pool-node.  Port is by default 9332, but some pool operators might choose to forward another port.  If you want to run separate pools, you can do that, too.  The standard code has setups for BTC and LTC.  Alternatively, you can get rav3n's fork which has support for pretty much every coin in existence.  This is a bit different than merge-mining - which uses your hashing not only on BTC, but also on other SHA-256 coins (NMC, DVC, IXC, I0C, FSC, HUC) as well.

I'm glad we've been able to help.

[windpath]

Please check my maths!

As a developer its weird to say that math has never been my strong point...

I've finished the "above the fold" portion of my version of p2pool.info.

When complete there will be tabs below with data on all found blocks, miners (active and past), and payouts.

But this above the fold part was the most challenging for me...

It is available now in a very BETA version here (url will likely change in the future):

http://minefast.coincadence.com/p2pool-stats.php



So... Our current luck stinks, but one thing that I know about luck; it is bound to change

I'd appreciate it if someone could confirm my math on the luck calculations for the current round and 7 days.

A basic explanation of my formulas are as follows:

Code:

current_round_luck_% = average_expected_time_to_block_since_last_found_block / elapsed_time_since_last_found_block 

Code:

7_day_luck_% = average_expected_time_to_block_last_7_days / average_elapsed_time_between_blocks_found_in_last_7_days

To me they look right, but it's always nice to get some extra eyes on it.

With the current data set (began collecting June 11th) 30 day luck will be accurate July 11th and higher graph resolutions will become available as time passes.

All data is auto-magically updated in near real-time.

More to come...

[ceslick]

Looks really good windpath! 

Can't comment on the math though

[murdof]

great work windpath!

windpath can I ask you something?

Are there RPC calls to p2pool to get data in JSON or other format?

Eg if i want to create a php script to query p2pool about my miner's hashrate where do I get this from?

thanks

[norgan]

great work windpath!

windpath can I ask you something?

Are there RPC calls to p2pool to get data in JSON or other format?

Eg if i want to create a php script to query p2pool about my miner's hashrate where do I get this from?

thanks

p2pool support json and is detailed here: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/P2Pool#Web_interface

Web interface

Lots of data and useful tools are available at http://127.0.0.1:9332/something:
## /static/ - Lots of information from shares to graphs to payouts.
## /rate
## /users
## /fee
## /current_payouts
## /patron_sendmany - Gives sendmany outputs for fair donations to P2Pool
## /global_stats
## /local_stats
## /peer_addresses
## /payout_addr
## /recent_blocks
## /uptime
## /web/log - Some different stats collected over the last day

Code:

web/graph_data/local_hash_rate/last_
web/graph_data/local_dead_hash_rate/last_

you may find examples of such in my front end in my sig and in the other p2pool front ends.

[windpath]

Thanks guys, still hoping someone can verify my math on the luck calculations.

The entire p2pool found block history is now live here

http://minefast.coincadence.com/p2pool-stats.php



I only have 1 orphan from May 13th 2014 (hash: 00000000000000000f5a5e5461473b8a7617a22ef07d51792c87526ade6f1b80). It should track orphans going forward (p2pool gets so few orphaned blocks that I have not yet been able to test with live data...), but the historical block data I was able to find did not contain orphans. If anyone has the hashes for older orphans I will be happy to add them to the dataset.

Hope to have miners and payouts live this week, if not, next week for sure....

Edit: Just browsing through old blocks, hope our next one looks like this!

[bryonp]

Hope to have miners and payouts live this week, if not, next week for sure....

Edit: Just browsing through old blocks, hope our next one looks like this!


[/quote]


God Help us we need to see a block!!!! or 2....

[windpath]

God Help us we need to see a block!!!! or 2....

Ask and you shall receive?

https://blockchain.info/block-index/440003/00000000000000001d2134e5e3d3d0bf3ebbd1a843b7d21cc99b2dc9b8921d02

[raskul]

I love it when a block comes together 

party time   

[bryonp]

God Help us we need to see a block!!!! or 2....

Ask and you shall receive?

https://blockchain.info/block-index/440003/00000000000000001d2134e5e3d3d0bf3ebbd1a843b7d21cc99b2dc9b8921d02

I hate to tell you...
I said the same thing about 5 days ago after 3 days no block and within an hour we blocked...!!!
Yea!

[murdof]

So eligius says that with my 2.8TH i should be getting about 0.10/day - so 0.70/week...

P2Pool says I should be getting 0.07/block.
If I take into account the last week - we got only 4 blocks - that is 0.21/week
If I look last week we found again 4 blocks agains.
Then 3 weeks back we found 7 blocks - which would mean i would make 0.49/week.

So luck is bad cause with those payments we should be getting 10 blocks / week.
So somebody is telling me that we expect this or next week even to hit 15 blocks?

What am I missing?

[jonnybravo0311]

So eligius says that with my 2.8TH i should be getting about 0.10/day - so 0.70/week...

P2Pool says I should be getting 0.07/block.
If I take into account the last week - we got only 4 blocks - that is 0.21/week
If I look last week we found again 4 blocks agains.
Then 3 weeks back we found 7 blocks - which would mean i would make 0.49/week.

So luck is bad cause with those payments we should be getting 10 blocks / week.
So somebody is telling me that we expect this or next week even to hit 15 blocks?

What am I missing?

You aren't missing anything.  All of the calculators use the same basic formula to calculate expected earnings.  Those numbers are "ideal" values.  You get closer to your ideal values on the largest pools because the variance is low.  Using Eligius as an example, you mine until you hit your payout threshold, at which point you're placed into a payout queue.  Depending on how many people are ahead of you in the queue, and how Eligius' luck is faring, you could sit in that queue for quite some time.  Ghash, if you set your auto-payout there, will randomly at some point within 24 hours send you your balance (assuming you've got more than 0.01 coming to you).

With p2pool, you see the effects of variance more readily.  Firstly, there's the variance of finding shares.  Also, each share is weighted, so you can't just say, "I found X shares, so that equates to Y value".  Take a look at your efficiency rating to get an idea of how you're doing compared to the "ideal" values.  Recently, our luck has been pretty poor with a number of 3+ day periods between found blocks.  However, these are counteracted by other periods where the pool finds far more blocks in a given time period than it should.  There's actually a really good comparison thread here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=416933.0 where you can see a very good look at the payouts received from Eligius, BTCGuild and p2pool.

By the way... we just found our second block today (3 hours after the last one) as I was writing this reply

EDIT: Just to give credence to the argument.  I have about 1.8TH/s mining on p2pool.  My expected "ideal" earnings with that at current difficulty is 0.067BTC a day.  So far today I've mined 0.17BTC.  Considerably higher than expected daily earnings.

[murdof]

Thanks Johnny

Can you post your actual earnings for the past 3 weeks for comparison?
Ie what you got each week vs the theoretical expected

[adolife]

I want my two blocks back...

Someone manipulated my transactions on my pool...

see: 107.170.184.48:9332


See the timestamps...
Joannes Wyckmans

[bitdigger2013]

So eligius says that with my 2.8TH i should be getting about 0.10/day - so 0.70/week...

P2Pool says I should be getting 0.07/block.
If I take into account the last week - we got only 4 blocks - that is 0.21/week
If I look last week we found again 4 blocks agains.
Then 3 weeks back we found 7 blocks - which would mean i would make 0.49/week.

So luck is bad cause with those payments we should be getting 10 blocks / week.
So somebody is telling me that we expect this or next week even to hit 15 blocks?

What am I missing?

You aren't missing anything.  All of the calculators use the same basic formula to calculate expected earnings.  Those numbers are "ideal" values.  You get closer to your ideal values on the largest pools because the variance is low.  Using Eligius as an example, you mine until you hit your payout threshold, at which point you're placed into a payout queue.  Depending on how many people are ahead of you in the queue, and how Eligius' luck is faring, you could sit in that queue for quite some time.  Ghash, if you set your auto-payout there, will randomly at some point within 24 hours send you your balance (assuming you've got more than 0.01 coming to you).

With p2pool, you see the effects of variance more readily.  Firstly, there's the variance of finding shares.  Also, each share is weighted, so you can't just say, "I found X shares, so that equates to Y value".  Take a look at your efficiency rating to get an idea of how you're doing compared to the "ideal" values.  Recently, our luck has been pretty poor with a number of 3+ day periods between found blocks.  However, these are counteracted by other periods where the pool finds far more blocks in a given time period than it should.  There's actually a really good comparison thread here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=416933.0 where you can see a very good look at the payouts received from Eligius, BTCGuild and p2pool.

By the way... we just found our second block today (3 hours after the last one) as I was writing this reply

EDIT: Just to give credence to the argument.  I have about 1.8TH/s mining on p2pool.  My expected "ideal" earnings with that at current difficulty is 0.067BTC a day.  So far today I've mined 0.17BTC.  Considerably higher than expected daily earnings.

Must have had a lucky run on shares too to get .17btc from 2 blocks at 1.8TH?

[bryonp]

So eligius says that with my 2.8TH i should be getting about 0.10/day - so 0.70/week...

P2Pool says I should be getting 0.07/block.
If I take into account the last week - we got only 4 blocks - that is 0.21/week
If I look last week we found again 4 blocks agains.
Then 3 weeks back we found 7 blocks - which would mean i would make 0.49/week.

So luck is bad cause with those payments we should be getting 10 blocks / week.
So somebody is telling me that we expect this or next week even to hit 15 blocks?

What am I missing?

You aren't missing anything.  All of the calculators use the same basic formula to calculate expected earnings.  Those numbers are "ideal" values.  You get closer to your ideal values on the largest pools because the variance is low.  Using Eligius as an example, you mine until you hit your payout threshold, at which point you're placed into a payout queue.  Depending on how many people are ahead of you in the queue, and how Eligius' luck is faring, you could sit in that queue for quite some time.  Ghash, if you set your auto-payout there, will randomly at some point within 24 hours send you your balance (assuming you've got more than 0.01 coming to you).

With p2pool, you see the effects of variance more readily.  Firstly, there's the variance of finding shares.  Also, each share is weighted, so you can't just say, "I found X shares, so that equates to Y value".  Take a look at your efficiency rating to get an idea of how you're doing compared to the "ideal" values.  Recently, our luck has been pretty poor with a number of 3+ day periods between found blocks.  However, these are counteracted by other periods where the pool finds far more blocks in a given time period than it should.  There's actually a really good comparison thread here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=416933.0 where you can see a very good look at the payouts received from Eligius, BTCGuild and p2pool.

By the way... we just found our second block today (3 hours after the last one) as I was writing this reply

EDIT: Just to give credence to the argument.  I have about 1.8TH/s mining on p2pool.  My expected "ideal" earnings with that at current difficulty is 0.067BTC a day.  So far today I've mined 0.17BTC.  Considerably higher than expected daily earnings.

Must have had a lucky run on shares too to get .17btc from 2 blocks at 1.8TH?

ok 3 days at 1 T and 4 T mostly 4 T and all I get is 36.00  unless there is more coming?? I just cant stay at fees like this its way off...
4 Terehertz and I had goobs of shares... plus my bitcore has not updated as of yet???
What Am I missing...

[jonnybravo0311]

Thanks Johnny

Can you post your actual earnings for the past 3 weeks for comparison?
Ie what you got each week vs the theoretical expected

I don't have historical difficulty to calculate expected earnings for the previous weeks.  Also, my hash rate has been variant (I've had some days where I've mined on other pools - like Eligius because an SP10 firmware update killed p2pool usability), and I didn't own the SP10 before 6/1, so I only had 400GH/s from my 2 overclocked S1s .

Anyway, I guess what I'm saying is any numbers I provide just aren't going to be too accurate.

Now that all the disclaimers are out of the way... and assuming my skills with Excel haven't failed me completely... I see that I've earned 0.9423BTC from 6/1 until today from p2pool.  Looking through my transaction history, I see blocks found as follows since 6/1:

6/1 - 1
6/3 - 3
6/4 - 1
6/5 - 1
6/8 - 1
6/9 - 1
6/11 - 3
6/15 - 2
6/18 - 2

15 blocks in 18 days, which seems to be pretty close to expectations... maybe a bit under (and today isn't over yet)

@btcdigger, yes, I've had a bit of a lucky run the past day or so finding shares.

[windpath]

Thanks Johnny

Can you post your actual earnings for the past 3 weeks for comparison?
Ie what you got each week vs the theoretical expected

I don't have historical difficulty to calculate expected earnings for the previous weeks.  Also, my hash rate has been variant (I've had some days where I've mined on other pools - like Eligius because an SP10 firmware update killed p2pool usability), and I didn't own the SP10 before 6/1, so I only had 400GH/s from my 2 overclocked S1s .

Anyway, I guess what I'm saying is any numbers I provide just aren't going to be too accurate.

Now that all the disclaimers are out of the way... and assuming my skills with Excel haven't failed me completely... I see that I've earned 0.9423BTC from 6/1 until today from p2pool.  Looking through my transaction history, I see blocks found as follows since 6/1:

6/1 - 1
6/3 - 3
6/4 - 1
6/5 - 1
6/8 - 1
6/9 - 1
6/11 - 3
6/15 - 2
6/18 - 2

15 blocks in 18 days, which seems to be pretty close to expectations... maybe a bit under (and today isn't over yet)

@btcdigger, yes, I've had a bit of a lucky run the past day or so finding shares.

P2Pool payouts are public information, you can view any miners payout per block by entering their address in the form here: http://minefast.coincadence.com/index.php

Edit: example with one of our addresses: http://minefast.coincadence.com/miner.php?id=19vXrwKGUhK4cCU8tA4kWZgbChcmh9a6qj

[Collider]

Does anyone know of a p2pool node in Iceland?

Is the percent of orphan/dead shares "lost" between the miner and the pool or between the pool and the network?

[nreal]

Does anyone know of a p2pool node in Iceland?

Is the percent of orphan/dead shares "lost" between the miner and the pool or between the pool and the network?

Ive got 2,5% orphan rate last week http://p2pool.servebeer.com:9332/static/graphs.html?Week
4% last month no deads in the graphic - its so low dead rate

Located in Finland