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Author Topic: NXT :: descendant of Bitcoin - Updated Information  (Read 2750637 times)
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March 09, 2014, 02:30:57 PM
Last edit: March 10, 2014, 05:40:49 PM by rickyjames
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NXT Funding Committee Election Certification Data

On election night, the elected candidates are announced, there are victory and concession speeches, the TV cameras get turned off, and everybody goes home.

Except that there is more to do.  

Certifying an election is the important (and boring) last step.  There has to be transparency in how the election was run to make sure nobody cheated.  Especially in elections run by a crazy dictator like me.

So here's what you need to certify the NXT funding committee election.  Below is the list of 500 ballot election codes I got at  ElectionBuddy.com and who I sent them to.  The first number is the ballot code number, the second number is where the person I sent it to stands on newcn's list of top 500 thread posters.  A 000 in the second column means they are not on newcn's list and so requested their ballot code via PM to me.  

newcn's list:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=345619.msg5456233#msg5456233

I made some mistakes in sending the ballot codes out over the several days I was doing it.  A few people sent me multiple PMs and I didn't realize that had happened, so I responded with multiple ballot codes to them.  Some took advantage of this to vote multiple times and others didn't.  I also sent two ballots to landomata for some reason.  I think he was a stopping point on a list I was using one night and I didn't start at the right place on that list when I came back to it later the next day.  This "misindexing" may have happened a few other times, I'm not sure.  Finally, I sent a ballot code to 4747...888 after his huge bounty announcement, and got a PM back saying he had already voted with a code I had already sent to his everyday use secret-identity account.  

That's the generalities, here's the specifics:  I sent two ballots (181 and 394) to crazybonkers, and he only used one (394).   I sent two ballots (222 and 389) to Forobitcoins, and he only used one (389).  I sent two ballots (040 and 074) to landomata, and he only used one (074).  I sent two ballots (068 and 384) to qbd1313, and he only used one (384).  I sent two ballots (145 and 388) to superresistant, and he only used one (388).  I sent two ballots (248 and ??) to 4747...888, and he only used one (??).

Those above were the good guys.  There were also those who took advantage of the situation.  I sent two ballots (120 and 378) to Eadeqa, and he used both of them. I sent three ballots (100, 369 and 385) to vitvert, and he used all three of them.  

So there were three ballots that shouldn't have been cast:  369, 378 and 385.  Since the margin of the closest win was greater than three votes, these errors do not invalidate the election (whew).

In addition to the data below, there's other data that can be used to validate the election.  A zipped file containing copies of my PM pages where I sent out the ballots is here:  

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B4oC1o991iaVcTNIWmtUS0dsaUk/edit?usp=sharing

Finally, I will send a copy of my ElectionBuddy password to all candidates so they can verify the list below is indeed the correct list of ballot codes.  I would post it here, except that emule would change it to lock everybody out.  So just the candidates get it.

If nobody contests the results of this election within the next 7 days by pointing out problems in this provided data, the election will be considered certified by default and its results will stand.

This was a successful election and now the NXT community has elected spending committees.  

One of the reasons this election was successful is because boring data gets posted at the end of it.  

Trust no one.

Code:

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113 044 NO VOTE NRQ2-9VTH-K9H8-F8U7 bitcoinrocks
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133 076 NO VOTE BR8N-NUQZ-YHWH-WLG2 BitAddict
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March 09, 2014, 02:31:18 PM
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I've been a proactive supporter of NXT due to its unique features offered to the community; however, I would like to see NXT become something websites adopt.

What are some ways NXT can help websites utilize its features?  and what kind of results can the website (business) expect out of those features?

I'm not quite sure what you mean.

If NXT can achieve a high tx rate, it would be beneficial for your business to integrate with the NXT network.

I think NXT's best chance of achieving fast transactions is to offload them onto a parallel blockchain which is secured selectively by large stakeholders using high end hardware.

Sounds good except for the centralizing of the Par. Chain unto stake holders. Is there no other way to  secure the Par. Chain than this? Maybe different grades of forgers, different grade accounts for people with different grades of equipment ? Maybe the Par chain could be run by miners?

I am not a tech guy, I don't know if this is really possible. But I don't like the idea of central servers, if that is your suggestion. If there is another way I would prefer not to depend on selective stake holders.
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March 09, 2014, 02:55:24 PM
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Ok, so no added bloat but also no added security or what ever to the mainchain? There is no interaction between the main and the parallel chains, it seems (besides this little AM / period)?

Dumb question: What is the difference between NEM and these parallel chains (besides these little AMs)?
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March 09, 2014, 02:56:58 PM
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Did you want some TestNxt ?
Plz send some,
TKS.
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Ok, so no added bloat but also no added security or what ever to the mainchain? There is no interaction between the main and the parallel chains, it seems (besides this little AM / period)?

Dumb question: What is the difference between NEM and these parallel chains (besides these little AMs)?

Architectural design. NXT parallel chains are dependent on NXT's core design. NEM has a different design. That's what "written from the scratch" means.


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saw this https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=435170.0 thought of the game thats going to be built on top of nxt.. will people playing the game automatically be forging?? can you have some of the fees go to the game so by playing you can win/earn coins? seems like a good idea these guys have?
you will be using another monetary systems - gaming currencies - built on top of the Nxt... gamers dont care about forging

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March 09, 2014, 03:06:29 PM
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I Found a bug  in the client 0.8.8 (test)

Code:
{
    "balance": 100097400,
    "effectiveBalance": -100,
    "unconfirmedBalance": 100097400
}

Why the effective balance is :


 "effectiveBalance": -100,

Not a bug, effectiveBalance can be negative.
can be negative ? dont understand.
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March 09, 2014, 03:18:04 PM
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saw this https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=435170.0 thought of the game thats going to be built on top of nxt.. will people playing the game automatically be forging?? can you have some of the fees go to the game so by playing you can win/earn coins? seems like a good idea these guys have?
you will be using another monetary systems - gaming currencies - built on top of the Nxt... gamers dont care about forging

ok, could you not set it so it forges automatically in the background while playing?.. since it takes so little power they wont even notice or care if they are forging?

You want to secure the network with it. Just say it Wink

Could be an option.
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March 09, 2014, 03:20:46 PM
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RFC: Parallel Chains concept

Only TL;DR version, coz noone would read a full one.

Master Chain

Contains only checkpoints of all slave chains. Checkpointing is done once a day and only when 1440 blocks r built on top of the corresponding slave chain. Master chain is never pruned. Growth rate is [32 bytes * numberOfSlaveChain] per day.

Slave Chains

Contains only 1 type of transactions. Different currencies can be implemented as different chains. Forgers can choose what chains to secure. The market balances TPS rate.

Migration plan

Create slave chains that implement all transactions types existing in Nxt. Add a new type for checkpointing. Reject attempts to include non-checkpointing transactions into the master chain.

Side-effects

The Chinese could use a separate currency inside their borders for very high TPS rates. Only checkpointing transactions have to bypass Great Firewall of China. Speculators provide currency exchange service - the business they love to do. NXTs become "tokens", users buy them for fiat to spend for fees, it's similar to prepaid coupons/tickets for provided services.

Finally, after some thought, I believe the idea of CfB  is compatible with the idea below. but with some adjustement.

I like the idea of parallel blockchain.

On one "fast" Blockchain:

- By limiting forging power to 1M nxt, we can ensure that at least 1000 fast nodes can manage TF with high TPS. Transaction that have to happen really fast (AM, important transaction, etc.) can take place on such blockchain. High premium quality hardware would be needed to ensure the stability of this blockchain.
 
On another "regular" Blockchain (there can be more than one):

- Transaction that don't require to be fast can unload the "fast" blockchain for which rasberrypi could be use to secure the network.

As long as in the client, the user can choose on which blockchain to broadcast his desired transaction (different cost associated to broadcasting depending one the quality of the hardware supporting the blockchain), then high TPS could happen within the nxt network if the user decide to use "fast" premium quality network for specific important transaction.

What do you think?


Parallel blockchains, same NXT tokens?

EDIT: sorry did not understand question at first. Yes, with SAME nxt tokens or coins on the various blockchain.


If using same nxt token required atomic blockchain transaction and is to complicated to be implement (it might be even slow as some stated). It might be simple to use different currency on the different blockchain, BUT as long as for the user in the GUI client $everything is denominated in NXT unit$ so that in the end, the user don't see the technical details of different currency for different blockchain. That would be attractive and possible I think. The price to broadcast something will then always be some amount of nxt.

As CfB state, "The market balances TPS rate." so the amount of NXT require to broadcast transaction on specific slave Blockchain would depend on the "quality of the slave chain" (i.e. the quality of the hardware supporting it)
  
is that make sense?

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NXT Vs. Bitcoin : Proposed Opening Shot

I want to share a crazy idea I've had and get some feedback.  Humor me here, please.


1. You posted it here. It will backfire from the whole crypto world on us.
2. Cryptoworld is small. We should be in this together fighting to be big.

Agreed - don't go there - "people in glass houses should not throw stones" (PoS is a game of chance also - maybe you have misunderstood how Nxt works).

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I hope CIYAM is having dinner with his wife because I would like to continue this dialog.

edit: And there he is.



Ok, so no added bloat but also no added security or what ever to the mainchain? There is no interaction between the main and the parallel chains, it seems (besides this little AM / period)?

Dumb question: What is the difference between NEM and these parallel chains (besides these little AMs)?

edit 2:

Didn't saw your answer, utopian.


Architectural design. NXT parallel chains are dependent on NXT's core design. NEM has a different design. That's what "written from the scratch" means.
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I hope CIYAM is having dinner with his wife because I would like to continue this dialog.

edit: And there he is.

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It's an interesting idea in a Machiavellian sort-of-way, but I can't support it.  Not even for the lulz.

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I hope CIYAM is having dinner with his wife because I would like to continue this dialog.

edit: And there he is.

Watching film about Wikileaks now - will be back a little later. Smiley


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RFC: Parallel Chains concept

Only TL;DR version, coz noone would read a full one.

Master Chain

Contains only checkpoints of all slave chains. Checkpointing is done once a day and only when 1440 blocks r built on top of the corresponding slave chain. Master chain is never pruned. Growth rate is [32 bytes * numberOfSlaveChain] per day.

Slave Chains

Contains only 1 type of transactions. Different currencies can be implemented as different chains. Forgers can choose what chains to secure. The market balances TPS rate.

Migration plan

Create slave chains that implement all transactions types existing in Nxt. Add a new type for checkpointing. Reject attempts to include non-checkpointing transactions into the master chain.

Side-effects

The Chinese could use a separate currency inside their borders for very high TPS rates. Only checkpointing transactions have to bypass Great Firewall of China. Speculators provide currency exchange service - the business they love to do. NXTs become "tokens", users buy them for fiat to spend for fees, it's similar to prepaid coupons/tickets for provided services.

I don't quite get how the mainchain collude with the parallel chains. Explain the magic to me, please.
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NXT Vs. Bitcoin : Proposed Opening Shot

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I'll cut to the chase instead of go into a long(er) buildup. 

It's an interesting idea in a Machiavellian sort-of-way, but I can't support it.  Not even for the lulz.


OK, I've withdrawn the idea.  Please edit my quote in your post to delete it there too.
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Which idea? Don't know what you are talking about.
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Which idea? Don't know what you are talking about.

http://www.lightspeedmagazine.com/fiction/different-kinds-of-darkness/

That should confuse anyone who came to this thread late.

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ok i finally have time to test the asset exchange! Cheesy link to where i can download it please? Cheesy

you can either use Clienxt GUI https://bitbucket.org/fmiboy/clienxt/downloads

or wesleys online client http://nxtra.org/nxt-client/

or nxt solaris from marcus http://nxtsolaris.wordpress.com/
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