[ActiveMining] The Official Active Mining Discussion Thread

[radiumsoup]

No.

Quite a compelling argument you've got going there.

Fortunately, I don't have to compel anyone but myself. I told you my thoughts, I also disagree with your view.

I'm confused why you chose to take the time to post "no", then. Normally, if I see something and think "I don't agree with that, but I don't feel compelled to make an adequate argument to change their or anyone else's mind", I just go to the next thread, or go get some cheetos or something. I don't usually take the time to voice my unsubstantiative displeasure with a monosyllabic grunt. Then again, I usually try to add to the discussions I'm involved with, but I guess that's just my way of doing things. Sorry for projecting.

[lewicki]

No.

Quite a compelling argument you've got going there.

Fortunately, I don't have to compel anyone but myself. I told you my thoughts, I also disagree with your view.

I'm confused why you chose to take the time to post "no", then. Normally, if I see something and think "I don't agree with that, but I don't feel compelled to make an adequate argument to change their or anyone else's mind", I just go to the next thread, or go get some cheetos or something. I don't usually take the time to voice my unsubstantiative displeasure with a monosyllabic grunt. Then again, I usually try to add to the discussions I'm involved with, but I guess that's just my way of doing things. Sorry for projecting.

I don't have the time nor the interest to go into this further. "No", simply meant, I acknowledge what you wrote, I disagree, and I have no interest in discussing it anymore.

[ffssixtynine]

I attended business school with a majority of engineers so it doesn't surprise me at all that Ken thinks that the marketing, website, and communication strategy are non essential at this stage of the game. As a marketing person, it's very difficult to understand this view, and incredibly frustrating when seemingly simple things are put on the back burner, but this company is run by an engineer, so his world view is going to prevail. Hopefully he sees the wisdom of bringing on people who can handle these things without diverting his attention from the product.

Obviously I think the website is "suboptimal" LOL, but I'm assuming it can effectively take orders? Oh and Ken may be attached to that old logo because it's on the side of his building.

The engineer 'issue' is not uncommon but it is frustrating. Once you accept that he doesn't see this, you have to work out how to handle it without butting heads constantly since it's progress that matters, not getting your own way or being right.

I think that chip sales and an open source board design (VBS pointed this out) could be a good way to do it, as you're targeting a different group of people and can open different customer channels. Other chips are big and less flexible than eASIC's. Things like a website lacking in taste and complex ordering options are then far less relevant.

Purely personal opinion but I think Ken should be grabbing the Avalon audience and doing deals with all of them over this forum. Compared to selling units and boards, especially in the current market, it's much easier money.

If you're going to be techie, sell to techies. And, of course, do a lot of your own mining

[zumzero]

Maybe there is a good reason as to why Ken is not prioritising the website.

Any guesses?

Okay, here's mine.  He's already taken a gazillion pre-orders and doesn't need anymore as his production schedule is already full.  As will be your bitcoin wallets from phenomenal divs.


To the frikin Moooooooooooooooon or what!  

[hazryder]

Maybe there is a good reason as to why Ken is not prioritising the website.

Any guesses?

Okay, here mine.  He's already taken a gazillion per-orders and doesn't need anymore as his production schedule is already full.  As will be your bitcoin wallets from phenomenal divs.


The the frikin Moooooooooooooooon or what! 

Well that's a better way of looking at it, unfortunately I'm doubtful but you never know.

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To the frikin Moooooooooooooooon or what!  

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[zumzero]

HAHAHAHAHA!

Bloody brilliant Crumbs.

You are so funny! Where do you get all those hilarious images and cartoons from.

Superb.  Just superb.

Lol HAHAHAHAHA!

[radiumsoup]

No.

Quite a compelling argument you've got going there.

Fortunately, I don't have to compel anyone but myself. I told you my thoughts, I also disagree with your view.

I'm confused why you chose to take the time to post "no", then. Normally, if I see something and think "I don't agree with that, but I don't feel compelled to make an adequate argument to change their or anyone else's mind", I just go to the next thread, or go get some cheetos or something. I don't usually take the time to voice my unsubstantiative displeasure with a monosyllabic grunt. Then again, I usually try to add to the discussions I'm involved with, but I guess that's just my way of doing things. Sorry for projecting.

I don't have the time nor the interest to go into this further. "No", simply meant, I acknowledge what you wrote, I disagree, and I have no interest in discussing it anymore.

Perhaps.

[bobdude17]

Professionalism 101 : Don't show unfinished work.

Take the website down if it is not ready yet. Which it obviously is not.
How hard is this really?

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HAHAHAHAHA!

Bloody brilliant Crumbs.

You are so funny! Where do you get all those hilarious images and cartoons from.

Superb.  Just superb.

Lol HAHAHAHAHA!

Why thank you, zumzero, but you deserve all the props.  I don't do a thing --you must work hard to give me such awesome openers.
Whenever you post, the comebacks just write themselves.
A bell around ur neck for being mah bestest lolcow, and thanks for all the milks!

[zumzero]

So who bought preorders from ActiveMining?
Do we have a rough estimates? Or at least forum members saying they did?

Considering "All Specification Subject To Changes Without Notice." it's a bold bet.

Iirc Ken revealed information soon after the first per-orders were made.  As I recall this made quite a stir on the forum as people started to debate when divs for these orders should be paid.  This was a wee while ago and by all accounts, if pre-orders have continued since then, well the order books could be pretty healthy looking.

[knybe]

hey lewicki,

Any chance of seeing the final website design comps you presented?

[lewicki]

hey lewicki,

Any chance of seeing the final website design comps you presented?

I would prefer to keep it shelved, if enough people want to see it, I'll drop the link though.

[auto2nr1]

hey lewicki,

Any chance of seeing the final website design comps you presented?

I would prefer to keep it shelved, if enough people want to see it, I'll drop the link though.

I want to see it.

[knybe]

hey lewicki,

Any chance of seeing the final website design comps you presented?

I would prefer to keep it shelved, if enough people want to see it, I'll drop the link though.

cool, no worries.

[hazryder]

hey lewicki,

Any chance of seeing the final website design comps you presented?

I would prefer to keep it shelved, if enough people want to see it, I'll drop the link though.

I want to see it.

I'll +1 that, It'd be interesting to see the current mockups for the site.

[bbxx]

Any numbers?

Group buys sections tells the truth, miner shares

Huge number of knc
Big number of bitfury
Some of hashfast, cointerra bfl and avalon
Little of xcrowd

Only one vmc fast hash group buy, 256Gh/s
Failed miserably...

There is no discussion about vmc miners in custom hardware forum due to one self moderated, mostly censored, unanswered thread.
Sorry, i forgot.
There is one topic started by nigerian guy laughing at VMC 357k usd miner.

On securites forum there is a post about mining shares and ipos, vmc was not mentioned.

[ThickAsThieves]

Any numbers?

Group buys sections tells the truth, miner shares

Huge number of knc
Big number of bitfury
Some of hashfast, cointerra bfl and avalon
Little of xcrowd

Only one vmc fast hash group buy, 256Gh/s
Failed miserably...

There is no discussion about vmc miners in custom hardware forum due to one self moderated, mostly censored, unanswered thread.
Sorry, i forgot.
There is one topic started by nigerian guy laughing at VMC 357k usd miner.

On securites forum there is a post about mining shares and ipos, vmc was not mentioned.

More Notes From Ken's Underground please.

[lewicki]

http://vmctest.com

DO NOT PLACE ORDERS

Few notes:
-The support page is laid out but inoperative.
-Ordering through Coinbase does work.
-Pricing is not indicative of current prices.
-Footer is not fleshed out.
-Emails come through with HTML, since an SMTP mail server was not hooked up to it.

Built it in 3 weeks while home from work staying up to 4 am most nights.

Fully AJAX (quick loads, no page refreshes)

Logo:
hazryder https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=84063

Splash:
knybe  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=24307

Notes:
Check out the Fast-Hash Builder on the products page.

Fully mobile.

Offered this to Ken 2 weeks ago for free, since it was supposed to coincide with the press release. This was turned down because it did not run off of the PrestaShop shopping cart software. The way the 2 are built makes them completely incompatible. I offered again to make the Prestashop modules for free, but was turned down. He has the same design team that did the SEO on the current site, working on the rebuild (I'm told that he was rebuilding it, all I have seen changed so far is the splash and the ... logo).

It doesn't have a robust back end. That could have been built out in the future.

[bbxx]

So who bought preorders from ActiveMining?
Do we have a rough estimates? Or at least forum members saying they did?

Considering "All Specification Subject To Changes Without Notice." it's a bold bet.

Read and ask is it a badly crafted scam or real offer...

Hashing Cards: Select the hashing speed you want to purchase, the correct number of hashing card(s) will automaticly be ordered.  Our ASIC is being developed using eASIC Fast Turnaround NEW ASICs
The base unit allows for up to 2 cards and goes from 64 GH/s to 384 GH/s
Pre-Order Terms: This is a pre-order. 28nm ASIC products are shipped according to placement in the order queue, and delivery may take 3 months or more after order.
This equipment is solely intended for use in commercial environments.
This product will be shipped directly from the United Satates.  You will be responsible for all Duties and Taxes.
All Specification Subject To Changes Without Notice.
This product is covered by our
Limited Replacement Only Return Policy and our DOA Policy.

Sales went well...

Compare this crap to knc cointerra hashfast websites... Lol