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January 28, 2015, 09:21:36 AM |
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Following on from LucD88's query about why his wallet balance isn't the same as his MN's address listing on the block explorer, I'd really like to read a guide on how addresses work, the specifics of coin control and the concepts around change (and why getting lots of dust mining payments makes your wallet.dat bloated and what you should do about it).
I know this is in reality bitcoin 101 stuff, but I feel like I'm missing key parts of how that all works. If anyone knows of a good easy-to-read document explaining this stuff, please post a link. I'm sure there are many others that need some education in this are too.
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January 28, 2015, 09:36:19 AM |
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So what does this mean exactly? Everything is fine? ![Tongue](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/tongue.gif) How come the funds on that address show up in my MN wallet? These are the only addresses that my MN wallet has: https://i.imgur.com/G7kC16l.jpg, the one you linked to is a completely different address. Wut... Yes, everything is fine. It's a change address. Change addresses do not show up under normal addresses and are only found via coin control. If you are curious to see, enable coin control, go to the send tab and go into inputs. You should see that exact change amount designated as a change address.
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January 28, 2015, 09:37:57 AM |
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Okay some weird stuff is going on here.. I just updated to 11.0.14 and suddenly my MN wallet is showing more coins than it actually has. http://explorer.darkcoin.fr/address/XvJPvhhtn9AQeL8t6KWCN6bR8UjyRetstaBalance: 1005.95679 DRK Last payment: 23-01-2015 Screenshot shows the same last payment, but the amount of DRK is more..?? ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FxkZqwmd.jpg&t=665&c=gTBeqq6j3gLUGg) And on a sidenote: I haven't received a payment to any of my Masternodes for the past 5 days. I'm either doing something terribly wrong, or am I just unlucky? It sure looks like change... check coin control for a different change address. Has nothing to do with the update. Finally, enforcement is back on so payments should even back out again. Yep, your change is in this address http://explorer.darkcoin.fr/address/Xjs2oimzYocbBbVnE9zsjzx1NfotEspty1 from when you scrapped your payments off your masternode back to 1k. So what does this mean exactly? Everything is fine? ![Tongue](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/tongue.gif) How come the funds on that address show up in my MN wallet? These are the only addresses that my MN wallet has: https://i.imgur.com/G7kC16l.jpg, the one you linked to is a completely different address. Wut... This is your tx http://explorer.darkcoin.fr/tx/27c4183a9c30c3afd26dcb0bcc30b4cfdc640eff65d6231a0e0c21ab1899f2c8#o1 when you moved 69 DRK of MN payments to another address. However "Total in: 69.24965" and "Fee: 0.0007" so you got 0.24895 as change. Go to Preferences -> Wallet -> tick "Enable coin control features". Now go to Send tab and click "Inputs..." (optional - click "List mode") - there should be your MN (1000 DRK), 3 new payments (2.45609, 1.7507, 1.75) and change (0.24895). Try selecting few (let's say 2.45609 and 1.7507) and click ok. You should see a lot of info on Send tab now. Enter some amount less then Amount shown in Coin control section (let's say 1 DRK) and you'll see Change calculated there. Change addresses are generated automatically each time you send coins (if change is >0) to return leftover back to you wallet. You can override it however by using "Custom change address" field.
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January 28, 2015, 09:39:12 AM |
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Following on from LucD88's query about why his wallet balance isn't the same as his MN's address listing on the block explorer, I'd really like to read a guide on how addresses work, the specifics of coin control and the concepts around change (and why getting lots of dust mining payments makes your wallet.dat bloated and what you should do about it).
I know this is in reality bitcoin 101 stuff, but I feel like I'm missing key parts of how that all works. If anyone knows of a good easy-to-read document explaining this stuff, please post a link. I'm sure there are many others that need some education in this are too.
Everything is fine and showing what should be shown. The way he sent his coins ended up with change back (new change address). You can see that they aren't spent in the block explorer. Anyway, some reading: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1c9xr7/psa_using_paper_wallets_understanding_change/http://bitzuma.com/posts/five-ways-to-lose-money-with-bitcoin-change-addresses/
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January 28, 2015, 09:39:47 AM |
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Thanks for being cool about answering questions and whatnot Otoh.
P.S. , looks like our block reward has been decreased by 7%!
YVW! As promised, I've topped the Crsptsy wall back up to > 100 BTC now ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FJMd3ZPK.png&t=665&c=Y_iOMOSNqRV0AA) So if anyone feels like unloading a few, please to feel free ![Wink](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/wink.gif) It seems your title of "Legendary" is well deserved, LOL ![Wink](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/wink.gif) I'm in AWE of you! Otoh seems one of the few that is planning ( hopefully ) to change a lot of BTC for DRK. As many BTC bag holders are in it for investments aren't they interested in buying in DRK at this time as DRK with all the technical advances has a lot of potential to follow same route that BTC did in the past ?
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January 28, 2015, 09:54:57 AM |
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http://prntscr.com/5y1on2this was me ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) another round tomorrow ![Cheesy](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cheesy.gif)
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January 28, 2015, 09:59:09 AM |
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Why does only 11.0.14 show as "fully active" when the latest download is 11.0.13 ? Where's this version 14 coming from ? ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2F1NKWMoO.png&t=665&c=i5GAxmNcDxrGag) ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FS8bk8Zi.png&t=665&c=5BJq93vV7saJJQ)
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LucD88
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January 28, 2015, 10:11:32 AM |
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Yes, everything is fine. It's a change address. Change addresses do not show up under normal addresses and are only found via coin control. If you are curious to see, enable coin control, go to the send tab and go into inputs. You should see that exact change amount designated as a change address.
This is your tx http://explorer.darkcoin.fr/tx/27c4183a9c30c3afd26dcb0bcc30b4cfdc640eff65d6231a0e0c21ab1899f2c8#o1 when you moved 69 DRK of MN payments to another address. However "Total in: 69.24965" and "Fee: 0.0007" so you got 0.24895 as change. Go to Preferences -> Wallet -> tick "Enable coin control features". Now go to Send tab and click "Inputs..." (optional - click "List mode") - there should be your MN (1000 DRK), 3 new payments (2.45609, 1.7507, 1.75) and change (0.24895). Try selecting few (let's say 2.45609 and 1.7507) and click ok. You should see a lot of info on Send tab now. Enter some amount less then Amount shown in Coin control section (let's say 1 DRK) and you'll see Change calculated there. Change addresses are generated automatically each time you send coins (if change is >0) to return leftover back to you wallet. You can override it however by using "Custom change address" field. Thanks for the time and explanation guys! ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) Sure going to read up more about it.
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RenegadeMan
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January 28, 2015, 10:31:36 AM |
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Following on from LucD88's query about why his wallet balance isn't the same as his MN's address listing on the block explorer, I'd really like to read a guide on how addresses work, the specifics of coin control and the concepts around change (and why getting lots of dust mining payments makes your wallet.dat bloated and what you should do about it).
I know this is in reality bitcoin 101 stuff, but I feel like I'm missing key parts of how that all works. If anyone knows of a good easy-to-read document explaining this stuff, please post a link. I'm sure there are many others that need some education in this are too.
Everything is fine and showing what should be shown. The way he sent his coins ended up with change back (new change address). You can see that they aren't spent in the block explorer. Anyway, some reading: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1c9xr7/psa_using_paper_wallets_understanding_change/http://bitzuma.com/posts/five-ways-to-lose-money-with-bitcoin-change-addresses/Excellent articles, thanks Oblox; just what I was looking for.
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January 28, 2015, 11:06:32 AM |
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11.0.14 Core - All Users What about this ? ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2F5v8ncs3.png&t=665&c=HMHhTSRJQxYhnQ)
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January 28, 2015, 12:00:11 PM Last edit: January 28, 2015, 12:59:02 PM by Rux |
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January 28, 2015, 01:12:09 PM |
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Probably because it isn't the most pressing thing to do being that the update isn't mandatory. Should it be on the website, sure, but is there a rush, no.
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January 28, 2015, 01:38:35 PM |
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Probably because it isn't the most pressing thing to do being that the update isn't mandatory. Should it be on the website, sure, but is there a rush, no. Website maintainers are having hard times because evan keeps deleting the old binaries (even though they are still working). Currently the links for .13 are pointing nowhere.
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January 28, 2015, 01:47:52 PM |
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11.0.14 Core - All Users What about this ? ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2F5v8ncs3.png&t=665&c=HMHhTSRJQxYhnQ) What about it? Nobody said it's required.. :O I'm just an update lunatic.. ![Tongue](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/tongue.gif) Well you see, not one single 11.0.3 node on the Masternode Ninja reports as being fully active - they're all yellow. Meanwhile, all the 11.0.4's are green (100% active). So that would seem to suggest that the update *is* required (to me at least, if you want a green light on Ninja) ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) . However, the 'formal' downloads page has the latest update as 11.0.3: https://www.darkcoin.io/downloads/Whereas this informal post has it as 11.0.4: https://darkcointalk.org/threads/v0-11-0-darkcoin-core-release.3601/page-34#post-38830It's a bit confusing.
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January 28, 2015, 01:48:19 PM |
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im not FUDing, im all DRK ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) i know all this, but for newcomers this has to be fixed ASAP!
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January 28, 2015, 01:55:18 PM |
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Hi, As a MN owner I read this topic a zillion times a day for updates. I might just post this even once or twice to let you guys know im here as well Flare does my Mn for me and am happy with his work. Point is, i have a Raspberry Pi model B (512ram) hanging around in the corner catching dust atm after a failed attempt to get a media player in the bedroom (worked but not used hehe). Is it possible to get a distro on the PI, update with the firewall and all whats needed and run the MN myself? Then just hook it up my router and open port 9999 to it ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) My thanks goes to the dev team for all its excellent work in the past and in the future! EDIT: My activity is now: 2! Woot ![Wink](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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January 28, 2015, 01:59:31 PM |
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drk.mn is a fabulous monitoring tool with great graphical interface. Elberethzone maintains it and every time there is an update, he has to go in a change "everything" to translate DRK's evolution with each iteration. Naturally it's not easy, and does have its quirks, its not as simple as getting the new version and magic happens everything works fine. To be absolutely sure, you have the daemon and query for :1 and all is fine. The yellow is given when >=50% of nodes see that nodes as :0. Probably an induced bug from updating to v.14. I'm sure it'll be fixed soon.
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January 28, 2015, 02:02:55 PM |
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Hi, As a MN owner I read this topic a zillion times a day for updates. I might just post this even once or twice to let you guys know im here as well Flare does my Mn for me and am happy with his work. Point is, i have a Raspberry Pi model B (512ram) hanging around in the corner catching dust atm after a failed attempt to get a media player in the bedroom (worked but not used hehe). Is it possible to get a distro on the PI, update with the firewall and all whats needed and run the MN myself? Then just hook it up my router and open port 9999 to it ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) My thanks goes to the dev team for all its excellent work in the past and in the future! EDIT: My activity is now: 2! Woot ![Wink](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/wink.gif) I remember quite some time ago someone asked a similar question. I think that Raspbian cannot cope with the dependancies needed for the daemon to run. But things change, maybe someone more knowledgeable can chime in?
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