Official Anoncoin chat thread (including history)

[Gnosis-]

I haven't replied here in a while because the signal-to-noise ratio is really low in here (where "noise" includes things like trash talking me and speculation on the price). If you said something addressed at me here, I probably didn't read it. PM me if it's important.

Yes, estimating the time to complete software is not my strong suit, but that is a difficult problem in any case. The fact remains that I have worked hard on this and will continue to do so. I am not aware of any other developers who have made nearly as much progress (judging by public commits) in adding zero-knowledge cryptography to cryptocurrency. As for ShadowCoin, I looked at their code briefly and did not see a single commit related to this; sure, they might be keeping all the development secret, but "talk is cheap". If you look at Github, you'll see that I did more than talk.

Anyway, I am now thinking it is better to have a series of testnets with gradually increasing Zerocoin functionality, rather than a single one with all the functionality as I originally planned. I'll set a date for the first one when I am actually code complete. You can think of these as "milestones" for completion.

As for the wild oscillations in difficulty, I am working with two other people on our IRC to get this resolved.

Do you have any reason why only 2 days before a release date you had to extend it 2-3 months? It's hard to understand why that announcement couldn't have happened earlier rather than misleading investors. 

First, let me say that software estimation is a notoriously hard problem. I'm not saying I couldn't have done better -- I could have.

Basically up until a few weeks ago, I was working mostly with libzerocoin, which is code I understood really well. I was giving completion estimates based on my (relatively fast) progress with that. Then, I had to switch to working with the wallet's code itself, and that is far more complicated. By the time I became aware of how much more time it would take, it was only a few days before the testnet release deadline. There may have been some wishful thinking going on too, which I didn't catch because all my thoughts were taken up with how to solve the problems at hand.

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Dev has scammed us all with this recent announcement, "it'll be ready any day now.. any day now... oh wait I need another 3 months".

The coin doesn't even work right now moving between exchanges.

Sometimes it's prudent to hold during a crash - not this time.

A developer like this will not make a successful coin. You will not become a millionnaire buying into this developer.
Dump this coin into the ground and move on, there's plenty of better alternatives.

[AlexGR]

I haven't replied here in a while because the signal-to-noise ratio is really low in here (where "noise" includes things like trash talking me and speculation on the price). If you said something addressed at me here, I probably didn't read it. PM me if it's important.

Yes, estimating the time to complete software is not my strong suit, but that is a difficult problem in any case. The fact remains that I have worked hard on this and will continue to do so. I am not aware of any other developers who have made nearly as much progress (judging by public commits) in adding zero-knowledge cryptography to cryptocurrency. As for ShadowCoin, I looked at their code briefly and did not see a single commit related to this; sure, they might be keeping all the development secret, but "talk is cheap". If you look at Github, you'll see that I did more than talk.

Anyway, I am now thinking it is better to have a series of testnets with gradually increasing Zerocoin functionality, rather than a single one with all the functionality as I originally planned. I'll set a date for the first one when I am actually code complete. You can think of these as "milestones" for completion.

As for the wild oscillations in difficulty, I am working with two other people on our IRC to get this resolved.

Do you have any reason why only 2 days before a release date you had to extend it 2-3 months? It's hard to understand why that announcement couldn't have happened earlier rather than misleading investors. 

First, let me say that software estimation is a notoriously hard problem. I'm not saying I couldn't have done better -- I could have.

Basically up until a few weeks ago, I was working mostly with libzerocoin, which is code I understood really well. I was giving completion estimates based on my (relatively fast) progress with that. Then, I had to switch to working with the wallet's code itself, and that is far more complicated. By the time I became aware of how much more time it would take, it was only a few days before the testnet release deadline. There may have been some wishful thinking going on too, which I didn't catch because all my thoughts were taken up with how to solve the problems at hand.

2-3 days to 2-3 months is a very "problematic" miscalculation, no matter how you see it.

Investment wise? "This is ridiculous" -> DUMP
Confidence wise? "If the dev can't tell if it takes 2-3 days or 2-3 months, then he is either a liar/scammer/pumper or totally incompetent"

I have ANCs from back in the day when ANC and DRK were the only players around in the anon industry (DRK as main, ANC as hedge) and I'm loosely following ANC for this reason throughout the months, but, seriously, the "I miscalculated" angle can't be digested

[CookieL]

I haven't replied here in a while because the signal-to-noise ratio is really low in here (where "noise" includes things like trash talking me and speculation on the price). If you said something addressed at me here, I probably didn't read it. PM me if it's important.

Yes, estimating the time to complete software is not my strong suit, but that is a difficult problem in any case. The fact remains that I have worked hard on this and will continue to do so. I am not aware of any other developers who have made nearly as much progress (judging by public commits) in adding zero-knowledge cryptography to cryptocurrency. As for ShadowCoin, I looked at their code briefly and did not see a single commit related to this; sure, they might be keeping all the development secret, but "talk is cheap". If you look at Github, you'll see that I did more than talk.

Anyway, I am now thinking it is better to have a series of testnets with gradually increasing Zerocoin functionality, rather than a single one with all the functionality as I originally planned. I'll set a date for the first one when I am actually code complete. You can think of these as "milestones" for completion.

As for the wild oscillations in difficulty, I am working with two other people on our IRC to get this resolved.

Great update! Keep up the good work.

[pebody]

withdraw from cryptsy  2014-10-20 11:08:06     106.95742694 ANC
TrxID: 897695f63ef4752ca3848d978759dfec749ba770edb7274f6adb60328f212437
to address ANj92t5i1G5dE3otujPsqwbNBuS2t4dNia

and still nothing...   

[ntrn500]

As I interpret Gnosis thoughts on the delay, he is trying to tell us: "Don't worry, I am sorry"
Yep everything is fine and we'll wait for another year or two, probably a decade, no one is in a hurry

[mullick]

withdraw from cryptsy  2014-10-20 11:08:06     106.95742694 ANC
TrxID: 897695f63ef4752ca3848d978759dfec749ba770edb7274f6adb60328f212437
to address ANj92t5i1G5dE3otujPsqwbNBuS2t4dNia

and still nothing...   

Code:

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            "sequence" : 4294967295
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        {
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            "vout" : 1,
            "scriptSig" : {
                "asm" : "30460221008793277f542e69777fc802de2a675781df81ce584f6e7f014c795176c81b82b60221008b4f4e435864d3d1afe0b9e6904e3ba82e27a2d9cadf312c11d277640211a48201 04567de27a22ddac4e57d19730bc46cde847c44fe1d33503c61316ea17077793b6c96f7538af5489c2f563d44075bd570de8592caa42ecf8285f05f72b065a4452",
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            "sequence" : 4294967295
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        {
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            "scriptSig" : {
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        {
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            "n" : 0,
            "scriptPubKey" : {
                "asm" : "OP_DUP OP_HASH160 c31c94ecd10f61d5b9edd92a1078cc0f20124099 OP_EQUALVERIFY OP_CHECKSIG",
                "hex" : "76a914c31c94ecd10f61d5b9edd92a1078cc0f2012409988ac",
                "reqSigs" : 1,
                "type" : "pubkeyhash",
                "addresses" : [
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        {
            "value" : 106.92742694,
            "n" : 1,
            "scriptPubKey" : {
                "asm" : "OP_DUP OP_HASH160 4c4479e2de1e73aa0db99756c6fd6afe1520c99d OP_EQUALVERIFY OP_CHECKSIG",
                "hex" : "76a9144c4479e2de1e73aa0db99756c6fd6afe1520c99d88ac",
                "reqSigs" : 1,
                "type" : "pubkeyhash",
                "addresses" : [
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[mullick]

Craptsy is now refusing to do anything to get their stuck TX's resolved:

Code:

<yoyo> K1773R: craptsy responded upon the request to give raw transaction to me (they had closed ticket) by their usual rambling about fixing this issue with anoncoin devs
<yoyo> damn its worse than before they dont even broadcast nor are willing to give raw transaction now
<K1773R> yoyo: you see! they refuse to do anything

They refuse to give me/us the transactions and refuse (no idea if its with intent) to broadcast the TX.
Therefore, all TX created by craptsy for ANC cannot be mined unless they change this again.

We had enough problems with Craptsy, this shows just another case of them refusing to follow the protocol or care about its customers. Please stay away for your own sake.

I received the first request for a raw transaction today. To say I have done nothing to remedy the situation is a blatant lie as I was cooperating in pm with you and the other developers.

In no way are we refusing to "Follow the protocol" We run an unmodified anoncoind and send all transactions via "sendtoaddress". Out of the 236 currencies we list. ANC is the only one with this issue

You can say its a cryptsy issue all you want. But anyone that reads the facts can see that is not the case

So you can prove it very easy. Just post a non broadcast or stuck raw transaction  Because in my test node no pending withdraw transaction with ID from my Cryptsy account

This is because anoncoind didn't relay a transaction it created following its own parameters. What is your username and/or txid

Found your username from the chatbox

Code:

anoncoind gettransaction 013a84aeedfefff1c2ea0705ca52b0cedbb588ef2477aca3c7d392ee91cae0cc
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    "amount" : -582.69332273,
    "fee" : -0.01000000,
    "confirmations" : 0,
    "txid" : "013a84aeedfefff1c2ea0705ca52b0cedbb588ef2477aca3c7d392ee91cae0cc",
    "time" : 1413774007,
    "timereceived" : 1413774007,
    "details" : [
        {
            "account" : "",
            "address" : "ANb2Xr919ETN13pp44o69m7t2ZxBMxy7tQ",
            "category" : "send",
            "amount" : -582.69332273,
            "fee" : -0.01000000
        }
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}



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[TheKoziTwo]

Can cryptsy please open deposits, or at least add those that are currently pending? The problem is with withdraw, so why close deposits?

[K1773R]

2) Non standard transactions being propagated by Cryptsy. These transaction are more 100kb in size. By default anoncoin clients do not send out transaction of these size and standard miners do not accept them. Cryptsy has refused to acknowledge that they are doing anything wrong.

And then what? Coins will stay in then middle of nowhere forever?
Cryptsy said

The transaction does not need to be resent as it is a valid transaction.

but you told non standard transaction. I thing you should  patch anoncoin client asap because when this "non standard transaction" has valid txID and in that case it's a valid and should be send and confirmed.

nope, see my post above.
its not about having a "valid" txID nor anything like this. the problems lies in creating too big transactions. seems they managed to even lower the fee more which resulted in failure of tx broadcast (there is a limit).

How can you be sure about too long transactions? They still refuse all requests to post a raw transaction from his mempool. The only thing we know is "Cryptsy do not broadcast some kind of transactions" The right way IMHO:
- Cryptsy post a stuck raw transaction and all we will see what is going on.
- Update your client to broadcast any transaction without limit, or reasonable one.

If his API really use sendtoaddress the problem with too big transactions is your I mean in anc node soft

the mintxfee is designed to disallow spam txs, otherwise every node would have to process those and store it in their mempool, ie a simple DoS vector
this is not anc specific, its in any coin forked from bitcoin (unless its a really old codebase).

if you have a stuck TX, send me the output of getrawtransaction and i'l put it into my node(s), as im a main I2P/TOR/clearnet gateway/node, the tx will be broadcasted successfully and everyone can mine it, unless its violating mintxfee rules and then i can only mine it myself.

[stopthecensors]

At this point it looks like the 'cryptsy problem' was actually the 'anc problem'. Now k1ll3r or however the little retard spells his name will keep coming up with excuses or lame fixes.

Anoncoin was a good coin. It has been sabotaged from within by its own devs.

There are lots of highly competent groups working on anonymous coins and yet anc devs cling to the broken zerocoin that will deliver nothing even if it works as intended. Of course there are a legion of shills repeating endlessly 'hurrah for anc, its trustless, read the wiki' etc etc

fucking bunch of conmen

[matthewh3]

At this point it looks like the 'cryptsy problem' was actually the 'anc problem'. Now k1ll3r or however the little retard spells his name will keep coming up with excuses or lame fixes.

Anoncoin was a good coin. It has been sabotaged from within by its own devs.

There are lots of highly competent groups working on anonymous coins and yet anc devs cling to the broken zerocoin that will deliver nothing even if it works as intended. Of course there are a legion of shills repeating endlessly 'hurrah for anc, its trustless, read the wiki' etc etc

fucking bunch of conmen

‘Internet Trolls’ Are Actually Jerks in Real Life Too, According to Study

[ntrn500]

At this point it looks like the 'cryptsy problem' was actually the 'anc problem'. Now k1ll3r or however the little retard spells his name will keep coming up with excuses or lame fixes.

Anoncoin was a good coin. It has been sabotaged from within by its own devs.

There are lots of highly competent groups working on anonymous coins and yet anc devs cling to the broken zerocoin that will deliver nothing even if it works as intended. Of course there are a legion of shills repeating endlessly 'hurrah for anc, its trustless, read the wiki' etc etc

fucking bunch of conmen

‘Internet Trolls’ Are Actually Jerks in Real Life Too, According to Study

stopthecensors has some undeniable arguments. Most of the recent investors like me lost a bunch of BTC. What's your point in being cynical?

[shtako]

At this point it looks like the 'cryptsy problem' was actually the 'anc problem'. Now k1ll3r or however the little retard spells his name will keep coming up with excuses or lame fixes.

Anoncoin was a good coin. It has been sabotaged from within by its own devs.

There are lots of highly competent groups working on anonymous coins and yet anc devs cling to the broken zerocoin that will deliver nothing even if it works as intended. Of course there are a legion of shills repeating endlessly 'hurrah for anc, its trustless, read the wiki' etc etc

fucking bunch of conmen

‘Internet Trolls’ Are Actually Jerks in Real Life Too, According to Study

stopthecensors has some undeniable arguments. Most of the recent investors like me lost a bunch of BTC. What's your point in being cynical?

Where to draw the line? What is gambling and what is investing when it comes to altcoins?

Most people who buy alt coins don't invest, they gamble. And those who loose more often then they win tend to be bad at it. But most people overestimate their own abilities and they also tend to be sore losers.

[fuckbuddy]

At this point it looks like the 'cryptsy problem' was actually the 'anc problem'. Now k1ll3r or however the little retard spells his name will keep coming up with excuses or lame fixes.

Anoncoin was a good coin. It has been sabotaged from within by its own devs.

There are lots of highly competent groups working on anonymous coins and yet anc devs cling to the broken zerocoin that will deliver nothing even if it works as intended. Of course there are a legion of shills repeating endlessly 'hurrah for anc, its trustless, read the wiki' etc etc

fucking bunch of conmen

‘Internet Trolls’ Are Actually Jerks in Real Life Too, According to Study

stopthecensors has some undeniable arguments. Most of the recent investors like me lost a bunch of BTC. What's your point in being cynical?

Pushing buttons on exchanges doesn't make you an investor.  Gnos1s has no accountability towards speculators. Speculating on price fluctuations contributes zero to the zerocoin project development. Take your douchebaggery elswere - you and other goonbags clogging up the thread.

[matthewh3]

At this point it looks like the 'cryptsy problem' was actually the 'anc problem'. Now k1ll3r or however the little retard spells his name will keep coming up with excuses or lame fixes.

Anoncoin was a good coin. It has been sabotaged from within by its own devs.

There are lots of highly competent groups working on anonymous coins and yet anc devs cling to the broken zerocoin that will deliver nothing even if it works as intended. Of course there are a legion of shills repeating endlessly 'hurrah for anc, its trustless, read the wiki' etc etc

fucking bunch of conmen

‘Internet Trolls’ Are Actually Jerks in Real Life Too, According to Study

stopthecensors has some undeniable arguments. Most of the recent investors like me lost a bunch of BTC. What's your point in being cynical?

Where to draw the line? What is gambling and what is investing when it comes to altcoins?

Most people who buy alt coins don't invest, they gamble. And those who loose more often then they win tend to be bad at it. But most people overestimate their own abilities and they also tend to be sore losers.

I've bought all my ANC at around 50k satoshi so I'm still good to cash out now and stop supporting this project.  I agree most of the people very upset here are not really investors they were gambling on speculation.  Hurling insults and trolling never solved anything.  Trolls usually do it for the attention only.  So he bought in high and had to sell low and he's blaming everyone but himself for the error and misjudgment.  No one in this thread sold any kind of investment or promise of price rises.  If you've been following the thread long enough or really done your homework.  You'd find this is not the first major delay Anoncoin has hit with the Zerocoin roadmap.  So this delay should have really been factored in to anyone's gambling plan.

[Convicted2008]

3 goddamn days and still haven't received the Anon I sent to another site. WTF DEV's!! REALLY W T F.
Here's the TX..f828cece16138cd0db28818b8c315a68d92978f63942a48748aa4b35f14a0a4d

FIX THIS FUCKING SHIT. I MEAN REALLY WHAT IN THE FUCKING HELL,

[stopthecensors]

At this point it looks like the 'cryptsy problem' was actually the 'anc problem'. Now k1ll3r or however the little retard spells his name will keep coming up with excuses or lame fixes.

Anoncoin was a good coin. It has been sabotaged from within by its own devs.

There are lots of highly competent groups working on anonymous coins and yet anc devs cling to the broken zerocoin that will deliver nothing even if it works as intended. Of course there are a legion of shills repeating endlessly 'hurrah for anc, its trustless, read the wiki' etc etc

fucking bunch of conmen

‘Internet Trolls’ Are Actually Jerks in Real Life Too, According to Study

stopthecensors has some undeniable arguments. Most of the recent investors like me lost a bunch of BTC. What's your point in being cynical?

Where to draw the line? What is gambling and what is investing when it comes to altcoins?

Most people who buy alt coins don't invest, they gamble. And those who loose more often then they win tend to be bad at it. But most people overestimate their own abilities and they also tend to be sore losers.

I've bought all my ANC at around 50k satoshi so I'm still good to cash out now and stop supporting this project.  I agree most of the people very upset here are not really investors they were gambling on speculation.  Hurling insults and trolling never solved anything.  Trolls usually do it for the attention only.  So he bought in high and had to sell low and he's blaming everyone but himself for the error and misjudgment.  No one in this thread sold any kind of investment or promise of price rises.  If you've been following the thread long enough or really done your homework.  You'd find this is not the first major delay Anoncoin has hit with the Zerocoin roadmap.  So this delay should have really been factored in to anyone's gambling plan.

What kind of disingenuous stupidity does it take to pretend you are 'investing' while others are 'speculating'?

Coins are highly speculative. Semantic games just show how manipulative some scumbags are.

Whether gambling, speculating or investing there is a bare minimum of ethical responsibility the house has toward clients.

There has been overwhelming evidence for quite some time that anc devs and some others outside the dev circle have not even an ethics roadmap. They are following some devious agenda at the expense of the public.

People like you mathew3 and fuckbuddy are the most disgusting. You call critics 'trolls' so you don't have to address their complaints. You and those like you are the scum who turned fiat to trash and now you are polluting crypto with your disease.

Zerocoin is fatally flawed. It is not suitable for use as an anonymizer. I have only a basic college education and I figured that out some time ago. It is not possible that every single anc dev as well as most of the people on this forum are below the intelligence threshold needed to see that. There is deliberate deception in promoting zc, some agenda.

Anc still is salvageable. It has a history and a following. Step one is to decide what the goal is.

Is the goal to sabotage the 'anonymous' brand? It sure as fuck looks that way.

[Clyze]

3 goddamn days and still haven't received the Anon I sent to another site. WTF DEV's!! REALLY W T F.
Here's the TX..f828cece16138cd0db28818b8c315a68d92978f63942a48748aa4b35f14a0a4d

FIX THIS FUCKING SHIT. I MEAN REALLY WHAT IN THE FUCKING HELL,

Just for your information; this is not the first case this happened. There are a bunch of investors with stuck funds at the moment. There are two options for you;

1. You could try to contact the exchange (if you withdrew from an exchange?) and ask if they could cancel the transaction. (If you withdrew from your wallet, take a look a few pages back- there are some possible fixes for your withdrawal).

2. Wait untill your stuck transactions will be mined. There seems to be missing files in the pools which is the reason most tx get stuck. K1773R might mine your stuck transactions through after a while. The question is; we would not know when.

#HODL strong baby, if you want your coins ASAP I'd suggest to contact the exchange to cancel your tx. You could eventually sell, your coins then > transfer btc > buy at a different exchange. Or if you want to have your funds on your own wallet you might try to send the coins in smaller quantities, wait for them to go through, then send a new stack.

Hope this works....

Cheers,

Clyze (one that has had funds stuck for well over a week during a crucial period... which resulted in a 3 times less valued ANC)

[fuckbuddy]

At this point it looks like the 'cryptsy problem' was actually the 'anc problem'. Now k1ll3r or however the little retard spells his name will keep coming up with excuses or lame fixes.

Anoncoin was a good coin. It has been sabotaged from within by its own devs.

There are lots of highly competent groups working on anonymous coins and yet anc devs cling to the broken zerocoin that will deliver nothing even if it works as intended. Of course there are a legion of shills repeating endlessly 'hurrah for anc, its trustless, read the wiki' etc etc

fucking bunch of conmen

‘Internet Trolls’ Are Actually Jerks in Real Life Too, According to Study

stopthecensors has some undeniable arguments. Most of the recent investors like me lost a bunch of BTC. What's your point in being cynical?

Where to draw the line? What is gambling and what is investing when it comes to altcoins?

Most people who buy alt coins don't invest, they gamble. And those who loose more often then they win tend to be bad at it. But most people overestimate their own abilities and they also tend to be sore losers.

I've bought all my ANC at around 50k satoshi so I'm still good to cash out now and stop supporting this project.  I agree most of the people very upset here are not really investors they were gambling on speculation.  Hurling insults and trolling never solved anything.  Trolls usually do it for the attention only.  So he bought in high and had to sell low and he's blaming everyone but himself for the error and misjudgment.  No one in this thread sold any kind of investment or promise of price rises.  If you've been following the thread long enough or really done your homework.  You'd find this is not the first major delay Anoncoin has hit with the Zerocoin roadmap.  So this delay should have really been factored in to anyone's gambling plan.

What kind of disingenuous stupidity does it take to pretend you are 'investing' while others are 'speculating'?

Coins are highly speculative. Semantic games just show how manipulative some scumbags are.

Whether gambling, speculating or investing there is a bare minimum of ethical responsibility the house has toward clients.

There has been overwhelming evidence for quite some time that anc devs and some others outside the dev circle have not even an ethics roadmap. They are following some devious agenda at the expense of the public.
People ke you mathew3 and fuckbuddy are the most disgusting. You call critics 'trolls' so you don't have to address their complaints.

Did you invest money in infrastructure and other resources essential for the development of anoncoin project? If not then who the fuck are you to demand "ethical responsibility" from devs? Devs have no accountability towards you whatsoever, nor legal nor moral. Your speculating is your own responsibility.