CIYAM
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March 21, 2014, 05:42:11 PM |
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So, it comes down to: do we need an x > 1 and what for do we need that?
Yup - that's it in a nutshell - the two reasons we might need that are: 1. To help prevent "flood attacks" (by making the flooder have to attack more than one IP address) 2. To help improve "randomness" so things like the "lottery" (and other similar things) are viewed as "statistically fair". |
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brooklynbtc
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March 21, 2014, 05:48:04 PM |
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Well, I am lucky that my brain is quantum compatible.
What about yours?
After I started working on Nxt my IQ went from 68 0 to 83 0. I hope this will be enough. FIFY |
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Come-from-Beyond
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March 21, 2014, 05:49:00 PM |
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After I started working on Nxt my IQ went from 680 to 830. I hope this will be enough.
FIFY LOL |
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Anon136
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March 21, 2014, 05:52:12 PM |
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there is 1 really solid solution that you arnt going to want to hear
What is it? Let me guess, proof of work?  we could just do 1 pow block every 24 hours and extend the active stake holding time out from 1 day to 3-7 days. (which it always should have been imo anyway). 1 pow block per day isnt that bad is it? and it would give us soooo much extra security for so little extra cost. *edit* actually the holding time should be measured in POW blocks if we did something like this. say a holding period of 6 pow blocks for example would be SUPER secure. |
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March 21, 2014, 05:54:56 PM |
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we could just do 1 pow block every 24 hours and extend the active stake holding time out from 1 day to 3-7 days. (which it always should have been imo anyway). 1 pow block per day isnt that bad is it? and it would give us soooo much extra security. Doesn't this ruin "transparency" of forging for blocks that r close to a moment when a PoW block to be generated? |
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Daedelus
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March 21, 2014, 05:58:57 PM |
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Excuse me Gents, sorry to interrupt....  CIYAM, you used the phrase "atomic cross chain transfers" earlier. Is that different to "atomic cross chain transactions"? Just wanted to check, I am adding to the wiki Glossary and want it to be accurate (as possible). Thanks  |
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bitcoinpaul
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March 21, 2014, 06:00:42 PM |
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But for now let's stick to Newton-like interpretation.
Boring. Btw I found a picture of BCNext and CfB hanging out together. Don't know who is who, though...  |
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CIYAM
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March 21, 2014, 06:02:12 PM |
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CIYAM, you used the phrase "atomic cross chain transfers" earlier. Is that different to "atomic cross chain transactions"?
Hmm... maybe I screwed up - I was taking about the idea of being able to exchange "Assets" through an AT (vs. say moving currency between "parallel chains"). So forget the term "atomic cross chain transfers" (would just confuse). Perhaps "atomic asset transfers" might be better? |
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Anon136
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March 21, 2014, 06:04:54 PM |
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we could just do 1 pow block every 24 hours and extend the active stake holding time out from 1 day to 3-7 days. (which it always should have been imo anyway). 1 pow block per day isnt that bad is it? and it would give us soooo much extra security. Doesn't this ruin "transparency" of forging for blocks that r close to a moment when a PoW block to be generated? not necessarily. first you decide how many blocks into the future it is ideal for people to be able to predict. lets say 10 as an offhand example. once someone submits a valid pow block you could record it then but not have it effect the process of deduction until 10 blocks after its submission. so for example say it was submitted as block 100,000. you could make it so that that hashing this block isnt part of the generation sigature perramiter until block 100,010. its actually a really really solid solution the only drawback is that everyone will say "na na na boo boo we told you so"  *edit* also i need to give credit to my uncle, it may actually be his idea, we arnt sure who thought of it first. |
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Daedelus
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March 21, 2014, 06:08:17 PM |
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CIYAM, you used the phrase "atomic cross chain transfers" earlier. Is that different to "atomic cross chain transactions"?
Hmm... maybe I screwed up - I was taking about the idea of being able to exchange "Assets" through an AT (vs. say moving currency between "parallel chains"). So forget the term "atomic cross chain transfers" (would just confuse). Perhaps "atomic asset transfers" might be better? The problem I see is people use Atomic CCT so it would need some kind of entry.... EDIT: Don't worry, not important right now, I'll sort something |
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Anon136
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March 21, 2014, 06:09:14 PM |
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my daughter just came in here naked and when i asked her why she was nudie she says "want pink shirt not blue shirt"...
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CIYAM
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March 21, 2014, 06:10:52 PM |
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The problem I see is people use Atomic CCT so it would need some kind of entry....
Sure - so the main point being that what I was talking about allows you to trade "one Asset for another" (in the Nxt system) and to do that "atomically" (through an AT). Maybe "Atomic Asset Transfer" works better? |
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March 21, 2014, 06:12:19 PM |
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my daughter just came in here naked and when i asked her why she was nudie she says "want pink shirt not blue shirt"...
I expected to hear something like "gimme NXT to buy shirt"... |
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Anon136
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March 21, 2014, 06:12:41 PM |
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The problem I see is people use Atomic CCT so it would need some kind of entry....
Sure - so the main point being that what I was talking about allows you to trade "one Asset for another" (in the Nxt system) and to do that "atomically" (through an AT). Maybe "Atomic Asset Transfer" works better? if you have really figured this out CIYAM than my hats off to you. im not even going to ask how it works because i already know that i wont be able to understand. that is several tiers of amazing above my head. |
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March 21, 2014, 06:14:08 PM |
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my daughter just came in here naked and when i asked her why she was nudie she says "want pink shirt not blue shirt"...
I expected to hear something like "gimme NXT to buy shirt"... she has 1000 nxt in her money box. she doesnt know what it is. i put it on a bitcoin paper wallet and she just calls it q-car-code (her way of saying qrcode). but she knows its valuable, she keeps it safe and doesnt play with it. she gets that its money or something proximate. |
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paradigmflux
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March 21, 2014, 06:15:32 PM |
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Hey guys, http://hashrate.org has had a bit of a facelift. Yesterday we paid out 0.008 BTC/MH/day equivilent in NXT - why mine anywhere else? |
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CIYAM
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March 21, 2014, 06:15:40 PM |
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if you have really figured this out CIYAM than my hats off to you. im not even going to ask how it works because i already know that i wont be able to understand. that is several tiers of amazing above my head.
We have "only begun to scratch the surface" of what will be possible with AT - it is really what will make Nxt a "platform". |
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March 21, 2014, 06:19:25 PM |
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she has 1000 nxt in her money box. she doesnt know what it is. i put it on a bitcoin paper wallet and she just calls it q-car-code (her way of saying qrcode). but she knows its valuable, she keeps it safe and doesnt play with it. she gets that its money or something proximate.
IIRC she took part in most of ur interviews with Tai Zen, so she knows more than u think. |
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Daedelus
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March 21, 2014, 06:22:51 PM |
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The problem I see is people use Atomic CCT so it would need some kind of entry....
Sure - so the main point being that what I was talking about allows you to trade "one Asset for another" (in the Nxt system) and to do that "atomically" (through an AT). Maybe "Atomic Asset Transfer" works better? I will draft something and post for scrutiny |
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March 21, 2014, 06:25:51 PM |
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The problem I see is people use Atomic CCT so it would need some kind of entry....
Sure - so the main point being that what I was talking about allows you to trade "one Asset for another" (in the Nxt system) and to do that "atomically" (through an AT). Maybe "Atomic Asset Transfer" works better? I will draft something and post for scrutiny I think cross-chain trading would be the most accurate. You do not transfer or transact from one chain to another but trade together. |
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