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March 11, 2014, 03:34:47 PM
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FORUMS.NXTCRYPTO.ORG users:

Adminius over there is btc24 here.  Seems to have just completely vanished, hit by a bus, something, whatever.  Last login on either site was end of January.  Not responding to any of my PMs on either site.  Im not sure as to how long his equipment is paid up for - what happens if 1 day its just shut off?  So do we wait for that day or do we try to do something now?

This extended absence coupled with the fact that we still have no email password recovery coupled with the fact that we still experience unknown reasons for logouts gives me reason to post here and ask the community what are the thoughts?  I will post this on the forums as a vote.
https://forums.nxtcrypto.org/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=865

If we want to migrate elsewhere, does anyone have any forums hosting they know we can use?  I can change the DNS A record for forums.nxtcrypto.org to be whatever IP address whenever it needs to change.

Community vote.  Or maybe btc24 comes back.

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March 11, 2014, 03:37:10 PM
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wait.  so ciyam got so butthurt that he not only leaves this thread but he locks the AT thread and wants people to come to his own forums board to discuss?  wtf I dont understand how people let themselves get so butthurt over this

No one posted on the AT thread for days, so I don't blame him.  I've posted a link to the thread several times here yet there was little activity.  I highly recommend that if you want CIYAM's advice on a particular topic, you start a thread on his website. (http://ciyam.org/open/)  I plan to post projects there and encourage CIYAM to continue to develop projects for Nxt.  He is probably overwhelmed by this massive thread with irrelevant posts and "ideas".  I personally like this thread, but it's not for all.
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March 11, 2014, 03:41:13 PM
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Anyone knows the reason of NXT dropping so badly?


my guess is the early adopters are trying to sell off as much as possible and spread out distribution before the price spikes after AE launch.. once the prices rises people wont be able to buy as much and will be harder to distribute Nxt.

haha, that is a good interpreting. BTW, what is AE? any link or info regarding this?

http://nxtra.org/nxt-client/

when you create an acc you will see id: <long number> in top left under the nxt symbol.. copy that number paste it here and i will send you some testnxt! the AE is the asset exchange.. you will see it in the selection panel on the left of the GUI. its where you will be able to trade other crypto coins, companies.. anything really!

myacc :4879225603217396121
I want to test the AE ,thank you!
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March 11, 2014, 03:46:19 PM
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myacc :4879225603217396121
I want to test the AE ,thank you!

10k sent
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March 11, 2014, 03:46:32 PM
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Anyone knows the reason of NXT dropping so badly?


my guess is the early adopters are trying to sell off as much as possible and spread out distribution before the price spikes after AE launch.. once the prices rises people wont be able to buy as much and will be harder to distribute Nxt.

haha, that is a good interpreting. BTW, what is AE? any link or info regarding this?

http://nxtra.org/nxt-client/

when you create an acc you will see id: <long number> in top left under the nxt symbol.. copy that number paste it here and i will send you some testnxt! the AE is the asset exchange.. you will see it in the selection panel on the left of the GUI. its where you will be able to trade other crypto coins, companies.. anything really!

Thanks Kod. This is a cool interface. I have just created an account 2229899479352069748. Would you please send test coins to me?
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March 11, 2014, 03:47:18 PM
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Where do the numbers 1/3 and .1 come from.  I still dont understand the problem we are trying to solve here

https://forums.nxtcrypto.org/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=836

I read that earlier today.  did you read that?  it was arbitrary, no math behind it.

http://www.docdroid.net/9yub/forging.pdf.html

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It Should be Observed That this probability does not out stretch to 0 (asm! 1) if the bad guy has at Least 1 = 3 of all active balances in the network in the case of U-algorithm (corresondingly, At Least 1 = 2 in the case of exp-algorithm). There should exist some  speci fic  methods  for  protecting network against Such an attack in the CASE WHEN there is risk that (active) relative balance of the bad guy Could Become larger than the above threshold

it may be a good idea to limit the forging power of accounts by some fixed  threshold,  e.g.,  if  an  account  has  more  than,  say,  300K  NXT,then it forges as if it had exactly 300K NXT. Of course, a rich guy can split his fortune between smaller accounts, but then all those accounts would forge roughly as one big account (without threshold) under Exp-algorithm.   One  can  one  use  the  computationally  easier  U-algorithm without having the drawbacks discussed in this section.
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March 11, 2014, 03:48:05 PM
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My biggest complaint about FORUMS.NXTCRYPTO.ORG is lack of a easy-to-use watchlist.  Hope to see a new forum similar to bitcointalk.

Make it similar to bitcointalk (functions, user interface, readability) and with only 2 subboards for the start.
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March 11, 2014, 03:48:12 PM
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So Can someone PM me with the overall information regarding NXT? I only know that it's PoS and no mining is involved, but what is the substitute the devs used to mining?

I also know that all NXT were given out from the genesis block, but how do these NXT circulate? Better to rephrase that, what would make people want to trade NXT instead of hoarding it up, since all NXT were already given out? PM would be nice thanks.

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March 11, 2014, 03:48:42 PM
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CIYAM Open could have moved the AT discussion to an easy to use forum.  

This is the error that I get when I tried to "Introduce" myself over in the Hard to use forum called CIYAM.org

Error: invalid command usage 'pc 20140311153028667000!XXXXXXXXX:Brian Snyder 20140311153757270 M100 M100C121 " " "M100C121F110=Hi CIYAM\\,<br><br>My name is Brian Snyder aka NxtMinnow from BCT.&nbsp; I am here to stay updated on AT development and contribute my skills to help develop future decentralized applications.&nbsp; <br><br>Sincerely\\,<br>Brian Snyder<br>,M100C121F106=20140311083757271,M100C121F100=20121221032214803000,M100C121F105=,M100C121F150=0,M100C121F151=,M100C121F152="'

Unbelievable.  No advance warning was given to the community that a forum move was impending.  Now the AT discussion is on a DEAD forum board that is a total PITA to use.  

I am headed to go print out Nxt business cards for handing out to people interested in Nxt at Coinsumm.it.

Good morning everyone.  Why is yueye000 Android client not receiving active development attention from the Nxt community?  His app was what sold me on Nxt originally. Mobile to mobile Nxt transfers with one minute confirmations? Yes please!
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March 11, 2014, 03:49:48 PM
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my 2 cents' worth:

As each asset is sold you will receive [   ] NXT making a total of  [  ] NXT once all assets have been sold.




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Sounds good. will implement.

I considered this, the reason I decided against is was that the price for each asset was a line or two above. No harm in it though, it is clearer.
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March 11, 2014, 03:53:27 PM
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wait.  so ciyam got so butthurt that he not only leaves this thread but he locks the AT thread and wants people to come to his own forums board to discuss?  wtf I dont understand how people let themselves get so butthurt over this

No one posted on the AT thread for days, so I don't blame him.  I've posted a link to the thread several times here yet there was little activity.  I highly recommend that if you want CIYAM's advice on a particular topic, you start a thread on his website. (http://ciyam.org/open/)  I plan to post projects there and encourage CIYAM to continue to develop projects for Nxt.  He is probably overwhelmed by this massive thread with irrelevant posts and "ideas".  I personally like this thread, but it's not for all.

He was also frustrated about the funding of his project. How much has been allocated to AT? How much does he can use for AT? No one give him a clean picture. Can anyone tell him about the funding for AT project?
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March 11, 2014, 03:55:16 PM
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CIYAM Open could have moved the AT discussion to an easy to use forum.  

This is the error that I get when I tried to "Introduce" myself over in the Hard to use forum called CIYAM.org

Error: invalid command usage 'pc 20140311153028667000!XXXXXXXXX:Brian Snyder 20140311153757270 M100 M100C121 " " "M100C121F110=Hi CIYAM\\,<br><br>My name is Brian Snyder aka NxtMinnow from BCT.&nbsp; I am here to stay updated on AT development and contribute my skills to help develop future decentralized applications.&nbsp; <br><br>Sincerely\\,<br>Brian Snyder<br>,M100C121F106=20140311083757271,M100C121F100=20121221032214803000,M100C121F105=,M100C121F150=0,M100C121F151=,M100C121F152="'

Unbelievable.  No advance warning was given to the community that a forum move was impending.  Now the AT discussion is on a DEAD forum board that is a total PITA to use.  

I am headed to go print out Nxt business cards for handing out to people interested in Nxt at Coinsumm.it.

Good morning everyone.  Why is yueye000 Android client not receiving active development attention from the Nxt community?  His app was what sold me on Nxt originally. Mobile to mobile Nxt transfers with one minute confirmations? Yes please!

Maybe it is just this monster thread. This IS impractical after all. I suggest you contact Infrastructure or TechdevFund, and from there you if you are so inclined or you in conjunction with s.o. else can organize special interest topics in other forums ...

Android client is something with huge potential ...


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March 11, 2014, 04:01:17 PM
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NXT is on sale. 6300 to 6800 satoshis. Nom nom nom. (Doge on sale too).

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March 11, 2014, 04:02:52 PM
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l8orre,

Thank you for responding.  That Android client is a gem and  yeuye000 released the source code to the community.

That Android client needs to be developed ASAP for Nxt to maximize it's potential.

I mean, right now.  All it really needs is GUI  re-skinned and re-colored and 1 spelling error fixed;
And the code reviewed / updated / security review.

I'm no coder yet.  But I do know my way around computers and networks.

I need a coder's interest to help with that Android client and I can help support the project and put together a proposal for Nxt Infrastructure Committee.
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March 11, 2014, 04:03:26 PM
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just an idea.. you know when you click on transactions then an address in transactions and this shows up

Account 4879225603217396121 Info
This account has a balance of 20'000 NXT.
Transactions
Assets
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Date   Type   Amount   Fee   Account
3/11/2014 15:48:53   Ordinary payment      5'000   5   You
3/11/2014 15:47:00   Arbitrary message      0   1   13641213266085296507
3/11/2014 15:45:47   Ordinary payment      10'000   10   13641213266085296507
3/11/2014 15:45:00   Ordinary payment      5'000   5   You


could you put a button saying send message to this acc instead of having to copy the address and then go to send message? and have it auto fill the address for you?

Hello kodtycoon. I am Chinese. My English is not good.
Beijing is now 0:00, I need to go to bed. I will try tomorrow to test my ability. Thank you
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March 11, 2014, 04:06:16 PM
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Where do the numbers 1/3 and .1 come from.  I still dont understand the problem we are trying to solve here

https://forums.nxtcrypto.org/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=836

I read that earlier today.  did you read that?  it was arbitrary, no math behind it.

http://www.docdroid.net/9yub/forging.pdf.html

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It Should be Observed That this probability does not out stretch to 0 (asm! 1) if the bad guy has at Least 1 = 3 of all active balances in the network in the case of U-algorithm (corresondingly, At Least 1 = 2 in the case of exp-algorithm). There should exist some  speci fic  methods  for  protecting network against Such an attack in the CASE WHEN there is risk that (active) relative balance of the bad guy Could Become larger than the above threshold

it may be a good idea to limit the forging power of accounts by some fixed  threshold,  e.g.,  if  an  account  has  more  than,  say,  300K  NXT,then it forges as if it had exactly 300K NXT. Of course, a rich guy can split his fortune between smaller accounts, but then all those accounts would forge roughly as one big account (without threshold) under Exp-algorithm.   One  can  one  use  the  computationally  easier  U-algorithm without having the drawbacks discussed in this section.

how to interpret the 1 = 3 and 1 = 2 parts?  Nevermind, from the paper, its 1/3 and 1/2.  The problem is theres no way to determine "all active balances".  I suggested limiting effectiveBalance a few weeks ago, but 300K seems excessively excessively harsh, and will also make a 1000tps network pretty much unfeasable, since it would require literally thousands of TF nodes that publish their IP and have DDoS protection, HA redundancy, etc
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March 11, 2014, 04:07:19 PM
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i just got my NXT filled... haha..

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March 11, 2014, 04:09:27 PM
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Could someone help me out?

I tried to withdraw from DGEX and they emailed me with:

"As your IP and withdrawal address have changed, we need to verify the ownership of your DGEX account to mitigate hacking cases. Could you please send the NXT account token from one of the following addresses:"

What exactly do I need to do?  How do I "send the NXT account token"?
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March 11, 2014, 04:16:31 PM
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Could someone help me out?

I tried to withdraw from DGEX and they emailed me with:

"As your IP and withdrawal address have changed, we need to verify the ownership of your DGEX account to mitigate hacking cases. Could you please send the NXT account token from one of the following addresses:"

What exactly do I need to do?  How do I "send the NXT account token"?

You go to a little key icon in your NXT wallet and press it.
Type into a website field dgex.com and press on generate token. Copy and paste that long string of characters and send it to them.
It is pretty much a prof that you are the real owner of that particular account.
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Where do the numbers 1/3 and .1 come from.  I still dont understand the problem we are trying to solve here

https://forums.nxtcrypto.org/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=836

I read that earlier today.  did you read that?  it was arbitrary, no math behind it.

http://www.docdroid.net/9yub/forging.pdf.html

Quote
It Should be Observed That this probability does not out stretch to 0 (asm! 1) if the bad guy has at Least 1 = 3 of all active balances in the network in the case of U-algorithm (corresondingly, At Least 1 = 2 in the case of exp-algorithm). There should exist some  speci fic  methods  for  protecting network against Such an attack in the CASE WHEN there is risk that (active) relative balance of the bad guy Could Become larger than the above threshold

it may be a good idea to limit the forging power of accounts by some fixed  threshold,  e.g.,  if  an  account  has  more  than,  say,  300K  NXT,then it forges as if it had exactly 300K NXT. Of course, a rich guy can split his fortune between smaller accounts, but then all those accounts would forge roughly as one big account (without threshold) under Exp-algorithm.   One  can  one  use  the  computationally  easier  U-algorithm without having the drawbacks discussed in this section.

how to interpret the 1 = 3 and 1 = 2 parts?  Nevermind, from the paper, its 1/3 and 1/2.  The problem is theres no way to determine "all active balances".  I suggested limiting effectiveBalance a few weeks ago, but 300K seems excessively excessively harsh, and will also make a 1000tps network pretty much unfeasable, since it would require literally thousands of TF nodes that publish their IP and have DDoS protection, HA redundancy, etc

This is the question. if you can not know in real time the total efecctive balance  must to look for another
solution.,

would have to conciliate the following features in my humble opinion;

a) limit forging power to 0.1 (limit 1/3)  total active balance maximun per account.
b) chance forging for any account and funds must be about one day (share fee group)

if you have 1.000 VPS nodes (share free groups) and you limit forging power to 1.000.000 Nxt per account
then

1440 blocs per day means that 1.000.000 Nxt account forge every day
if you have more than 10.000.000 Nxt in this 1.000 VPS nodes then 1.000.000 Nxt per account is less or equal
than 0.1 * 10.000.000 Nxt


c) 1000 TPS

i do not how is the solution
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