[ActiveMining] The Official Active Mining Discussion Thread

[lewicki]

No.

Quite a compelling argument you've got going there.

Fortunately, I don't have to compel anyone but myself. I told you my thoughts, I also disagree with your view.

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"My god, just look at it...." --N_S

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I am a sick man. ... I am a spiteful man. I am an unattractive man. I believe my website is diseased. However, I know nothing at all about my website, and do not know for certain what ails it. I don't consult a designer for it, and never have, though I have a respect for graphic arts and designers. Besides, I am extremely superstitious, sufficiently so to respect web design, anyway (I am well-educated enough not to be superstitious, but I am superstitious). No, I refuse to consult a designer from spite. That you probably will not understand. Well, I understand it, though. Of course, I can't explain who it is precisely that I am mortifying in this case by my spite: I am perfectly well aware that I cannot "pay out" the designers by not consulting them; I know better than anyone that by all this I am only injuring myself and no one else. But still, if I don't consult a designer it is from spite. My website is bad, well--let it get worse!

Notes From Ken's Underground,  --A Classic.

[Pale Phoenix]

It's the Internet! I'm sure bob is great in person but people think that they can say stuff online that you'd probably get decked for in real life.

Going back to the topic in hand. Production management stuff is really down to what ken delivers. He either does that or he doesn't. That is, delivers eASIC devices and chips as specified. There is nothing you can ask for or do that will change this side of things, that's why it's frustrating seeing them brought up.

If you invested in ActM, you invested in the belief that he would deliver. easic came through so next is chip or board details. The ipo was only a few weeks ago really! Bitcoin is a crazy world where people have no patience (try investing in the real world, sheesh!). I'm not excusing the lack of information flow, once again, just the level of detail requested and the song and dance and insults over it.

Conversely, marketing discussions actually have a real point and could go somewhere. Marketing affects sales, simple as.

Re: shares: I don't think there can be any money raising now, it's done (except for a very small number if shares). Not caring about share price at all could be disruptive in pr terms. I think there is a balance. I certainly think the lack of regular updates and eASIC timing contributed to some big sales on bitfunder.

I know, I'm a terrible person for wanting people to behave like adults on a forum!

You are doing a mostly thankless job but many of us do appreciate the time you've all put in. I'm especially grateful that you were able to get the eAsic deal confirmed, as that was the biggest bit of uncertainty around this entire enterprise from my perspective.

I attended business school with a majority of engineers so it doesn't surprise me at all that Ken thinks that the marketing, website, and communication strategy are non essential at this stage of the game. As a marketing person, it's very difficult to understand this view, and incredibly frustrating when seemingly simple things are put on the back burner, but this company is run by an engineer, so his world view is going to prevail. Hopefully he sees the wisdom of bringing on people who can handle these things without diverting his attention from the product.

Obviously I think the website is "suboptimal" LOL, but I'm assuming it can effectively take orders? Oh and Ken may be attached to that old logo because it's on the side of his building.

[radiumsoup]

No.

Quite a compelling argument you've got going there.

Fortunately, I don't have to compel anyone but myself. I told you my thoughts, I also disagree with your view.

I'm confused why you chose to take the time to post "no", then. Normally, if I see something and think "I don't agree with that, but I don't feel compelled to make an adequate argument to change their or anyone else's mind", I just go to the next thread, or go get some cheetos or something. I don't usually take the time to voice my unsubstantiative displeasure with a monosyllabic grunt. Then again, I usually try to add to the discussions I'm involved with, but I guess that's just my way of doing things. Sorry for projecting.

[lewicki]

No.

Quite a compelling argument you've got going there.

Fortunately, I don't have to compel anyone but myself. I told you my thoughts, I also disagree with your view.

I'm confused why you chose to take the time to post "no", then. Normally, if I see something and think "I don't agree with that, but I don't feel compelled to make an adequate argument to change their or anyone else's mind", I just go to the next thread, or go get some cheetos or something. I don't usually take the time to voice my unsubstantiative displeasure with a monosyllabic grunt. Then again, I usually try to add to the discussions I'm involved with, but I guess that's just my way of doing things. Sorry for projecting.

I don't have the time nor the interest to go into this further. "No", simply meant, I acknowledge what you wrote, I disagree, and I have no interest in discussing it anymore.

[ffssixtynine]

I attended business school with a majority of engineers so it doesn't surprise me at all that Ken thinks that the marketing, website, and communication strategy are non essential at this stage of the game. As a marketing person, it's very difficult to understand this view, and incredibly frustrating when seemingly simple things are put on the back burner, but this company is run by an engineer, so his world view is going to prevail. Hopefully he sees the wisdom of bringing on people who can handle these things without diverting his attention from the product.

Obviously I think the website is "suboptimal" LOL, but I'm assuming it can effectively take orders? Oh and Ken may be attached to that old logo because it's on the side of his building.

The engineer 'issue' is not uncommon but it is frustrating. Once you accept that he doesn't see this, you have to work out how to handle it without butting heads constantly since it's progress that matters, not getting your own way or being right.

I think that chip sales and an open source board design (VBS pointed this out) could be a good way to do it, as you're targeting a different group of people and can open different customer channels. Other chips are big and less flexible than eASIC's. Things like a website lacking in taste and complex ordering options are then far less relevant.

Purely personal opinion but I think Ken should be grabbing the Avalon audience and doing deals with all of them over this forum. Compared to selling units and boards, especially in the current market, it's much easier money.

If you're going to be techie, sell to techies. And, of course, do a lot of your own mining

[zumzero]

Maybe there is a good reason as to why Ken is not prioritising the website.

Any guesses?

Okay, here's mine.  He's already taken a gazillion pre-orders and doesn't need anymore as his production schedule is already full.  As will be your bitcoin wallets from phenomenal divs.


To the frikin Moooooooooooooooon or what!  

[hazryder]

Maybe there is a good reason as to why Ken is not prioritising the website.

Any guesses?

Okay, here mine.  He's already taken a gazillion per-orders and doesn't need anymore as his production schedule is already full.  As will be your bitcoin wallets from phenomenal divs.


The the frikin Moooooooooooooooon or what! 

Well that's a better way of looking at it, unfortunately I'm doubtful but you never know.

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[zumzero]

HAHAHAHAHA!

Bloody brilliant Crumbs.

You are so funny! Where do you get all those hilarious images and cartoons from.

Superb.  Just superb.

Lol HAHAHAHAHA!

[radiumsoup]

No.

Quite a compelling argument you've got going there.

Fortunately, I don't have to compel anyone but myself. I told you my thoughts, I also disagree with your view.

I'm confused why you chose to take the time to post "no", then. Normally, if I see something and think "I don't agree with that, but I don't feel compelled to make an adequate argument to change their or anyone else's mind", I just go to the next thread, or go get some cheetos or something. I don't usually take the time to voice my unsubstantiative displeasure with a monosyllabic grunt. Then again, I usually try to add to the discussions I'm involved with, but I guess that's just my way of doing things. Sorry for projecting.

I don't have the time nor the interest to go into this further. "No", simply meant, I acknowledge what you wrote, I disagree, and I have no interest in discussing it anymore.

Perhaps.

[bobdude17]

Professionalism 101 : Don't show unfinished work.

Take the website down if it is not ready yet. Which it obviously is not.
How hard is this really?

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HAHAHAHAHA!

Bloody brilliant Crumbs.

You are so funny! Where do you get all those hilarious images and cartoons from.

Superb.  Just superb.

Lol HAHAHAHAHA!

Why thank you, zumzero, but you deserve all the props.  I don't do a thing --you must work hard to give me such awesome openers.
Whenever you post, the comebacks just write themselves.
A bell around ur neck for being mah bestest lolcow, and thanks for all the milks!

[zumzero]

So who bought preorders from ActiveMining?
Do we have a rough estimates? Or at least forum members saying they did?

Considering "All Specification Subject To Changes Without Notice." it's a bold bet.

Iirc Ken revealed information soon after the first per-orders were made.  As I recall this made quite a stir on the forum as people started to debate when divs for these orders should be paid.  This was a wee while ago and by all accounts, if pre-orders have continued since then, well the order books could be pretty healthy looking.

[knybe]

hey lewicki,

Any chance of seeing the final website design comps you presented?

[lewicki]

hey lewicki,

Any chance of seeing the final website design comps you presented?

I would prefer to keep it shelved, if enough people want to see it, I'll drop the link though.

[auto2nr1]

hey lewicki,

Any chance of seeing the final website design comps you presented?

I would prefer to keep it shelved, if enough people want to see it, I'll drop the link though.

I want to see it.

[knybe]

hey lewicki,

Any chance of seeing the final website design comps you presented?

I would prefer to keep it shelved, if enough people want to see it, I'll drop the link though.

cool, no worries.

[hazryder]

hey lewicki,

Any chance of seeing the final website design comps you presented?

I would prefer to keep it shelved, if enough people want to see it, I'll drop the link though.

I want to see it.

I'll +1 that, It'd be interesting to see the current mockups for the site.

[bbxx]

Any numbers?

Group buys sections tells the truth, miner shares

Huge number of knc
Big number of bitfury
Some of hashfast, cointerra bfl and avalon
Little of xcrowd

Only one vmc fast hash group buy, 256Gh/s
Failed miserably...

There is no discussion about vmc miners in custom hardware forum due to one self moderated, mostly censored, unanswered thread.
Sorry, i forgot.
There is one topic started by nigerian guy laughing at VMC 357k usd miner.

On securites forum there is a post about mining shares and ipos, vmc was not mentioned.