HashFast announces specs for new ASIC: 400GH/s

[Visesrion]

I'm planning to visit the HashFast office in SF this Wednesday.

It will be a fairly short affair (30m), but I would be happy to relay some forum questions in person. No guarantees I'll get answers though

Thanks for the help

The question:
 - What to do to change a BJ ordered into a sierra ? Or if you like, will you change the first batch BJ into sierras as a compensation for the delays ?
   If they say no. Why not ?
   They will say again that the hardware of the BJ have already been ordered (even we have not seen any pcb or board). The hardware of the BJ is the same as for a sierra: modular boards with chips, raspberry, psu and cooling. All the same except the case. I will pay them the case if that is their next excuse.
   What I want is to have the 1,2TH as the second batch of sierras will have in the 10 days of difference between batches. Its them fault to manage so bad with them marketing and delays. With this 1,2TH we will be able to ROI and wont have to apply for the MPP, so they will earn those chips in the future. I think lot of people, if not everybody will switch into a sierra and refuse to the MPP. At least give us the chance

- Any pics will be welcome, especially about the pcbs they claim to have ordered

[bitly]

well, ask what they are going to do for batch 1 BJ owners as the prospect of earning positive ROI is now close to 0

I'm planning to visit the HashFast office in SF this Wednesday.

It will be a fairly short affair (30m), but I would be happy to relay some forum questions in person. No guarantees I'll get answers though

[ImI]

I'm planning to visit the HashFast office in SF this Wednesday.

It will be a fairly short affair (30m), but I would be happy to relay some forum questions in person. No guarantees I'll get answers though

Ask them when we can expect the MPP to be delivered.

It kicks in with negative ROI 90 days after delivery, but how long will it take after those 90 days till we receive the MPP-boards?

[itod]

I'm planning to visit the HashFast office in SF this Wednesday.

It will be a fairly short affair (30m), but I would be happy to relay some forum questions in person. No guarantees I'll get answers though

Ask them if they are thinking about announcing MPP starts November 1st, regardless of the late delivery date. That's the least decent company would do after messing with their product value and company reputation so hard. If they answer you they are not even considering it, than I know what to think about them.

[DeathAndTaxes]

I'm planning to visit the HashFast office in SF this Wednesday.

It will be a fairly short affair (30m), but I would be happy to relay some forum questions in person. No guarantees I'll get answers though

Ask them if they are thinking about announcing MPP starts November 1st, regardless of the late delivery date. That's the least decent company would do after messing with their product value and company reputation so hard. If they answer you they are not even considering it, than I know what to think about them.

+1 on this.  Since HF planned on shipping by 1 Nov then then they had to plan on MPP going into effect 31 Jan.  Pushing the MPP back because they failed to ship on time (even if allowed per the wording of the MPP) is poor faith.   There is no reason the MPP window shouldn't be 1 Nov to 31 Jan.

[Visesrion]

I will ask here before opening a poll. For the first batch customers, what your prefer:

a) BJ in mid november and stay with the MPP starting the day shipped
b) BJ in mid november and the MPP starting 1st november
c) Turn your order into a sierra that ships in late november and refuse to the MPP

I will take c) option. I think its the minimun HF should be offering the their customers as the hardware is the SAME , the only thing that changes is the case and more chips of course. At least give us the chance, you already got our money. The option b) is also nice but it depends on the hashrate and its a bit more risky.

Edit: if you think another fair option just write it down

[ImI]

b.)

[itod]

b)

[MrTeal]

I think c) is absolutely not going to happen. You're kidding yourself if you think they'll send you a Sierra in place of a BabyJet.
I would add d) Allow September BabyJet users to upgrade to a MPP-less November Sierra units for the difference in price ($1440), while keeping their place in line.
It would basically mean that you get 1.5TH/s in November (assuming they hit mid-late November) in the Sierra case for an extra $1440, instead of getting a 0.5TH/s BabyJet in mid-November and another 1.5TH/s in loose modules in mid-February.
It's still a win IMO though, and I think it's a lot more likely to happen.

[Visesrion]

I think c) is absolutely not going to happen. You're kidding yourself if you think they'll send you a Sierra in place of a BabyJet.
I would add d) Allow September BabyJet users to upgrade to a MPP-less November Sierra units for the difference in price ($1440), while keeping their place in line.
It would basically mean that you get 1.5TH/s in November (assuming they hit mid-late November) in the Sierra case for an extra $1440, instead of getting a 0.5TH/s BabyJet in mid-November and another 1.5TH/s in loose modules in mid-February.
It's still a win IMO though, and I think it's a lot more likely to happen.

Sorry but the sierra was on "sale" 3 days, when you could purchase it for 6000$. That is 400$ difference. I will pay them without any problem or they could also earn them as compensation for the delay, but that could be just to ambitious for my self as HF does not seem to take care of the first batch customers. I will be happy enough if the first one happens
At least they should give us the chance to change the orders or offer a compensation

[ninjarobot]

Thanks all. These are all good questions and suggestions.

Personally I think the best scenario would be to accelerate the delivery of the MPP modules for batch1 owners to compensate for the delays. At this point, there is no need to wait 3 month to conclude that a BJ in the current situation (delays+difficulty) is not going to break even by a large margin.

However, I do think that HF should do this in a way that does not disadvantage Batch 2 and 3 owners. So immediately after Batch 3 would be ideal. Realistically that would be late December or early January.

[MrTeal]

I think c) is absolutely not going to happen. You're kidding yourself if you think they'll send you a Sierra in place of a BabyJet.
I would add d) Allow September BabyJet users to upgrade to a MPP-less November Sierra units for the difference in price ($1440), while keeping their place in line.
It would basically mean that you get 1.5TH/s in November (assuming they hit mid-late November) in the Sierra case for an extra $1440, instead of getting a 0.5TH/s BabyJet in mid-November and another 1.5TH/s in loose modules in mid-February.
It's still a win IMO though, and I think it's a lot more likely to happen.

Sorry but the sierra was on "sale" 3 days, when you could purchase it for 6000$. That is 400$ difference. I will pay them without any problem or they could also earn them as compensation for the delay, but that could be just to ambitious for my self as HF does not seem to take care of the first batch customers. I will be happy enough if the first one happens
At least they should give us the chance to change the orders or offer a compensation

Should and will are likely two extremely different things.
The most likely scenario is something along the lines of
"Hey HashFast, can we get our.."
"No."
"But it's late, how about"
"No."
"But that's not fair..."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53s13hXBX8w&t=1m42s

I'd love to see a $400 upgrade to a November Sierra. I don't see them giving anything though.

[DeathAndTaxes]

I will ask here before opening a poll. For the first batch customers, what your prefer:

a) BJ in mid november and stay with the MPP starting the day shipped
b) BJ in mid november and the MPP starting 1st november
c) Turn your order into a sierra that ships in late november and refuse to the MPP

Um who would choose a over b?

[Visesrion]

Um who would choose a over b?

Well there may be people that thinks that is fair what HF is doing, so just for giving all the range options I put it there. But apart from the HF itself I don't think that nobody will choose a)

[Visesrion]

For the next 3 days, prices have been slashed on Baby Jet’s and Sierra’s. Now is the time to invest in additional rigs. Sale ends Monday at 11:59PM PST!

For those who already ordered a first batch Baby Jet, would it be possible to trade it for a Sierra on sale? How much extra would that cost for the device (beyond the $400 difference) and shipping?

Contact sales@hashfast.com, they should be able to help you.

Well, I mailed them and got this reply:

In regards to your questions below, we are unable to cancel your current order as we have already ordered the hardware that will be required to assemble your unit.

Just to remind that from the 23 of September they are supposed to have ordered the hardware for the BJ, which is the same as for the sierra and we have not seen yet. It's the exact same message that they told me days ago when I suggest them to offer the upgrade into sierras orders

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yes, then don't order.

in fact, you can blame me for advising them not to take cc's.  ...

...
 risk is in the eye of the beholder.  committed customers of HashFast know the situation and will consider it not much of a risk to wait 4 mo at the end of which they can get a refund. customers jumping in and out of orders during the preorder time period increases workload and inefficiencies.  i, as a customer of KNC and Megabig, was exploiting this inefficiency for my own protection/advantage.  ...

So much win

[cypherdoc]

damn.  clarification on the airflow direction from the psu's for the Sierras.

D&T is correct, the Seasonics intake air from the sides and exhaust out the back.  i swear Simon told me the opposite.  oh well.

[crumbs]

damn.  clarification on the airflow direction from the psu's for the Sierras.

D&T is correct, the Seasonics intake air from the sides and exhaust out the back.  i swear Simon told me the opposite.  oh well.

I think your apology was misdirected.  D&T has nothing to do with this

Guys, i've yet to understand to what date we have to sum this week of delay to. 17 of october? 25 of october? 30 of october?
And what's this expensive (for our pockets) component? Are you running out of capacitors? (avalon did, remember?)

Up.

Up. Plus:



Please tell me that there is a good reason to put the PSU air intake there, in a spot that once in a rack, no air can come trough.

And if such a good reason doesn't exist, i HAVE to conclude that it is only a rendering of a non existing case for something that will not ship anytime soon done and approved from people that doesn't have any idea of what they are doing.

Those are psu exhaust openings on the side.

Looo!! Cypher, have you opened a 'puter box open IRL?  Not only is that an intake, but reversing teh fan would only make things worse, with PS sucking in the hot exhaust.  If the intake on the side is blocked off by rack walls (it isn't, most racks don't block the sides), so would the exhaust

No. Simon and I have talked specifically about this. Those are exhaust openings in the sides. In fact, one has to make provisions for this in their rack selection.

[aerobatic]

damn.  clarification on the airflow direction from the psu's for the Sierras.

D&T is correct, the Seasonics intake air from the sides and exhaust out the back.  i swear Simon told me the opposite.  oh well.

cypherdoc -

its also possible that hashfast has special ordered versions of the seasonic psus that have the airflow reversed...

-- Jez

[cypherdoc]

damn.  clarification on the airflow direction from the psu's for the Sierras.

D&T is correct, the Seasonics intake air from the sides and exhaust out the back.  i swear Simon told me the opposite.  oh well.

cypherdoc -

its also possible that hashfast has special ordered versions of the seasonic psus that have the airflow reversed...

-- Jez

no, i just heard back from him right now.  but i swear i heard the opposite from him earlier.  no matter.