Bitmain looks like they're releasing a 15GH/s DASH miner called the AntMiner D3

[alecsstefan]

I have a 18-25 sept. batch order that is Paid, Valid but Unshipped. Bitmain is not answering tickets. Does any of you face the same issue?

[bytiges]

7nm chips are in production right now. Why do you think Bitmain flooded the market with their 16nm tech? Out with the old, in with the  new. Ya got a whole bunch of dumbasses that paid such high prices for 16nm chips in their ASIC miners, that it will  take them 1.5 years to pay the initial cost. Trust me, by then 7nm will be in full bloom and production. So bottom line....you don't know what you're talking about.

Maybe you can tell us what fab and what quantity does bitmain get access *now*, that is September 2017 to be precise 

I did understood that a Japanese company had created the 7 nm chip and will compete with Bitmain. They said not to chair there chip and start mining on there own in januari and later on offer cloud mining and equipment. This was all aiming to sha265, so i think the d3 miner is save until mid 2018, but thats speculating 

Taiwan Semi Conductor has been producing 7nm since late 2016, Samsung is ramping up their current production now as well as Intel. Is there some reason to believe that these Chip makers would not sell to Bitmain? These are just a FEW of the companies with current 7nm production. Bitmain has proven time and time again that they are a very versatile and savy company. They just dumped a shit ton of 16nm units on the masses. Do you really think they have done this without a plan to replace their existing miners with the 7nm to gain the edge in mining??? Why would anyone think that?? You've got idiots in droves out there paying 5, 6, 7, THOUSAND dollars for D3'S from resellers that are now only making $45.00 per day!! It's fucking amazing how stupid this is all getting. OF COURSE BITMAIN IS BUYING 7nm CHIPS.....TODAY in SEPTEMBER 2017!!! YOU won't be buying the units with them in them, but BITMAIN WILL BE MINING WITH THEM LONG BEFORE THAT!!!!

Man, please stop spreading false info. TSMC is doing 10nm now and they have preliminary 7nm Risk Production but nowhere near the volumes required. 7nm volume is 2018. Plus, they're going with folks like Broadcomm and Mediatek that have numbers way beyond Bitmains. There's no excess production for asics there.
Samsung is late as hell and they'll have their needs to satisfy first.

Bitmain will scrap the excess cap, when and if available.

Yhttp://www.zdnet.com/article/chipmakers-announce-7nm-technology/you're either ignorant or a liar. I'm not going to paste all the other sources but you're so fucking wrong it's laughable.

Lol do you know the difference between announcing something and actually having it in production with excess capacity to sell to the asic makers (which is low volume, low yield market). Call me ignorant at will, it won't change the facts. We'll have 7nm in 2019 perhaps. But it won't be twice the hashrate for the same power draw. Might be +60% (which is still good). Until then you're stuck with D3 and D3+ which will draw approx the same amount of power per hashrate.

[mdude77]

That's Not quite right. The 16nm, 10nm, and 7nm refer to the minimum feature size of a die (what eventually becomes a chip). There is also the size of the silicon wafer (what the die are "printed" on). The standard wafer is now typically 300mm diameter, but there is movement towards 450mm diameter wafers.

Thanks for the clarification.

M

[sovacar]

For those who asked earlier, I ordered a September batch of APW3++ about 2 weeks ago using the archived link, and it says that they actually shipped it today. At the moment of ordering, for sale on the website was November batch.

[BenRickert]

7nm chips are in production right now. Why do you think Bitmain flooded the market with their 16nm tech? Out with the old, in with the  new. Ya got a whole bunch of dumbasses that paid such high prices for 16nm chips in their ASIC miners, that it will  take them 1.5 years to pay the initial cost. Trust me, by then 7nm will be in full bloom and production. So bottom line....you don't know what you're talking about.

Maybe you can tell us what fab and what quantity does bitmain get access *now*, that is September 2017 to be precise 

I did understood that a Japanese company had created the 7 nm chip and will compete with Bitmain. They said not to chair there chip and start mining on there own in januari and later on offer cloud mining and equipment. This was all aiming to sha265, so i think the d3 miner is save until mid 2018, but thats speculating 

Taiwan Semi Conductor has been producing 7nm since late 2016, Samsung is ramping up their current production now as well as Intel. Is there some reason to believe that these Chip makers would not sell to Bitmain? These are just a FEW of the companies with current 7nm production. Bitmain has proven time and time again that they are a very versatile and savy company. They just dumped a shit ton of 16nm units on the masses. Do you really think they have done this without a plan to replace their existing miners with the 7nm to gain the edge in mining??? Why would anyone think that?? You've got idiots in droves out there paying 5, 6, 7, THOUSAND dollars for D3'S from resellers that are now only making $45.00 per day!! It's fucking amazing how stupid this is all getting. OF COURSE BITMAIN IS BUYING 7nm CHIPS.....TODAY in SEPTEMBER 2017!!! YOU won't be buying the units with them in them, but BITMAIN WILL BE MINING WITH THEM LONG BEFORE THAT!!!!

Man, please stop spreading false info. TSMC is doing 10nm now and they have preliminary 7nm Risk Production but nowhere near the volumes required. 7nm volume is 2018. Plus, they're going with folks like Broadcomm and Mediatek that have numbers way beyond Bitmains. There's no excess production for asics there.
Samsung is late as hell and they'll have their needs to satisfy first.

Bitmain will scrap the excess cap, when and if available.

Yhttp://www.zdnet.com/article/chipmakers-announce-7nm-technology/you're either ignorant or a liar. I'm not going to paste all the other sources but you're so fucking wrong it's laughable.

Lol do you know the difference between announcing something and actually having it in production with excess capacity to sell to the asic makers (which is low volume, low yield market). Call me ignorant at will, it won't change the facts. We'll have 7nm in 2019 perhaps. But it won't be twice the hashrate for the same power draw. Might be +60% (which is still good). Until then you're stuck with D3 and D3+ which will draw approx the same amount of power per hashrate.

I think we seem to have a language barrier here. Samsung is "producing" 7nm chips today and intends to scale up that production aggressively in 2018. I understand that ASIC is not high on the distribution priority list as I've said several times here in my posts. My point in all this is.....people are paying completely ridiculous prices for these 16nm units that are 1.5 years into their Moore's Law lifecycle. The market is being slammed with massive quantities of Hashing power. These ignorant fools will take anywhere from 12-20 months to recoup their hardware costs. By then, BAM!! 7nm is either in the Bitmain mines and or about to be. Do you disagree that Bitmain mined 16nm Chips long before they sold them to us??? Yes, 7nm in 2019 for us regular people.....2018 for Bitmain's personal Goldmines. D3's for sale on every street corner for 1/2 their release price. Which is awesome. THAT'S when I'll buy them.

[bytiges]

Lol do you know the difference between announcing something and actually having it in production with excess capacity to sell to the asic makers (which is low volume, low yield market). Call me ignorant at will, it won't change the facts. We'll have 7nm in 2019 perhaps. But it won't be twice the hashrate for the same power draw. Might be +60% (which is still good). Until then you're stuck with D3 and D3+ which will draw approx the same amount of power per hashrate.

I think we seem to have a language barrier here. Samsung is "producing" 7nm chips today and intends to scale up that production aggressively in 2018. I understand that ASIC is not high on the distribution priority list as I've said several times here in my posts. My point in all this is.....people are paying completely ridiculous prices for these 16nm units that are 1.5 years into their Moore's Law lifecycle. The market is being slammed with massive quantities of Hashing power. These ignorant fools will take anywhere from 12-20 months to recoup their hardware costs. By then, BAM!! 7nm is either in the Bitmain mines and or about to be. Do you disagree that Bitmain mined 16nm Chips long before they sold them to us??? Yes, 7nm in 2019 for us regular people.....2018 for Bitmain's personal Goldmines. D3's for sale on every street corner for 1/2 their release price. Which is awesome. THAT'S when I'll buy them.

Ok, let me cut some of the quotes above for brevity.
I understand exactly the nuances of your words. Lets put this into perspective. There will always be new tech in 2-3 years time. Moore's law does not work the way it did 30 to 20 years ago. Today we have evolutionary steps vs revolutionary as it used to be.

By the time those D3 are 1/2 their price (say 700$) on the streets, say 2 years from now, they will have been beaten to death but paid back their first owners. If somebody has free electricity at that time and feel like risking to buy a 2 year old miner at 1/2 the price it's their choice and I won't argue with that.

My take is at that time, difficulty will be way higher and roi much longer (if any) to make it worth.

Now, when I talk about retail price, I mean the 2700 or 1500 $ from Bitmain direct. If you instead mean the 10K from Cryptocrane, then I'm with you all the way. They will never pay back.

[shuuk]

8 Days now and no confirmation email about the payment (bitcoin) and no answer to my 2 tickets   

[crackfoo]

I've finally got zpool's D3 delivered  and online. You can see the results here:

http://zpool.ca/?address=1LDQNsknrP6VUDdd1aqGWxoW9HBgYezEyZ

Cheers

[BenRickert]

Lol do you know the difference between announcing something and actually having it in production with excess capacity to sell to the asic makers (which is low volume, low yield market). Call me ignorant at will, it won't change the facts. We'll have 7nm in 2019 perhaps. But it won't be twice the hashrate for the same power draw. Might be +60% (which is still good). Until then you're stuck with D3 and D3+ which will draw approx the same amount of power per hashrate.

I think we seem to have a language barrier here. Samsung is "producing" 7nm chips today and intends to scale up that production aggressively in 2018. I understand that ASIC is not high on the distribution priority list as I've said several times here in my posts. My point in all this is.....people are paying completely ridiculous prices for these 16nm units that are 1.5 years into their Moore's Law lifecycle. The market is being slammed with massive quantities of Hashing power. These ignorant fools will take anywhere from 12-20 months to recoup their hardware costs. By then, BAM!! 7nm is either in the Bitmain mines and or about to be. Do you disagree that Bitmain mined 16nm Chips long before they sold them to us??? Yes, 7nm in 2019 for us regular people.....2018 for Bitmain's personal Goldmines. D3's for sale on every street corner for 1/2 their release price. Which is awesome. THAT'S when I'll buy them.

Ok, let me cut some of the quotes above for brevity.
I understand exactly the nuances of your words. Lets put this into perspective. There will always be new tech in 2-3 years time. Moore's law does not work the way it did 30 to 20 years ago. Today we have evolutionary steps vs revolutionary as it used to be.

By the time those D3 are 1/2 their price (say 700$) on the streets, say 2 years from now, they will have been beaten to death but paid back their first owners. If somebody has free electricity at that time and feel like risking to buy a 2 year old miner at 1/2 the price it's their choice and I won't argue with that.

My take is at that time, difficulty will be way higher and roi much longer (if any) to make it worth.

Now, when I talk about retail price, I mean the 2700 or 1500 $ from Bitmain direct. If you instead mean the 10K from Cryptocrane, then I'm with you all the way. They will never pay back.

Yes that is exactly my point. Most of the last 3 batches were purchased by these parasitic resellers trying to gouge people and unfortunately, having great success doing it. It's just human nature. In the long run this process will be self correcting. The people that got in and paid too much to support any kind of reasonable business model will eventually throw in the towel as they did in 2014-15. Many of these lemmings are paying 18, 20, even 25 cents Kw for their power. At some point there will be at least a temporary release of pressure on the network as these bodies fall to the wayside.

Yes I am aware that Moore's law is butting up against constraints, but it is probably alive and well enough to take a nasty bite out of these fools that have ignored it completely.

[taufiqmax]

Guys, can you please tell me which pool is most profitable for dash, I'm new here in mining, currently running Antminer D3 on nicehash

[zamans98]

Guys, can you please tell me which pool is most profitable for dash, I'm new here in mining, currently running Antminer D3 on nicehash

zpool.ca
nicehash
litecoinpool
hash-to-coins
prohasing

[manav24]

For those who asked earlier, I ordered a September batch of APW3++ about 2 weeks ago using the archived link, and it says that they actually shipped it today. At the moment of ordering, for sale on the website was November batch.

Lucky you!! I m the one who submitted that link and My order  of 2 d3 which was supposed to be shipped 18-25 incuding PSU has not shipped yet.

Unlucky I am!!!

[BenRickert]

Guys, can you please tell me which pool is most profitable for dash, I'm new here in mining, currently running Antminer D3 on nicehash

zpool.ca
nicehash
litecoinpool
hash-to-coins
prohasing

His D3 isn't going to earn much on Litecoin pool.

[BenRickert]

Guys, can you please tell me which pool is most profitable for dash, I'm new here in mining, currently running Antminer D3 on nicehash

Hey bud, if you're new, NH is actually a very good, stable and profitable place to be. They are typically in the top 3 profit spots especially for your D3. Switching pools are a little more challenging. Run NH now while the money is still good. Once the profit drops you can start checking other places or switching pools. I've seen switching pools go down, but not kick the miners over to their failover pools. Miners had their units sitting dead in the water for hours. Not good when you're making $60.00 a day! That's GOOD money!

[ukjack]

Anybody had any luck changing shipping destination?
Bitmain say they won't do it but I wonder if they'd make an exception.
Have an order of 50 units and I want to change country destination as datacenter plans have changed.

[Bibi187]

Guys, can you please tell me which pool is most profitable for dash, I'm new here in mining, currently running Antminer D3 on nicehash

Hey bud, if you're new, NH is actually a very good, stable and profitable place to be. They are typically in the top 3 profit spots especially for your D3. Switching pools are a little more challenging. Run NH now while the money is still good. Once the profit drops you can start checking other places or switching pools. I've seen switching pools go down, but not kick the miners over to their failover pools. Miners had their units sitting dead in the water for hours. Not good when you're making $60.00 a day! That's GOOD money!

Actually nicehash or zpool, cryptocompare do a video about pool comparison, zpool win this.

I try prohashing to but to much drop on connection etc ...

[cuteman]

Anybody had any luck changing shipping destination?
Bitmain say they won't do it but I wonder if they'd make an exception.
Have an order of 50 units and I want to change country destination as datacenter plans have changed.

I changed recently and they confirmed.  But for orders placed after August 15th they don't change as they wrote.  Mine was earlier.  But you can try.

[Dopert]

Pff. I think yesterday we did speculate and calculated bitmain batch sales numbers, a little to hard. People offer antminers d3 below cost price on ebay. I also adjusted mu price to costprice (1950 euro, inc PSU and all tax payed) on our Dutch marketplace 

I hope that Bitmain suffer as hard as me with overflouding the Dash market.

[Dopert]

Anybody had any luck changing shipping destination?
Bitmain say they won't do it but I wonder if they'd make an exception.
Have an order of 50 units and I want to change country destination as datacenter plans have changed.

I changed recently and they confirmed.  But for orders placed after August 15th they don't change as they wrote.  Mine was earlier.  But you can try.

Good advice. I also will try my 4 miner to change the adress to Gigawatt USA. I have some WTT tokens there.

[GMPoison]

"We are releasing new batches of the Antminer S9 and Antminer D3 DASH miner today (26 September)!
Antminer S9 will be available here (https://goo.gl/L1VJPg) after 2PM
Antminer D3 will be available here (https://goo.gl/wz4KNH) after 5PM today.
All times are in GMT+8.
BCC, BTC, LTC and USD will be accepted as payment methods for these batches."