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Author Topic: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency  (Read 9722716 times)
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June 20, 2014, 11:51:18 PM
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Could we do this again ? Those week hands dumped more than the last 20 days combined. I like my investment  in strong hands. Its safer that way  Cheesy

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June 20, 2014, 11:51:46 PM
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Im kind of curious to know if the dev's trade around this info or halt their trading activity day of patches? It can be dangerous to play in these games when this is the case. I have no reason to believe but have the dev's assured anyone that they don't trade off the knowledge?

Kinda seems well played for those in the "know"

If they wanted to trade on inside info, I don't think #darkcoin-test would be publicly visible.

I just wonder if hes stated it either way. I can't help but feel like If I had a lot of coins I'd want to hope I would be fair. But you put thousands of dark coins in my hand and tell me nobody will know if I sell first and then tell news... makes it easily manipulated from the inside. As someone who wants to stay long with 30 dark domains registered I hope to have confidence and the team and products integrity as well.

know what I mean?

I think Evan is pretty busy monitoring the system and its wellbeing rather than trading the coin.

But, there are several layers of information.

The way information propagates is something like this:

1) IRC
2) Bitcointalk / Darkcointalk (in days like this it's Bitcointalk)
3) The internet at large

Even at the IRC level, it has two strata, one being #darkcoin and another being #darkcoin-test, with #darkcoin-test being more in the know than #darkcoin.

In finance, the two most prized abilities are

- Knowing the future
- Controlling the future

...as you can make tons of money out of these.

What happened earlier is that #darkcoin-test witnessed an announcement to something like 50-60 people that there is a problem and that the dev will shut down payments with a patch. Everyone else (#darkcoin IRC, darkcointalk, bitcointalk, etc) were in the "dark" and celebrating about the success of the patch. Some were already selling on those who were celebrating and asking "why are people dumping???" given that some had better info than others.

Note that this is not a function of being an insider, but rather actively seeking information to be up-to-date, as the info is public for all if one goes to the proper channels.

Some on the IRC felt that my taking this info from darkcoin-test and posting it onto bitcointalk is not good and that perhaps darkcoin-test should be password-locked or something. I made the case that if that happens, this lack of transparency is then in itself a function of financial manipulation because those who have a password, will have access to advance info against all the others. A password for a closed IRC channel could be worth XX.XXX USD in this context.

The market should mature in its reactions to good or bad news (ok this is cryptoland, so...) but, IMO, transparency is non-negotiable in this aspect.

I don't have the requirement for information to be brought to me, and 99.9% of the time I don't even bother to find the info (=log into IRC) but today I did because I knew if I didn't I would be lagging in terms of updates. So I tried to relay this info to the forum as well. If the darkcoin-test was closed, that would be impossible.

The dev doesn't possess bi-location ability to be simultaneously able to post in the forum, irc, twitter, facebook etc etc, while also seeing the problems and trying to fix them. He is one man and thus can only post in certain places at a certain pace given time and workload constraints. People in here bitch about information/communication issues, and the dev not giving updates to the forum, when in fact he is active on the IRC, but the info is not always reaching the forum and it creates unnecessary panic that the dev is somehow absent when the whole universe is imploding.

In any case, to make the long story short, I haven't seen any evidence of financial manipulation. And, as long as the process / communication is transparent, we will be OK.
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June 20, 2014, 11:53:56 PM
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LOL did anyone just see that epic cryptsy dump?

https://bitcoinwisdom.com/markets/cryptsy/drkbtc
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June 20, 2014, 11:54:58 PM
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LOL did anyone see that epic cryptsy dump?
Yeah. That surprised me too.

I thought she was kinda gorgeous.
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June 20, 2014, 11:55:05 PM
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Its going to take one more month for what you call "simple problem" ?

It'd be better to let the devs work without the stress of the market so that they deliver a bug-free feature. IMO the coin's reputation cannot afford a 3rd failure to migrate to the new payments system. A quick & dirty fix that could possibly lead to another problem is by far worse than waiting for some weeks. My 2 cents

When the first delay occurred, people were like "if there is a second delay, the coin will die".
When the first fork happened, people were like "if there is a second fork, the coin will die".

It seems to me like the benchmark is always re-positioned to the next possible make-it/break-it point to add extra excitement and drama.

If people have unrealistic expectations of what a development project is, that's their problem. I think the market is showing tremendous levels of maturity and now understands the situation far better.
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June 20, 2014, 11:56:18 PM
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LOL did anyone just see that epic cryptsy dump?

https://bitcoinwisdom.com/markets/cryptsy/drkbtc

Old news!!  Nobody cares anymore because we are about to board a shuttle to the moon!!!
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June 21, 2014, 12:00:26 AM
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LOL did anyone just see that epic cryptsy dump?

https://bitcoinwisdom.com/markets/cryptsy/drkbtc

Old news!!  Nobody cares anymore because we are about to board a shuttle to the moon!!!

Old News? It's happening now! I hope I can get some more cheap on Mintpal Smiley

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June 21, 2014, 12:04:30 AM
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LOL did anyone see that epic cryptsy dump?
Yeah. That surprised me too.

I thought she was kinda gorgeous.

Doesn't matter.  The market has spoken!   Wink

Looks like someone dumped 3000+ in a single sale.
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June 21, 2014, 12:04:52 AM
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[01:55] <qqr> race conditions are hard to witness
Race conditions are easy to create, hard to find, and can be very very bad...Especially when they show up in medical equipment. Never forget the Therac-25:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Therac-25

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June 21, 2014, 12:08:41 AM
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I wonder if some nodes have been disbanded to sell the massive DRK dumps

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https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.msg5424980#msg5424980
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June 21, 2014, 12:09:01 AM
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BUMP

Everyone update for reverting Masternode payments

Update: Reverting Masternode Payments and New Binaries

https://darkcointalk.org/threads/reverting-rc3-masternode-payments-fork.1458/

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June 21, 2014, 12:10:56 AM
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Today has been amazing.  While I would have preferred that the fork gone smoothly, it provided an outstanding additional entry point.  I didn't come close to bottom ticking this move which I'm upset with myself for (more on that below), but in the long run, my entry points today will look excellent.

There are multiple reasons I decided to increase my investment:

1.  Excellent price.

2.  The issue appeared minor in scope.

3.  I thought we were going to see a stronger selloff than we had which is why I didn't come close to bottom ticking the market.  There were a couple large panic sellers, but there were plenty of people buying the heck out of those drops.  There is serious capital utilizing prime opportunities like this to enter the market.  I want to ride that capital wave.

4.  Evan showed once again what an incredible dev he is.  He stood strong and did what was best for DRK in the face of what would be insurmountable opposition to most people.  EVERY SINGLE PERSON in IRC was saying not to revert.  I didn't see a single person supporting his decision yet he stood firm because he knew it was the right decision.  I guarantee you this, should Evan ever decide to start a company after DRK and needs Venture Capital, VC's will be throwing money at him.
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June 21, 2014, 12:15:00 AM
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LOL did anyone just see that epic cryptsy dump?

https://bitcoinwisdom.com/markets/cryptsy/drkbtc

Old news!!  Nobody cares anymore because we are about to board a shuttle to the moon!!!

Old News? It's happening now! I hope I can get some more cheap on Mintpal Smiley

You must be looking at something other than me.  I see an upward trend now that confidence has been restored.  If not for some big sell's by some weak handed trolls, we would already be pitching our tents on the moons surface!
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June 21, 2014, 12:17:19 AM
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Charts here: http://crypto-prices.com/DRK

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June 21, 2014, 12:17:33 AM
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Today has been amazing.  While I would have preferred that the fork gone smoothly, it provided an outstanding additional entry point.  I didn't come close to bottom ticking this move which I'm upset with myself for (more on that below), but in the long run, my entry points today will look excellent.

There are multiple reasons I decided to increase my investment:

1.  Excellent price.

2.  The issue appeared minor in scope.

3.  I thought we were going to see a stronger selloff than we had which is why I didn't come close to bottom ticking the market.  There were a couple large panic sellers, but there were plenty of people buying the heck out of those drops.  There is serious capital utilizing prime opportunities like this to enter the market.  I want to ride that capital wave.

4.  Evan showed once again what an incredible dev he is.  He stood strong and did what was best for DRK in the face of what would be insurmountable opposition to most people.  EVERY SINGLE PERSON in IRC was saying not to revert.  I didn't see a single person supporting his decision yet he stood firm because he knew it was the right decision.  I guarantee you this, should Evan ever decide to start a company after DRK and needs Venture Capital, VC's will be throwing money at him.

Buddy, I am sorry, but concerning 4/, I still can't fathom with the fork could not go ahead ESPECIALLY since it was apparently caused by a minor and rare issue - 2 blocks simultaneous with different MN votes. We will never know, but it seems to me it is preposterous to pretend it was the best decision.

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 "I'd like to thank eduffield and the other developers for this critically important evolution in virtual currency. DarkCoin is what bitcoin should have been. Some might call it "Bitcoin 2.0" but would do better by saying: "DarkCoin is digital cash." - Child Harold - February 28, 2014
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.msg5424980#msg5424980
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June 21, 2014, 12:21:17 AM
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For people who missed it

<@evan82> Two blocks are solved at nearly the same moment on the network, both are propogated and accepted by the network. In the current implementation both blocks have the same hash, but in these blocks there's some discrepency about who to vote for.

<@evan82> In one block the miner votes for 88802 and 88803, in the other the miner abstains from voting. When the next block is solved it's based on of one of the older blocks, so half of the network beleives the miner cheated and rejects the block causing a fork.

<@evan82> The solution to this is rather simple. Any changes to the votes need to also change the hash of the block. The network must not think these two blocks are the same.


<@evan82> http://pastebin.com/QmbM8dPH

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June 21, 2014, 12:22:14 AM
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Evan showed once again what an incredible dev he is.  He stood strong and did what was best for DRK in the face of what would be insurmountable opposition to most people.  EVERY SINGLE PERSON in IRC was saying not to revert.  I didn't see a single person supporting his decision yet he stood firm because he knew it was the right decision.  I guarantee you this, should Evan ever decide to start a company after DRK and needs Venture Capital, VC's will be throwing money at him.

I agree. That must have taken some bottle.

He is quite a guy to have at the helm of a project like this. In the end that'll be what makes it.
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June 21, 2014, 12:32:19 AM
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Today has been amazing.  While I would have preferred that the fork gone smoothly, it provided an outstanding additional entry point.  I didn't come close to bottom ticking this move which I'm upset with myself for (more on that below), but in the long run, my entry points today will look excellent.

There are multiple reasons I decided to increase my investment:

1.  Excellent price.

2.  The issue appeared minor in scope.

3.  I thought we were going to see a stronger selloff than we had which is why I didn't come close to bottom ticking the market.  There were a couple large panic sellers, but there were plenty of people buying the heck out of those drops.  There is serious capital utilizing prime opportunities like this to enter the market.  I want to ride that capital wave.

4.  Evan showed once again what an incredible dev he is.  He stood strong and did what was best for DRK in the face of what would be insurmountable opposition to most people.  EVERY SINGLE PERSON in IRC was saying not to revert.  I didn't see a single person supporting his decision yet he stood firm because he knew it was the right decision.  I guarantee you this, should Evan ever decide to start a company after DRK and needs Venture Capital, VC's will be throwing money at him.

Buddy, I am sorry, but concerning 4/, I still can't fathom with the fork could not go ahead ESPECIALLY since it was apparently caused by a minor and rare issue - 2 blocks simultaneous with different MN votes. We will never know, but it seems to me it is preposterous to pretend it was the best decision.

The code must be able to account for freak results, even if they happen rarely. You can't have your coin at the mercy of random forks due to a known bug.
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June 21, 2014, 12:37:47 AM
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BUMP

Everyone update for reverting Masternode payments

Update: Reverting Masternode Payments and New Binaries

https://darkcointalk.org/threads/reverting-rc3-masternode-payments-fork.1458/

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June 21, 2014, 12:42:35 AM
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Today has been amazing.  While I would have preferred that the fork gone smoothly, it provided an outstanding additional entry point.  I didn't come close to bottom ticking this move which I'm upset with myself for (more on that below), but in the long run, my entry points today will look excellent.

There are multiple reasons I decided to increase my investment:

1.  Excellent price.

2.  The issue appeared minor in scope.

3.  I thought we were going to see a stronger selloff than we had which is why I didn't come close to bottom ticking the market.  There were a couple large panic sellers, but there were plenty of people buying the heck out of those drops.  There is serious capital utilizing prime opportunities like this to enter the market.  I want to ride that capital wave.

4.  Evan showed once again what an incredible dev he is.  He stood strong and did what was best for DRK in the face of what would be insurmountable opposition to most people.  EVERY SINGLE PERSON in IRC was saying not to revert.  I didn't see a single person supporting his decision yet he stood firm because he knew it was the right decision.  I guarantee you this, should Evan ever decide to start a company after DRK and needs Venture Capital, VC's will be throwing money at him.

Buddy, I am sorry, but concerning 4/, I still can't fathom with the fork could not go ahead ESPECIALLY since it was apparently caused by a minor and rare issue - 2 blocks simultaneous with different MN votes. We will never know, but it seems to me it is preposterous to pretend it was the best decision.

The code must be able to account for freak results, even if they happen rarely. You can't have your coin at the mercy of random forks due to a known bug.

well hot fixes exist, but what is done is done anyway, no point arguing.
I guess I am a little upset about this 2nd botched fork - I am going to bed now and get some sleep

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https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.msg5424980#msg5424980
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