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[raico]

After seeing the effort that went into the Bitcoin Rush video and reading people's reactions here, I wanted to share my feelings on the  aspect of promoting Darkcoin's anonymity/privacy.

I don't think the "window curtains" angle is the proper way to distinguish DRK.  That still comes across as another way of saying DRK can be used for nefarious purposes. While the concept itself is definitely valid (and appreciated), we must remember that we are promoting a CURRENCY, not a method of concealing identity.

Given the current state of society, I can understand the reason most would instinctively look at this from the perspective of "taking back our financial privacy," but really the strongest way to argue this is not to acknowledge that it can be taken away at all.  Currency is one of those sacred things that every person should be able to use freely and confidently no matter what.  By arguing from the defensive angle, you are granting that "money trail" type of law enforcement detective work is acceptable in the first place. It is not.

This issue is not dissimilar to the one of mass surveillance.  When people are constantly worrying about saying the wrong thing and getting "targeted," their productivity, creativity and freedom suffers.  Free speech is a right, and an assumption of privacy should always exist.  How did they catch bad guys before telephones and computers? Oh yeah, they had to do real work.  The exact same thing goes for currency.

So my vote for Darkcoin promotion is to stick with the economic fundamentals. Bitcoin is an almost perfect world currency but it lacks privacy. Why is that important? Because it affects FUNGIBILITY. When people are afraid to spend or accept it, it doesn't get used freely and productivity suffers.

What image does a duffel bag full of hundred dollar bills conjure?  It probably looks like "drug money" or "blood money" or something BAD to most people.  Do shop keepers question your credit card as much as they do your hundred dollar bill? 

What about those bitcoins Coinbase identified as being connected to gambling, or those identified as part of SR or some other negatively portrayed activity.  I is theoretically possible that governments could coerce the mining pools into making sure those particular coins are not spendable.  In the meantime, how can normal honest people be fully confident in accepting a currency which could potentially get confiscated, devalued, or even implicate them in the future as suspects in crimes which they are in no way connected to? 

A truly fungible currency means that everybody will confidently accept it without hesitation.  When every single coin is anonymous, they are equal. That's the real potential of Darkcoin, as I see it.

While Bitcoin gives us nothing to doubt about the coin's validity (cannot be faked, decentralized, value comes from powerful mining effort, no charge-backs, no double-spends, etc.), Darkcoin goes one step further and gives us nothing to fear.

TL;DR --
Promoting DRK's anonymity feature as closed doors/windows/etc to keep things private still invites the falicious "you should have nothing to hide" argument.
Privacy is an inherant component of any truly fungible currency. Promote the fungibility and people will simply use it, no questions asked--and none needed!

(sorry for the long first post. I've been lurking here since page 1000 and finally just registered so I can contribute)
 

Nice post~ And welcome~ 

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[Honest Tim]

That 90 BTC dumper must be so sick!!! tee hee, If he were to buy back, im  thinking he may be able to rustle up 45 BTC now based on XPY

You really are "Mr Schadenfreude"

[raico]

Litecoin and Darkcoin

http://www.notbeinggoverned.com/litecoin-darkcoin/

 

success belongs to the innovators, rather than the copiers~! Especially in the Technology Oriented Field----Crypto world

[Artoodeetoo]

That 90 BTC dumper must be so sick!!! tee hee, If he were to buy back, im  thinking he may be able to rustle up 45 BTC now based on XPY

You really are "Mr Schadenfreude"

If you dump 90 BTC with so little class, you get whats coming to you

[Ignition75]

My heartbeat is directly linked to the price of Darkcoin... Right now I'm at a solid 130bpm...

[raico]

maybe the volume will shift to bitfinex due to that walls

I'd love to see the volume on bitfinex at least as high on cryptsy. Bitfinex is more advanced and is rly fast in deposit withdraws and trades.
Lets put there more focus.

Totally agree~！

[raico]

11.0.10 Core - All Users

Downloads: https://darkcointalk.org/threads/0-11-0-darkcoin-core-release.3601/page-12#post-37320

Darksend users please update and remix your coins to try this and improve your anonymity

Nearly perfect darksend (https://github.com/darkcoin/darkcoin/commit/bbd869589cb08945680627d60c5c091cbd2e8208).

- Found the collateral issue that's been causing users to get charged when they shouldn't be. Now collateral should be charged in about 1 in 40 sessions.
- Improvements to DS anonymity - no change will ever be returned to a user in a pool.
- DS Anonymity improvements for smaller wallets (will have a positive effect on all wallets though)
- DS should also be much faster at mixing
- EXACT DS anonymitizing amounts are now supported (UdjinM6)
- There's a known issue anonymizing small amounts of DRK, try larger amounts if you have any problem (UdjinM6 is working on this)

Performance improvements

- Found the top 5 reasons why performance is suffering for the Darkcoin client and fixed them. Now performance should be similiar to Darkcoil unless you're running Darksend mixing (DS is intensive on the CPU)

InstantX

- I'm officially moving onto finishing implementation of InstantX, expect more great things in the near future

Bump~ again? 

And there is only a few chance to see the the word : Perfect in the release note from the Dev.Team.
So you will know what this means...

[stealth923]

Darkcoin price about to take off

[jiggytom]

My heartbeat is directly linked to the price of Darkcoin... Right now I'm at a solid 130bpm...

Same here...wonder how quickly ppl can take down their sell orders haha.  690 will be a big resistance, and then 700

[vertoe]

So, can you stop buying darkcoin for some hours please, I need some sleep.

https://darkco.in/monitor/

[Ignition75]

My heartbeat is directly linked to the price of Darkcoin... Right now I'm at a solid 130bpm...

Same here...wonder how quickly ppl can take down their sell orders haha.  690 will be a big resistance, and then 700

@750 I will probably reach 140bpm 

[miningpros]

The waiting for page 4000 is killing me.

We haven't talked about changing the logo or name for a few hundred pages.

That always creates some feverish posting.....How about changing the name to otohcoin?

I'm pretty sure Otoh is launching a hostile takeover bid judging by those buy walls... Expect an imminent announcement!  

I have a lot of respect to what Otoh is doing right now , but why on BTC side and not on USD side ?
It would give us a great stepping away from BTC, which in the end should be the case

Otoh was an early investor in BTC so has a substantial holding. It's probably just easier to buy in the DRK/BTC pair than to convert back to fiat and then buy DRK... Plus the DRK/BTC pair has a lot more liquidity than the DRK/USD pair. Otoh has the best part of $100k equivalent of BTC on the DRK bid books at Cryptsy and Bitfinex, there just isn't the liquidity on the USD markets...

Plus converting it back to fiat will create a 'footprint' if you know what I mean...  

Walter

I've had $20,000 in bids on finex USD/DRK for a few days now, I've just left them low as I've no time to manage them, especially as on the road atm. Also I like to trade BTC with USD and lend USD swaps out for interest.

See them indeed on finex, was only checking crypts , thanks again for your efforts
don't know fined that much, not idea about the DRK/USD volume, I know its low on cryptsy
I have all the DRK I could buy at the moment , but love to start trading on USD side.

[CryptoTrout]

Just doubled my holdings, time to buckle in.

[jiggytom]

Mixing some coins on mainnet...16 rounds. Let's see how it goes!

[Artoodeetoo]

Cryptsy troll box is loving DRK!

[toknormal]

Just woke up.

eh.............amber alert ?  

[jiggytom]

How long do "darksend denominate" transactions take to confirm?  Should I do anything if it has been sitting in that status for 20 min?

nevermind, went through!

[jiggytom]

this needs to be fixed... he's running an old version, not doing anything for the network but getting paid 2x in 1 hr.

Code:

Date Found	Height	Found by	Difficulty	Gen+Fees	MN Payment	MNP Ratio
Expected/Actual	Masternode	Masternode version
1 minute ago	206561	miningpoolhub	2794.7	5.0015	1.75052	35%/35%	XdLQCURemVDnHzRFN7W2CyBWiby7nG2jWa	Core (0.11.0.10+)
42 minutes ago	206548	miningpoolhub	2785.11	5	1.75	35%/35%	XdLQCURemVDnHzRFN7W2CyBWiby7nG2jWa	Core (0.11.0.10+)

[g4q34g4qg47ww]

How long do "darksend denominate" transactions take to confirm?  Should I do anything if it has been sitting in that status for 20 min?

nevermind, went through!

Feel totally free to ignore this advice, but declaring when you are mixing compromises your own anonymity, which you may or may not care about, but since you are more identifiable it also weakens the anonymity of the people you are mixing with. Considering i am fairly sure no single person owns 1500 masternodes it is a very small point, but it looks like I am the guy who is pointing it out this time around. Not telling you what to do though, stick your dick in the mashed potatoes for all i care. The more you know!

[eduffield]

this needs to be fixed... he's running an old version, not doing anything for the network but getting paid 2x in 1 hr.

Code:

Date Found	Height	Found by	Difficulty	Gen+Fees	MN Payment	MNP Ratio
Expected/Actual	Masternode	Masternode version
1 minute ago	206561	miningpoolhub	2794.7	5.0015	1.75052	35%/35%	XdLQCURemVDnHzRFN7W2CyBWiby7nG2jWa	Core (0.11.0.10+)
42 minutes ago	206548	miningpoolhub	2785.11	5	1.75	35%/35%	XdLQCURemVDnHzRFN7W2CyBWiby7nG2jWa	Core (0.11.0.10+)

There were network issues from the switch from v10 to v11, so I had to turn enforcement off for the time being. After the network updates, we'll stop paying old nodes and they'll be paid on a schedule again.