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Author Topic: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency  (Read 9723463 times)
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January 30, 2015, 10:09:01 AM
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Chinese seem to be in Matchfixing a lot
Can anyone tell them that DRK could be very useful in that respect  Wink
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January 30, 2015, 10:28:17 AM
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Prolonged uptread! There was no uptrend... Let alone prolonged one Grin

Need to just wait for the mothership to take off.

We must always remember to monitor the "Bitcoin Channel" at all times in that regard.... http://www.thebitcoinchannel.com
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January 30, 2015, 10:35:37 AM
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toknormal im ready to drink my ass of if DRK raise even 0.3 $

that would mean my masternode would pay its monthly rate from bank loan Cheesy


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January 30, 2015, 10:38:12 AM
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******** Amber Alert *********

We must attempt to get DRK supported by LedgerX. Or at least get them interested and familiar with the Darkcoin project, legacy and objectives.

This is the type of thing that will take digital currencies mainstream. I know it doesn't look like much now (and perhaps a bit ahead of its time) but it's way more than 'just another exchange'.

Cryptocurrency derivatives will be essential to allow any large retail or commercial goods traders to operate using crypto. The availability of derivatives is what will allow retailers to hold more of their cryptocurrency takings rather than cash straight out to fiat.

Look at the bio's of the staff team - these guys are serious (and probably loaded as well, not in need of VC cash).

https://ledgerx.com/about-the-team/

This is what I meant the other day when I was saying that the price doesn't tell you jack about where this industry is going. The crypto market's on the deck and yet those who live their lives day in day out in the financial services industry are only getting more interested to the point where they're packing up their day jobs and throwing their lot in with crypto.

We must keep focused on objectives. Things are happening.
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January 30, 2015, 10:56:27 AM
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https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/asic-coming-x-algorithms-darkcoin-watch/

Some more news!  They say taht DRK price may go down as ASICs will reduce the scarcity of a coin... lolz.... what about masternode payment...

Well, just some math.

576 blocks / day
4,65 DRK / block
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~2680 DRK / day

Currently 37.5% goes to miners, which is expected to increase, which will be 57.5% by this time next year.
If i understood correctly, ASICS are not expected to be out before that. This means only 42.5% will be distributed between miners.
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~1138 DRK / day

In a year from now DRK supply will be reduced by 7%
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~1058 DRK / day

To make it easier, let's use 1000 DRK / day for further calculations (feel free to adjust the end results by 5% due to this)


The three ASIC models in the article range from 900 to 7500 USD. Let's use the average of 2500 USD (assuming more units are sold from the cheaper version, which may not be true at all).

" For their business model to work, they reportedly have to sell 4,000 units before they produce one. "
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Let's assume that 4000 units will be sold for 2500$ each. That's 10 million USD, basically the current market cap of DRK. It's easy to see that with today's prices it would be impossible to make a positive ROI. Why?

If 4000 units will be mining, the 1000 DRK / day generated will be distributed evenly, resulting in 0.25 DRK / day for each ASIC. With today's prices, that's an astonishing 0.25 * 1.6 USD = 0.4 USD

ROI in this case would be 6250 days, assuming no more people buying ASICs (impossible), DRK supply not decreasing (impossible due to the 7% yearly decrease), and the mining share of all coins generated not decreasing (unlikely based on the current plan).

Nonetheless, let's calculate with this 0.25 DRK / day.


Should DRK to BTC ratio raise to 0.07 (3 times ATH), the result is 4 USD / day.
If at the same time BTC to USD raises tenfold as well to 2500, the yield is 40 USD / day. Which makes it roughly two months to get the initial investment back. Minus electricity.

The same 2500 USD would net ~1500 DRK currently, and within a year it would generate an additional ~180 (0.5 * 365). With the prices above one DRK would be priced at 160 USD. 1680 * 160 USD = 268800 USD

Conclusion:
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There is no financial incentive currently for miners to switch for ASIC, assuming the minimum 4000 asic units needed, and the 2500$ unit price. Should any of these change by more than 1 orders on magnitude, it might be viable with today's prices. But even then, buying the coins directly and setting up a masternode would be a WAY better investment.

I could go on for pages with the analysis, but I hope this was enough.

The only reason why ASICs would be worth buying is if someone wants to attack the network. But seeing that creating such an ASIC costs millions, this is hardly an issue currently. So people, there is basically no reason to be afraid of ASICs for now.

If anyone finds a flaw in my logic above, please elaborate.
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January 30, 2015, 11:04:52 AM
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https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/asic-coming-x-algorithms-darkcoin-watch/

should we worry about this?
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Last edit: January 30, 2015, 11:25:52 AM by GhostPlayer
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I have a complimentary analysis.

 - They "only" have 169 units left, in each of the models they sell - red flag.
 - They basically pre-sold the majority of the pre-buy, yet say its not enough and need VC capital - double red flag.
 - Their development roadmap is completely bonkers and urealistic - ferrari red flag
 - Their units have one, or ..."  two built-in Cloud Chips that unleash an additional 600,000 KH or (600MH) of hashing power. You can activate the cloud-hashing feature with the touch of a button" - Pantone 485 flag - or Clown-nose red flag ... this one cracked me up
 - Absolute zero proof of development - blood-red flag
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January 30, 2015, 11:11:27 AM
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If its for real, and they do roll-out units, not at all. Anyone making the ludicrous investment in pre-buy is no DRK dumper. In any case, ASIC do strengthen the network massively.
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January 30, 2015, 11:15:33 AM
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https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/asic-coming-x-algorithms-darkcoin-watch/

Some more news!  They say taht DRK price may go down as ASICs will reduce the scarcity of a coin... lolz.... what about masternode payment...

Well, just some math.

576 blocks / day
4,65 DRK / block
-------------------
~2680 DRK / day

Currently 37.5% goes to miners, which is expected to increase, which will be 57.5% by this time next year.
If i understood correctly, ASICS are not expected to be out before that. This means only 42.5% will be distributed between miners.
--------------
~1138 DRK / day

In a year from now DRK supply will be reduced by 7%
---------------------------------------
~1058 DRK / day

To make it easier, let's use 1000 DRK / day for further calculations (feel free to adjust the end results by 5% due to this)


The three ASIC models in the article range from 900 to 7500 USD. Let's use the average of 2500 USD (assuming more units are sold from the cheaper version, which may not be true at all).

" For their business model to work, they reportedly have to sell 4,000 units before they produce one. "
-------------------------

Let's assume that 4000 units will be sold for 2500$ each. That's 10 million USD, basically the current market cap of DRK. It's easy to see that with today's prices it would be impossible to make a positive ROI. Why?

If 4000 units will be mining, the 1000 DRK / day generated will be distributed evenly, resulting in 0.25 DRK / day for each ASIC. With today's prices, that's an astonishing 0.25 * 1.6 USD = 0.4 USD

ROI in this case would be 6250 days, assuming no more people buying ASICs (impossible), DRK supply not decreasing (impossible due to the 7% yearly decrease), and the mining share of all coins generated not decreasing (unlikely based on the current plan).

Nonetheless, let's calculate with this 0.25 DRK / day.


Should DRK to BTC ratio raise to 0.07 (3 times ATH), the result is 4 USD / day.
If at the same time BTC to USD raises tenfold as well to 2500, the yield is 40 USD / day. Which makes it roughly two months to get the initial investment back. Minus electricity.

The same 2500 USD would net ~1500 DRK currently, and within a year it would generate an additional ~180 (0.5 * 365). With the prices above one DRK would be priced at 160 USD. 1680 * 160 USD = 268800 USD

Conclusion:
-------------
There is no financial incentive currently for miners to switch for ASIC, assuming the minimum 4000 asic units needed, and the 2500$ unit price. Should any of these change by more than 1 orders on magnitude, it might be viable with today's prices. But even then, buying the coins directly and setting up a masternode would be a WAY better investment.

I could go on for pages with the analysis, but I hope this was enough.

The only reason why ASICs would be worth buying is if someone wants to attack the network. But seeing that creating such an ASIC costs millions, this is hardly an issue currently. So people, there is basically no reason to be afraid of ASICs for now.

If anyone finds a flaw in my logic above, please elaborate.

if you have an account, can you post this unswer in the comments? Or do you mind if i do it later (if i dont forget...)?

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January 30, 2015, 11:24:22 AM
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lol at Pantone 485 flag  Grin
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January 30, 2015, 11:32:03 AM
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if you have an account, can you post this unswer in the comments? Or do you mind if i do it later (if i dont forget...)?

Sure I can, I just need some confirmation here that my logic is correct Cheesy
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January 30, 2015, 11:54:47 AM
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im happy with my masternode. it doesnt matter for me which mines drk, gpus or asics or an alien mothership Smiley
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January 30, 2015, 11:56:21 AM
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Darkcoin price depends on Bitcoin price.

At this time crypto coins still hard to use for normal people, and I think Bitcoin price cannot bounce back like in late of 2013.

If Bitcoin price still low then X11 ASIC is not profitable.


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January 30, 2015, 12:17:06 PM
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<Sorry, I just have to let of a bit of steam here>

Bill Gates floods the world with the most horrendously thought out software mankind had ever had the misfortune to vomit up because he believes that's a "good thing".

Then, he decides to go on a worldwide rampage to slam all kinds of chemicals into millions of unsuspecting kids because he believes that's a "good thing".

Now he's talking about how great it would be if we all had bank accounts. (Highly levered fiat liquidity ones of course so that even more debt can be lumbered on same unsuspecting populations that he slammed with chemicals in their infancy).

Then this ridiculous statement:



Who has EVER heard of a banking transaction that's "reversible". It's a contradiction in terms. You "reverse" a transaction by sending the same amount in the other direction. What he's alluding to is contracts which are a totally different thing.

Sure, a miss-keyed packet of cornflakes can be corrected at a supermarket cashpoint, but that's just the local system handling the POS transaction before it later commits it to the bank clearing system (the equivalent of the 'blockchain'). Once that process (which may take hours to days) takes place there's no question of there being any "reverse" other than doing a new transaction in the opposite direction.

What a ridiculous idea.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?x-yt-cl=85027636&x-yt-ts=1422503916&v=kgfVKbGNqOY

</Sorry, I just have to let of a bit of steam here>


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January 30, 2015, 12:56:42 PM
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Everyone, please help contributing translations for the darkcoin wallet:

https://darkcointalk.org/threads/help-translating-the-darkcoin-core.3810/
https://www.transifex.com/projects/p/darkcoin/
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January 30, 2015, 12:57:09 PM
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I don't think reversible is important, except spending billion dollars like Bill Gates.
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January 30, 2015, 01:04:49 PM
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Please add Vietnamese!
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Added.
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January 30, 2015, 01:16:00 PM
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Could You add Latvian as well?
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