Black Arrow 28nm 100Ghash Bitcoin ASIC from $0.49/GH/s

[huryde]

Nov here. I was only able to buy 1 direct at the time so it looks like I might not get much compensation.

[Robin32]

Anyone intrested in 2 orders from BA, 2x X3's

Selling them from Batch2, orderd and pay'd on 21 jan and 18 jan.
Order number: 3882 & 3842

Normal price -> 6148.71 dollar each piece
Price now -> 6000,00 dollar each piece!

Send me a mail admin@dclaeys.be - Belgium

[y_boonstra]

Anyone intrested in 2 orders from BA, 2x X3's

Selling them from Batch2, orderd and pay'd on 21 jan and 18 jan.
Order number: 3882 & 3842

Normal price -> 6148.71 dollar each piece
Price now -> 6000,00 dollar each piece!

Send me a mail admin@dclaeys.be - Belgium

LOL your joking wright ?

[RoadStress]

Anyone intrested in 2 orders from BA, 2x X3's

Selling them from Batch2, orderd and pay'd on 21 jan and 18 jan.
Order number: 3882 & 3842

Normal price -> 6148.71 dollar each piece
Price now -> 6000,00 dollar each piece!

Send me a mail admin@dclaeys.be - Belgium

LOL your joking wright ?

Can't be joking! It's $150 cheaper. Best deal ever for non-shipping products.

[raskul]

Anyone intrested in 2 orders from BA, 2x X3's

Selling them from Batch2, orderd and pay'd on 21 jan and 18 jan.
Order number: 3882 & 3842

Normal price -> 6148.71 dollar each piece
Price now -> 6000,00 dollar each piece!

Send me a mail admin@dclaeys.be - Belgium

if you are willing to take a €150 hit on what you have paid out, you would be just as well getting a lawyer to write a refund demand letter to Black Arrow - it'll cost you less than that   and you will also be doing the community a great service; who knows, it may just turn into a class action that we can all contribute to  - why hasn't this been discussed before? or has it?

[xstr8guy]

Anyone intrested in 2 orders from BA, 2x X3's

Selling them from Batch2, orderd and pay'd on 21 jan and 18 jan.
Order number: 3882 & 3842

Normal price -> 6148.71 dollar each piece
Price now -> 6000,00 dollar each piece!

Send me a mail admin@dclaeys.be - Belgium

if you are willing to take a €150 hit on what you have paid out, you would be just as well getting a lawyer to write a refund demand letter to Black Arrow - it'll cost you less than that   and you will also be doing the community a great service; who knows, it may just turn into a class action that we can all contribute to  - why hasn't this been discussed before? or has it?

Yeah, except there's absolutely no guarantee that you will win. Why double-down on a bad bet? I'm in a legal battle with a former landlord. It would have cost me less just to walk away at a loss than try to get what was legally mine.

[raskul]

Anyone intrested in 2 orders from BA, 2x X3's

Selling them from Batch2, orderd and pay'd on 21 jan and 18 jan.
Order number: 3882 & 3842

Normal price -> 6148.71 dollar each piece
Price now -> 6000,00 dollar each piece!

Send me a mail admin@dclaeys.be - Belgium

if you are willing to take a €150 hit on what you have paid out, you would be just as well getting a lawyer to write a refund demand letter to Black Arrow - it'll cost you less than that   and you will also be doing the community a great service; who knows, it may just turn into a class action that we can all contribute to  - why hasn't this been discussed before? or has it?

Yeah, except there's absolutely no guarantee that you will win. Why double-down on a bad bet? I'm in a legal battle with a former landlord. It would have cost me less just to walk away at a loss than try to get what was legally mine.

that is often the case, i'm afraid. However in this case, we all know that there is a snowball's chance in hell the OP will sell that, at that price - if he is able to sell it at all. Anyone want to buy some Hashfail BabyJets? anyone? anyone? Bueller?

[chomeop]

Order no. 3# reporting in.

From: http://www.blackarrowsoftware.com/store/terms-and-conditions-en.html#purchase

15.4 Miscellaneous
You agree and we agree to waive, to the maximum extent permitted by law, any right to a jury trial with respect to any dispute and all disputes will be resolved through binding arbitration. Because this waiver may not be effective in some jurisdictions, this waiver may not apply to you. You acknowledge that you have read this agreement, that you understand it, that you agree to be bound by its terms, and that this is the complete and exclusive statement of the agreement between you and us regarding the Hardware and Software.

Also worth a look is:
Force Majeure
13.1 We are exempted from fulfilling its obligations under this Sales Agreement and is entitled to cancel the Purchaser’s confirmed orders without any liability, in the event of force majeure such as strikes, floods and fires, wars, riots, interruptions in transport, shortage of material or energy sources affecting Our or Our sub-suppliers, accidents or other occurrences which affects sub-suppliers’ production, bankruptcy or compulsory liquidation of a sub-supplier, accidents of any kind, governmental decisions which affects manufacturing or use of the Products and, in general, such events that were unforeseen at the time of the order which prevents or hinder manufacturing, transportation or delivery of the Products to the Purchaser.

Not stirring, just informing those who hadn't bothered to read the T's and C's.

I'm getting a but tired of the continual 'next week' updates. But all we can do is wait

[chomeop]

Order no. 3# reporting in.

*edited due to length*

Not stirring, just informing those who hadn't bothered to read the T's and C's.

I'm getting a but tired of the continual 'next week' updates. But all we can do is wait

The February 24th shipping date was a lie and you can't base a contract on a lie; the TOS are null and void.

See:http://www.blackarrowsoftware.com/store/terms-and-conditions-en.html#purchase

Delivery Terms
9.1 The Products are delivered to the delivery address specified by the Purchaser, unless otherwise agreed. The delivery date is provided for information purposes only and shall not be binding on Us. The Purchaser is not entitled to refuse acceptance of the Products, withdraw, cancel or revoke the order or make claims for compensation due to any delayed delivery.
9.2 Where delivery is delayed due to any of the circumstances constituting force majeure in accordance with "Force Majeure" below or due to any act or omission by the Purchaser, the delivery period shall be extended by such a period as is reasonable in light of the circumstances. The delivery period shall also be extended where the cause of the delay arises after the expiry of the originally agreed delivery period.

[jimmothy]

Nobody agrees to get scammed.

Do delays = scam?

Because if you agreed to preorder then you agreed to delays. And thus have agreed to get "scammed".

[chomeop]

It may well be a lie, but good luck convincing a court that without hard evidence. At the very best we have circumstantial evidence that somethong could be going on.

Courts, especially initial hearings don't weigh circumstance very heavily compared to hard evidence.

BA has all the time in the world, we've all signed away our right legal right to do anything, until someone can prove (with actual evidence) BA has done something wrong or has knowingly misconstrued its terms to customers, there is nothi g that can be done.

[primer10]

If setting a date and not following it, may as well say "sometime in the future" right from the start. Not going to do so well for its sale but at least they are honest.

[drewage]

VeriSilicon, GlobalFoundries and the chip packaging company will all be able to give time estimates on their services. The evidence that Black Arrow lied about their February 24th shipping date looks solid to me.

I'm not defending BA but using the word lied would seem to indicate malice aforethought and without emails or other documentation I think that will be a lot harder to prove than mismanagement.

[me2014]

Well for those wondering where the "lie" comes in, there is hard evidence that could easily implicate BA if it came to that.  I am getting ready for work, so I am sure someone else can look up the dates/posts and what not or it could be done later if you don't believe me, but, there are posts from BA's account saying that everything is on track for the February delivery date, and some even saying they were slightly ahead of schedule.  This happened up to under a month before the expected first delivery date.  This was an outright lie, and ploy to attract more sales, as they full well knew that the chip hadn't even taped out yet.  Any novel in computer can tell you that you need at least 2 months for the tape out process, then add in another month or so for ironing out problems and getting production underway (Although BA has passed the 1 month mark of that).

So, there is your outright lie, just to drum up more sales from customers who were expecting delivery in under a month.  They knew they hadn't taped out, and as such, there was no possible way they could meet the February deadline, although they repeatedly reported that they were on time and/or ahead of schedule.

+100

[btcminer84]

Please be patient. The next week is coming... 

[abdullahadam]

Please be patient. The next week is coming... 

I dont get it.. next week comes every week

[Majixagi]

Please be patient. The next week is coming... 

I dont get it.. next week comes every week

Which is why it makes the perfect deadline.

[ChuckBuck]

Is BA one week, the new BFL 2 weeks?

Just stringin' us along like a used tampon...

[vmfx]

What I dont understand here is, if I ordered from Minersource - then aren't they responsible for my refund ? I have been trying to get a refund from them for months now to no avail.

Even offered to get a store credit instead and buy different kit from them but nothing but lies lies lies from those guys and finger pointing. We are feeling very ripped off by Minersource, who cares about BlackArrow they didnt sell me a lie...

People should boycott them until they do right by their customers.

[Majixagi]

What I dont understand here is, if I ordered from Minersource - then aren't they responsible for my refund ? I have been trying to get a refund from them for months now to no avail.

Even offered to get a store credit instead and buy different kit from them but nothing but lies lies lies from those guys and finger pointing. We are feeling very ripped off by Minersource, who cares about BlackArrow they didnt sell me a lie...

People should boycott them until they do right by their customers.

Well I hate to sound like a shill for minersource, but this appears to be your first post here on this account complaining about them not refunding you. I asked for a refund and was refunded as were many others. If you follow their email procedure and be a squeaky wheel in their threads I am sure you will see results. They aren't always super fast about responding, but they do respond.