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March 09, 2014, 09:38:59 PM
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Guys, relax!

Password generator will get implemented in Wesleyh's installer (NRS + nice GUI). And now, move on.

Please read this monster thread before you post Wink

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March 09, 2014, 09:40:34 PM
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he used this page:
http://www.nxtcrypto.org/nxt-coin/create-your-nxt-account-number

all of these pages are... unfriendly Cheesy
http://www.nxtcrypto.org/nxt-coin/install-nxt-software-your-computer
http://www.nxtcrypto.org/nxt-coin/create-your-nxt-account-number

- no info about brainwallet
- no warnings about using brainwallet

- no info how batch file is created (and do we still have to create it?)

I can see this text:

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SHA256 hash of Client 0.8.8
837973d4313b6d3e835ff46c41870ca5ced367b8dc8a160a912d8124f1721b5e

- if my fiancee looked at it, she would have no idea what those lines are, why they are there and how they can be used..

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March 09, 2014, 09:48:45 PM
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I agree his actions are beyond reckless, but HIS ACTIONS ARE KILLING NXT.  When one guy loses 20% of his portfolio on NXT due to poor password security and tweets it out to *** 2100 *** followers, WE JUST LOST 2100 PEOPLE WHO WON'T TOUCH NXT NOW.  

THIS IS A DISASTER.

WE COULD HAVE AVOIDED THIS DISASTER  IF WE HAD IMPLEMENTED INTEGRATED AUTOMATIC STRONG PASSWORD GENERATION IN ALL CLIENTS A MONTH AGO.

ARE WE IN AGREEMENT TO IMPLEMENT IT ACROSS THE BOARD NOW?

I don't think its a disaster, its unfortunate, and when the 'official' client's are all out with a better solution, put up a page and tweet a url to it with the same tags.

I agree we have to protect the unwary from having direct access to a brain wallet but we will always have this if people do not follow instructions, he doesn't say what client he uses... Was it NRS directly?

Currently you get this when you click 'unlock' in NRS....

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If opening a new account, please note:
A simple passphrase will certainly result in your NXT being stolen!
Do not use any phrase that appears in any printed or online material,
no matter how long or obscure. A secure passphrase will be at least
35 characters long and consist of random letters, numbers, and special
characters, or a meaningless combination of 10 random words.

And if you ignore that and type in a stupid password you get...

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Your secret phrase is too short
and can be easily picked by a hacker!

So that was TWO WARNINGS that he did something stupid, unless he used some other client and that means we have a downloadable client on our site that accepts bad practice without any warnings, or he got a client from somewhere else which means it could have a trojan in it anyway...

We cannot protect the gullible from themselves and we cannot protect ourselves completely from the bad news that the gullible being taken advantage of will always generate... But I do agree we could/need-to be better at security than we are currently.

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March 09, 2014, 09:49:11 PM
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wesleys client:

Is there any way to display also the forging transactions like in NRS?

Yes, will add this later on.

Wesleyh, I understand your client is going to be the official client that will replace NRS at nxtcrypto.org this week.
About passwords: It might be included already, but it is obvious we need something like a series of prompts to make sure new users use a long password.

We don't need "prompts". Some people will never use strong passwords. And some will not even understand why the password is weak. We need a client that creates password for the user by default. Don't give user easy option to make their own password or you will continue to see this problem every month.

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March 09, 2014, 09:56:11 PM
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wesleys client:

Is there any way to display also the forging transactions like in NRS?

Yes, will add this later on.

Wesleyh, I understand your client is going to be the official client that will replace NRS at nxtcrypto.org this week.
About passwords: It might be included already, but it is obvious we need something like a series of prompts to make sure new users use a long password.

We don't need "prompts". Some people will never use strong passwords. And some will not even understand why the password is weak. We need a client that creates password for the user by default. Don't give user easy option to make their own password or you will continue to see this problem every month.



Yeah, clients could create a password in the background and the user would directly see his account number when he open the client for the first time.
It NEED to be that simple

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March 09, 2014, 09:57:34 PM
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wesleys client:

Is there any way to display also the forging transactions like in NRS?

Yes, will add this later on.

Wesleyh, I understand your client is going to be the official client that will replace NRS at nxtcrypto.org this week.
About passwords: It might be included already, but it is obvious we need something like a series of prompts to make sure new users use a long password.

We don't need "prompts". Some people will never use strong passwords. And some will not even understand why the password is weak. We need a client that creates password for the user by default. Don't give user easy option to make their own password or you will continue to see this problem every month.



Yeah, clients could create a password in the background and the user would directly see his account number when he open the client for the first time.
It NEED to be that simple

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User end = paralytic amoeba! Keep this in mind when developing a front-end.

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March 09, 2014, 10:00:41 PM
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Dear people,

In the light of all doubts and frustration, I want to give a view from the other side.

Today, I had a follow-up meeting with the co-owner of the following projects, which I have already posted before:

https://trackprotect.com
http://www.soundframework.com/
http://www.rhosmovement.com/

I was introduced to this person a few days ago and he we had some exploratory talks.

In today's talks, we discovered that what Nxt provides with its framework is exactly what he wants from a digital asset system.

Talks are going well, and all involved are satisfied.

This investor does NOT care about the technical side: he has people for that.
He does NOT care to explain to his users how the software works, just THAT it works.
He also does NOT care about the doubt of others: he cares about what hé sees as the potential.

We are four months old. We have an amazing potential: not just as a "coin", bit as a group of talented people who can get things done.

If you want to buy into Emule's playing on your fears, you can. He's very good at that, and a skilled thermometer of where the communities' fears are: that we actually have jack shit, that we will fail, that all your investments will be worthless, that we will be taken down by hoarders, that we will be left standing out in the cold and laughed at.

These are all fears, and people like him are extremely skillful at playing on that. As said: feel free to agree with him. All things he says MAY come to pass. Let's be honest about that. MAY!

I, however, am bolstered once more by a real investor, with a project worth millions of euros and five years of development and a working system, who after only two days and talks with me and some other big Nxt people (developers ánd stakeholder) and who already runs a business, and who thinks what we have is both promising and useful and wants to use it!

I choose to go with that, and also keep in mind that we are young and still very much a developing system.

We have people testing and developing, and that comes with delays and changes of plan when things don't work out the way we thought they would.
NOTHING ever does!

We will be having another talk on Wednesday. I will keep you up to date.

Thanks man! Smiley
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March 09, 2014, 10:04:57 PM
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It would be interesting to a wizard, after install client.

1 - An option button on the client, asking if it's the first time user in NTX, or if he already has an account.
2 - If you already have an account and password is short, less than 30 characters, always get warning that the password is weak, suggesting to create another account and transfer your NXT immediately.
3 - If it is a new account, do not accept less than 30 characters with all possible validations, requiring a percentage of letters, numbers, and special characters.

Only then will work!

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March 09, 2014, 10:07:27 PM
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Guys, relax!

Password generator will get implemented in Wesleyh's installer (NRS + nice GUI). And now, move on.

Please read this monster thread before you post Wink

Thank you.

But of course, if you have nothing better to do, just go on with the discussion Roll Eyes
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March 09, 2014, 10:12:16 PM
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I pushed code that supports GUIDs. When Jean-Luc puts it into the production exchanges will be able to use guids to track transactions without worrying about transaction malleability. NIP #1 is not ready yet so I created the solution as I felt it should be.
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March 09, 2014, 10:13:10 PM
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Guys, relax!

Password generator will get implemented in Wesleyh's installer (NRS + nice GUI). And now, move on.

Please read this monster thread before you post Wink

Thank you.

But of course, if you have nothing better to do, just go on with the discussion Roll Eyes

We can also start our own conversation.
It'll be like a pub!

How've you been, Paul? Wink

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March 09, 2014, 10:13:33 PM
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I pushed code that supports GUIDs. When Jean-Luc puts it into the production exchanges will be able to use guids to track transactions without worrying about transaction malleability. NIP #1 is not ready yet so I created the solution as I felt it should be.

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March 09, 2014, 10:16:16 PM
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How've you been, Paul? Wink

Pretty good, thank you. And you?

Hey, Emule. Want to jump in? Just a chit chat, no Nxt talk Smiley
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March 09, 2014, 10:19:36 PM
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Pretty good, thank you. And you?

Hey, Emule. Want to jump in? Just a chit chat, no Nxt talk Smiley

I'm good, having a quiet evening in, watching a movie, relaxing before the start of the week...

Yeah, Emule, pull up a virtual chair! Let's get to know each other.  Smiley

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March 09, 2014, 10:20:43 PM
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can someone send me some testNXT.  Thanks

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Pretty good, thank you. And you?

Hey, Emule. Want to jump in? Just a chit chat, no Nxt talk Smiley

I'm good, having a quiet evening in, watching a movie, relaxing before the start of the week...

Yeah, Emule, pull up a virtual chair! Let's get to know each other.  Smiley

Haha. Should be interesting. I've unignored him.
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March 09, 2014, 10:24:14 PM
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We don't need "prompts". Some people will never use strong passwords. And some will not even understand why the password is weak. We need a client that creates password for the user by default. Don't give user easy option to make their own password or you will continue to see this problem every month.

Yet you still want to allow people to enter an existing passphrase when adding an account.

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March 09, 2014, 10:27:49 PM
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When are we going to implement lower fees? NXT is a currency and not an investment. I'm an active forger and I want fees to be lowered for NXT's best interest. All we need is a fee low enough to secure the network and I believe 0.01 would do just fine and in the long term would be better for forgers even.

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March 09, 2014, 10:28:24 PM
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I pushed code that supports GUIDs. When Jean-Luc puts it into the production exchanges will be able to use guids to track transactions without worrying about transaction malleability. NIP #1 is not ready yet so I created the solution as I felt it should be.
Thanks!

Could you explain a bit how this GUID makes it immune?

James

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March 09, 2014, 10:30:31 PM
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When are we going to implement lower fees? NXT is a currency and not an investment. I'm an active forger and I want fees to be lowered for NXT's best interest. All we need is a fee low enough to secure the network and I believe 0.01 would do just fine and in the long term would be better for forgers even.
First we need NXT to support fractions, this is happening this month. After that it becomes possible to lower fee. I agree that the lower the fee the more the total revenue will be, even at .01

At .01 I can launch some services that otherwise is to expensive from transaction fees. This also makes trading on AE much less costly.

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