NXT :: descendant of Bitcoin - Updated Information

[mcjavar]

TestNxt please 17081684614434671224

[mthcl]

Version 0.2 of the article: http://www.docdroid.net/a08e/forging.pdf.html (several misprints corrected and a numerical example added). Thanks a lot to everybody who sent me comments, suggestions, and NXT!

Question: can someone help me to plot the funcion delta(b) in (13), so that I can include the plot there? Pdf or png are OK.

Just a reminder: discuss it in https://forums.nxtcrypto.org/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=836&p=4352, or send me a PM.

[grandpa_seth]

TestNxt please 17081684614434671224

I only had 1770 so I sent you 1500

[mcjavar]

TestNxt please 17081684614434671224

I only had 1770 so I sent you 1500

Thank you!

[btc2nxt]

TestNxt please 17081684614434671224

I only had 1770 so I sent you 1500

Thank you!

sent 3k

[grandpa_seth]

You're welcome mcjavar.


Question: Someone was selling 100 XCP for a price of 1 Nxt. I wanted to see what happens if I put in a buy order for 100 XCP but at a price
of 2 Nxt. Later I see that I indeed have 100 more XCP but at what price? I guess my question is if I put a higher price than the seller asks
then the seller gets more than he asked?

Plus to me there is no easy way to account for my balance. I wanted to verify what price I paid and how many nxt I spent on that order. There is no intuitive if any way for me to find that out like at an exchange where you can see your order history details.
How many at what price and what time. I'm average joe schmo.

[btc2nxt]

Asset Tester version 0.2 Windows Platform

https://bitbucket.org/btc2nxt/nxt_tester/downloads/Nxt_Tester_Win32_64.rar

[opticalcarrier]

Nxt is being developed with payment privacy in mind.  I have not revealed details yet, but I can say that there is a special account in Nxt (recipient #0), later it will be used for advanced features (mixing, escrow, etc.)

well I just came across this from the original thread; is it obsolete?  BTW I found it on the wiki under whitepaper section....  Im very impressed with what you braintrust guys have put together so far.  Ive determined that Im finally going to spend some time and understand hit/target and the formula for when an account can forge...

[opticalcarrier]

wait a tic...

Genesis block ID is 2680262203532249785, generated by account 1739068987193023818. Then 793 seconds later, account 10105875265190846103 which at the time had 170486123 as its balance, generated block 6556228577102711328.  But at that point its effectiveBalance was still 0. So how did anyone ever generate ANY blocks.  It seems there should have been a permanent catch-22 situation here.  Did the first clients simply not have the concept of effectiveBalance?

[bidji29]

wait a tic...

Genesis block ID is 2680262203532249785, generated by account 1739068987193023818. At that point, we already knew that the next block's ID was going to be 6556228577102711328.  Then 793 seconds later, account 10105875265190846103 which at the time had 170486123 as its balance, generated block 6556228577102711328.  But at that point its effectiveBalance was still 0. So how did anyone ever generate ANY blocks.  It seems there should have been a permanent catch-22 situation here.  Did the first clients simply not have the concept of effectiveBalance?

I think the 72 original  account were hardcoded in NXT. And they weren't affected by the 1440 "maturation" period.

Something like that. I think it's not the case anymore.

[xyzzyx]

wait a tic...

Genesis block ID is 2680262203532249785, generated by account 1739068987193023818. Then 793 seconds later, account 10105875265190846103 which at the time had 170486123 as its balance, generated block 6556228577102711328.  But at that point its effectiveBalance was still 0. So how did anyone ever generate ANY blocks.  It seems there should have been a permanent catch-22 situation here.  Did the first clients simply not have the concept of effectiveBalance?

In getEffectiveBalance() it checks if the account creation was at block height 0, and if so it always returns the account's actual balance.

[opticalcarrier]

wait a tic...

Genesis block ID is 2680262203532249785, generated by account 1739068987193023818. Then 793 seconds later, account 10105875265190846103 which at the time had 170486123 as its balance, generated block 6556228577102711328.  But at that point its effectiveBalance was still 0. So how did anyone ever generate ANY blocks.  It seems there should have been a permanent catch-22 situation here.  Did the first clients simply not have the concept of effectiveBalance?

In getEffectiveBalance() it checks if the account creation was at block height 0, and if so it always returns the account's actual balance.

still?  so these 73 accounts can juggle their NXT around and immediately forge with all of it w/o waiting?

[xyzzyx]

wait a tic...

Genesis block ID is 2680262203532249785, generated by account 1739068987193023818. Then 793 seconds later, account 10105875265190846103 which at the time had 170486123 as its balance, generated block 6556228577102711328.  But at that point its effectiveBalance was still 0. So how did anyone ever generate ANY blocks.  It seems there should have been a permanent catch-22 situation here.  Did the first clients simply not have the concept of effectiveBalance?

In getEffectiveBalance() it checks if the account creation was at block height 0, and if so it always returns the account's actual balance.

still?  so these 73 accounts can juggle their NXT around and immediately forge with all of it w/o waiting?

It's in there but it never executes since it checks block milestones.

https://bitbucket.org/JeanLucPicard/nxt/src/3025519e6797e12197dbe5587e75178b05f1f80b/src/java/nxt/Account.java?at=master#cl-103

It's likely still there in case someone wants to fork Nxt and make their own genesis block.  That's my guess anyway -- I don't grok Java.

[swartzfeger]

Question: Someone was selling 100 XCP for a price of 1 Nxt. I wanted to see what happens if I put in a buy order for 100 XCP but at a price
of 2 Nxt. Later I see that I indeed have 100 more XCP but at what price? I guess my question is if I put a higher price than the seller asks
then the seller gets more than he asked?

Plus to me there is no easy way to account for my balance. I wanted to verify what price I paid and how many nxt I spent on that order. There is no intuitive if any way for me to find that out like at an exchange where you can see your order history details.
How many at what price and what time. I'm average joe schmo.

grandpa_seth,

I was the issuer of XCP, and your issue confounds me as well... I don't see an immediate way of grokking 'yes, you sold 100 XCP for 100 NXT @ x:xx GMT.'

If memory serves, my account balance was 3955, and now it's 4055, so I think I only received 100 testNXT for the sale. Due to it being a beta, I'm still interested to see if you paid 100 or 200; more idiot-proof message handling might be in order.

edit: ok, I'm dumb and lazy. Or the layout could be rearranged a little.

Click on an asset, and it takes you to a screen that shows a buy asset with nxt area and sell asset for nxt area. Under the sell asset for nxt is a buy order box (right hand side).

If you scroll down, below that buy order area is an asset transaction history:

11/03/2014 18:25:35   100   1   100   4215517396252390959   12418775621331924550

If you go to transactions and change the drop down menu to bid order history, you should see your txid of 12418775621331924550 for the 100 XCP.

[Anon136]

whats eta on asset exchange? anyone know?

[swartzfeger]

James, I don't know if this has been tested or not, but I just transferred various test assets to your DOGE gateway address 18232225178877143084.

Since it's an account like any other, they should arrive successfully. Don't be surprised if you see you own boobs and obamacoins in addition to milliDOGE.

[MyZhre]

Hi swartzfeger, how's the mmrpg game concept going? since parallel chain will available soon, I think we can continue on this

[pandaisftw]

After taking a day (or was it two?) break from this thread, I feel refreshed! I suppose why people didn't take my parallel chain discussion too seriously was because there was no math behind it? Many parallel chains (MPC) makes sense intuitively, and follows the laws of economics (pretty important, considering we're trying to foster a crypto-platform). The best part: we don't actually have to force anything, it will eventually come into fruition by itself. Of course, this doesn't mean we *can't* have super-fast chains - we will, once it is economical to do so.

I will attempt to math it out, but it'll probably just end up in a powerpoint with more words and pictures than numbers

Wes - can you add a filter field at the top of this list.
So if I type 'BTC' then it only lists assets containing that string.
would make it case insensitive...
I think the asset list will get long quickly and this will let people find assets quicker

i think it should be grouped too atleast to currencies and company shares... maybe have a watch list like on bitcointalk? so you can effectively hide all the assets you dont care about?

Right click on an asset, add to group. (note, doesn't work automatically in chrome yet for some reason - just go to another page and come back and it will be grouped).

Yes, this is manual grouping. Other kinds of grouping is up to CFB to implement. btw, does not work in private browsing mode.

Btw, Wesleyh, since we're on this topic did you see my PMs regarding this?

Pandaisftw

[Passion_ltc]

could this be replicated for nxt? https://twitter.com/ChangeTip

http://tipnxt.com/

do you have to give out your secret phrase to tip with that?

can you tip on twitter with it?

would there be anyway to create a tipbot on twitter same as the reddit one? so that you need not give your phrase to a website/anyone?

Perhaps, I would reach out to Passion_ltc, he was our guy for developing Nxt web apps.

Because I can't install the new NRS branches anymore, tipNXT is also non functional atm. If someone have a running NRS on a server with activated API calls let me know.

[Come-from-Beyond]

@CFB, are you currently developing Parallel Blockchain?  If not, want to find someone to head up project.

Currently I'm working on Digital Goods Store.

Thanks, do you plan on developing PB before your departure?  I know you offered assistance for those willing to head up the project in the past.

Depends on if AT does require PB. If not, then I'll implement only AT.