Test Cricket Prediction and Discussion Thread [self - mod]

[sportbettor]

If all the test nations follow this and prepare pitches to suit them, then it is going to create a lot of issues. I hope that the ICC has taken note of the condition of the pitch.

Bangladesh and Sri Lanka are preparing similar pitches like India and the ball usually starts spinning from the first day and England had a successful campaign in Sri Lanka before touring India because of the quality of players India have. I am yet to see Pakistan preparing wickets like these as they recently resumed cricket and the pitches were decent when they played South Africa.

The solution to prepare green turf when Asians countries tour and repay the debt as i do not think ICC will interfere in the pitch preparation.

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[eaLiTy]

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I don't mind watching such game once a while, just for change but tbh i don't really enjoy 2 days test cricket because its not healthy for the test cricket overall. Having said that i am equally against the hypocritical behavior of almost everyone, when fast bowlers finish the game quickly then its good for cricket and batsmen can't play seam etc, but when its spin then every discussion focus on blaming the pitch, toss etc except batsmen.  

I might be a biased but i find this mindset bit of colonial and slave mentality. After all we want gora's approval on freaking everything.

I really enjoyed the matches when bowlers have the advantage, i really do like the contest between bat and ball and i really do not enjoy when the batsman is dominating and the bowler is playing the second fiddle bowling the ball to amuse the audience fetching the ball outside stadium . I did not enjoy watching the T10 format matches as i do not find it entertaining when the batsman have all the advantage with shorter boundaries .

The rules that helps the batsman were written when there were no protection for the batsman nor they were having the helmet and now things are different and there should be a format that takes away all the undue advantage of a batsman, no leg side field restriction nor limits on bouncers but you can call wide.

The only problem i saw with the Ahmedabad pitch is the quality of the pitch, dust puffing in the first day and if the matches are not finished in the first 3 days you will see 90 degree turn from Joe Root and other part time bowlers .

Bumrah is not playing next game, guess due to personal reason or rested..
 

The final match is played in the same stadium and hence there is no point in replacement, they should add an extra batman rather than wasting a spot as Axar and Ashwin will be bowling almost all the overs .

[7788bitcoin]

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In both the cases, the TV broadcasters are going to lose out. If the match ends in two days instead of five, then their advertising revenue will be taking a big hit. For the cricket board, it is not an issue since the TV rights are already sold out and they are not much dependent on the gate collection. But for the TV channels and those who put up advertisement in the ground, it will turn to be a loss making proposition.

The broadcasters will not like the match finishing early but since it is India they wont have any complaints as they will get the advertisement revenue than any other country and if the match ends quite often then they might raise any concerns and ask to extend the contract as they are paying insane high amount of money for the matches and they are willing to pay because they can return them through advertisement and usually matches will not end in two days.

[mersal]

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I don't mind watching such game once a while, just for change but tbh i don't really enjoy 2 days test cricket because its not healthy for the test cricket overall. Having said that i am equally against the hypocritical behavior of almost everyone, when fast bowlers finish the game quickly then its good for cricket and batsmen can't play seam etc, but when its spin then every discussion focus on blaming the pitch, toss etc except batsmen.  

I might be a biased but i find this mindset bit of colonial and slave mentality. After all we want gora's approval on freaking everything.

I really enjoyed the matches when bowlers have the advantage, i really do like the contest between bat and ball and i really do not enjoy when the batsman is dominating and the bowler is playing the second fiddle bowling the ball to amuse the audience fetching the ball outside stadium . I did not enjoy watching the T10 format matches as i do not find it entertaining when the batsman have all the advantage with shorter boundaries .

The rules that helps the batsman were written when there were no protection for the batsman nor they were having the helmet and now things are different and there should be a format that takes away all the undue advantage of a batsman, no leg side field restriction nor limits on bouncers but you can call wide.

The only problem i saw with the Ahmedabad pitch is the quality of the pitch, dust puffing in the first day and if the matches are not finished in the first 3 days you will see 90 degree turn from Joe Root and other part time bowlers .

Lets give bowlers too a chance to dominate the game completely and that is what happened on that match but even crickets feel its unfair to have a pitch which favours the spinners than batsmen. Pitch curator will be asked to produce better quality pitch this time and the match ended in just 2 days so they will be having more time to get the things done in the last match of this series to avoid any further criticism on the pitch side.

[onrise]

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I don't mind watching such game once a while, just for change but tbh i don't really enjoy 2 days test cricket because its not healthy for the test cricket overall. Having said that i am equally against the hypocritical behavior of almost everyone, when fast bowlers finish the game quickly then its good for cricket and batsmen can't play seam etc, but when its spin then every discussion focus on blaming the pitch, toss etc except batsmen.  

I might be a biased but i find this mindset bit of colonial and slave mentality. After all we want gora's approval on freaking everything.

I really enjoyed the matches when bowlers have the advantage, i really do like the contest between bat and ball and i really do not enjoy when the batsman is dominating and the bowler is playing the second fiddle bowling the ball to amuse the audience fetching the ball outside stadium . I did not enjoy watching the T10 format matches as i do not find it entertaining when the batsman have all the advantage with shorter boundaries .

The rules that helps the batsman were written when there were no protection for the batsman nor they were having the helmet and now things are different and there should be a format that takes away all the undue advantage of a batsman, no leg side field restriction nor limits on bouncers but you can call wide.

The only problem i saw with the Ahmedabad pitch is the quality of the pitch, dust puffing in the first day and if the matches are not finished in the first 3 days you will see 90 degree turn from Joe Root and other part time bowlers .

Lets give bowlers too a chance to dominate the game completely and that is what happened on that match but even crickets feel its unfair to have a pitch which favours the spinners than batsmen. Pitch curator will be asked to produce better quality pitch this time and the match ended in just 2 days so they will be having more time to get the things done in the last match of this series to avoid any further criticism on the pitch side.

I do not understand what’s wrong for having the pitch which supports spinners, like is it completely fine when the pitch supports fast bowlers then who will think for spinners under that case. Its fair to have the pitch supporting spinners, there are already pitches supporting fast bowlers. Okay match ended too quickly then expected but understand Indian 4th innings score was scored without losing a wicket so it means the pitch was getting better from 3rd day only thing need time to stand on the pitch.

[Haunebu]

Lets give bowlers too a chance to dominate the game completely and that is what happened on that match but even crickets feel its unfair to have a pitch which favours the spinners than batsmen.

The Indian and English cricketers themselves don't have major issues with the pitch. The cricketers who are whining like kids are actually the commentators, England legends etc which is embarrassing to be honest.

These guys need to learn from New Zealand on how to accept and learn from your losses(NZ players could have made a big deal out of the World Cup final, but they chose not to).

[eaLiTy]

The Indian and English cricketers themselves don't have major issues with the pitch. The cricketers who are whining like kids are actually the commentators, England legends etc which is embarrassing to be honest.

There were many pundits who predicted Australia is going to whitewash India and when India won the series they were silent for a while and now they started again complaining about the pitch and it is funny to hear all the complaints. The WTC rules were changed when the pandemic hit and India is supposed to be playing in the final with the matches they played and Australia wisely cancelled the South African tour because they will get the points even without playing and after England loosing they lost the place in the WTC final and now they are finding the reason for the failure .

[ene1980]

Any of you saw this tweet from former England captain Michael Vaughan, "Indian batsman can't play off spinners from Yorkshire." This was referred to Joe Root once after the first innings of India. Joe Root was the one to make a five wicket as a captain after Bob Willis.

Joe Root is a part time bowler and he had success in the pitch that helps the spinners and there are many opinions from former players and England have the best team in a long time and many were hoping England to give a good fight and after the win in the first match everyone expected the matches to be much closer but India dominated the next two matches.

[LittleBitFunny]

Any of you saw this tweet from former England captain Michael Vaughan, "Indian batsman can't play off spinners from Yorkshire." This was referred to Joe Root once after the first innings of India. Joe Root was the one to make a five wicket as a captain after Bob Willis.

Joe Root is a part time bowler and he had success in the pitch that helps the spinners and there are many opinions from former players and England have the best team in a long time and many were hoping England to give a good fight and after the win in the first match everyone expected the matches to be much closer but India dominated the next two matches.

After the first match, everyone thought India would lose the series, and maybe the tug of war will begin with Virat Kohli's captaincy. But in the next two matches, India completely defeated England. I have not seen such a poor performance of England in Test format for a long time. But I think England will win the last Test match. And the series will draw

[Sithara007]

The broadcasters will not like the match finishing early but since it is India they wont have any complaints as they will get the advertisement revenue than any other country and if the match ends quite often then they might raise any concerns and ask to extend the contract as they are paying insane high amount of money for the matches and they are willing to pay because they can return them through advertisement and usually matches will not end in two days.

Under such conditions, I believe that the ICC need to reimburse the broadcasters at least 40% of the amount. Usually we don't expect the test matches to last 5 days, but 4 days is the average. Here because of the poor ground condition, the match got finished in almost 5 sessions of play (two days). It is the fault of the BCCI and they need to cover the losses for the TV broadcasters.

[JSRAW]

Good to see fair amount of people supporting spin track as they support seaming-bouncy wickets and calling out hypocrisy.

If anyone crying about pitch or only spinners taking wicket, should read this article.
Why are only spinning wickets classified as poor?

Read this also "Ashwin interview" or watch on Youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TuBQBwE47Pk
R Ashwin hits back at pitch critics: 'Who defines what a good surface is?'

Nathon Lyon also thinks the same -Its Australian media so don't bother with the catchy headline "Whacks crying Poms"-
‘I want that curator at the SCG’: Lyon whacks ‘crying’ Poms after furore over two-day Test pitch

[bryant.coleman]

^^^ Ashwin and Lyon may disagree. But I don't think that the pitch in which Joe Root got 5 wickets for 8 runs against the world famous Indian batsmen can be considered as adequate for international standards. Two-day test matches has happened earlier as well. But most of these matches resulted lop-sided contests, such as the match in 2018 between India and Afghanistan or the 2017 test match between South Africa vs Zimbabwe. In both these matches, the winning team scored in excess of 300 runs in their first innings.

[mersal]

Good to see fair amount of people supporting spin track as they support seaming-bouncy wickets and calling out hypocrisy.

If anyone crying about pitch or only spinners taking wicket, should read this article.
Why are only spinning wickets classified as poor?

Read this also "Ashwin interview" or watch on Youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TuBQBwE47Pk
R Ashwin hits back at pitch critics: 'Who defines what a good surface is?'

Nathon Lyon also thinks the same -Its Australian media so don't bother with the catchy headline "Whacks crying Poms"-
‘I want that curator at the SCG’: Lyon whacks ‘crying’ Poms after furore over two-day Test pitch

I am sure that every spinner in the world will be amazed to bowl at such a track and there is nothing wrong with it right because if batsmen getting advantage most of the time and pacers getting the remaining then spinners are rarely having such a golden opportunity but still people calling it as not fair.

ENG needs to practice on the spinning tracks as well because this is international arena so they should be prepared to play on every condition irrespective of which is more favorable conditions for them to play.

[Vishnu.Reang]

I am sure that every spinner in the world will be amazed to bowl at such a track and there is nothing wrong with it right because if batsmen getting advantage most of the time and pacers getting the remaining then spinners are rarely having such a golden opportunity but still people calling it as not fair.

ENG needs to practice on the spinning tracks as well because this is international arena so they should be prepared to play on every condition irrespective of which is more favorable conditions for them to play.

Legendary bowlers such as Shane Warne and Muttiah Muralitharan bowled out opposing teams for less than 100 runs in flat tracks which offered hardly any support for the spinners. As far as I remember, Sri Lanka never prepared pitches like this one in any of the 133 tests which Muralitharan played. Because they thought that it was against the spirit of cricket. And back then, Sri Lanka was overly dependent on him.

Before the Ahmedabad test, there were five occasions where the test match ended in 2 days in 21st century. Out of that, four matches involved weak teams such as Zimbabwe or Afghanistan. The only other occasion was the match between Australia and Pakistan in 2002 (Sharjah), when Pakistan was bowled out for totals of 59 and 53 in a track which supported spinners (Warne took 8 wickets). Pakistan were the hosts, so they can't complain.

Ahmedabad test is the only occasion in 21st century, where a match between two equal-strength teams ended in two days. A lot has been talked about pacers getting undue advantage in SENA nations. But as I have posted above, all the two-day test matches of 21st century involved spinners destroying the opposing team, or lop-sided contests.

[JSRAW]

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Legendary bowlers such as Shane Warne and Muttiah Muralitharan bowled out opposing teams for less than 100 runs in flat tracks which offered hardly any support for the spinners.

Source?? or it didn't happened. Historically English, Aussie, NZ, SA batsmen were never good player of spin, except few exceptions.
How many times Murli or Warne dominated Indian batsmen on spin tracks in India (As it is common believe that Indian pitches are heaven for Spinners? They must have been dominating force in India, right? Both Murli and Warne struggled in India badly. Murli succeeded to penetrate Indian defense only one time in India. The little success Murli got against the Indians were at his home turf, even there he failed to dominate according to his reputation. And Warne, well he never got any significant success against Indians.

Because of this reason Indians got tag of "Good players of spin". Although current batch is not good as it used to be. Because i have noticed them getting knocked out against the part timers in every format couple of times. Root's recent performance with the ball is another add on in that list.

As far as I remember, Sri Lanka never prepared pitches like this one in any of the 133 tests which Muralitharan played. Because they thought that it was against the spirit of cricket. And back then, Sri Lanka was overly dependent on him.

Wrong, Sri Lankan pitches were spin friendly wickets even in ODI, let alone Test format.

Before the Ahmedabad test, there were five occasions where the test match ended in 2 days in 21st century. Out of that, four matches involved weak teams such as Zimbabwe or Afghanistan. The only other occasion was the match between Australia and Pakistan in 2002 (Sharjah), when Pakistan was bowled out for totals of 59 and 53 in a track which supported spinners (Warne took 8 wickets). Pakistan were the hosts, so they can't complain.

Ahmedabad test is the only occasion in 21st century, where a match between two equal-strength teams ended in two days. A lot has been talked about pacers getting undue advantage in SENA nations. But as I have posted above, all the two-day test matches of 21st century involved spinners destroying the opposing team, or lop-sided contests.

let's Check Pink ball D/N game history and judge, Shall we?

We have data of 16 pink ball tests.
-India (Kolkatta and Ahmadabad)
* Ind vs Ban - 2 days
* Ind vs Eng - 2 days

-Australia (Adelaide)
* Aus vs NZ - 3 days
* Aus vs SA - 3.5 days
* Aus vs Pak - Match went to 5th day due to Rain.
* Aus vs Eng - Match went to 5th day due to Rain.
* Aus vs SL   - 2.5 days
* Aus vs Pak - 3.75 days ( Match got over despite multiple rain delays)
* Aus vs NZ  - 3.5 days
* Aus vs Ind - 2.5 days

Pakistan (Dubai)
* Pak vs WI - 5 days
* Pak vs SL - 5 days (first hour of 5th day)

England (Birmingham)
* Eng vs WI - 2.5 days ( despite rain delay)

South Africa (Port Elizabeth)
* SA vs Zim - 2 days

New Zealand (Auckland)
* Nz vs Eng - 4.75 days ( 2 days washed out due to rain)

West Indies (Bridgetown)
* WI vs SL - 4 days ( Match got over in first hour of 4th day. Rain effected the first 2 days heavily, 3 sessions lost due to rain)

Source :

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Day/night_cricket

Out of 16 games only 2 game went to 5th day without any delay. So I can make up only couple of things, which i already mentioned in my previous posts.
1. Pink ball concept is new for everyone so no one is familiar how it behaves and its going through experimental phase.
2. Ahmadabad pitch was not 5 day test pitch but it was not 2 days pitch either, batsmen from the both teams batted poorly and less shitty team won the game, as simple as that.

[bryant.coleman]

I don't understand the point in excluding Jasprit Bumrah for the squad for 4th test match. He is not a part of the T20/ODI squads, so there is no excuse to rest him further. And India should not become complacent here, as their slot for the WTC final is not yet confirmed. At this point I would have preferred going with an unchanged squad, rather than replacing Bumrah with Umesh/Saini/Siraj. This is a big match, and the team needs to realize that they can't lose it.

[ene1980]

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After the first match, everyone thought India would lose the series, and maybe the tug of war will begin with Virat Kohli's captaincy. But in the next two matches, India completely defeated England. I have not seen such a poor performance of England in Test format for a long time. But I think England will win the last Test match. And the series will draw

I think they are playing in the same ground and India needs to win the match or draw to get a place in the World Test Championship finals and we have already seen how the pitch behaves and there is no way we will see a draw in the match and India will be prepared to win the match and win the series as well as a place in the WTC finals.

[Vishnu.Reang]

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After the first match, everyone thought India would lose the series, and maybe the tug of war will begin with Virat Kohli's captaincy. But in the next two matches, India completely defeated England. I have not seen such a poor performance of England in Test format for a long time. But I think England will win the last Test match. And the series will draw

I think they are playing in the same ground and India needs to win the match or draw to get a place in the World Test Championship finals and we have already seen how the pitch behaves and there is no way we will see a draw in the match and India will be prepared to win the match and win the series as well as a place in the WTC finals.

There is no point in being defensive. You can't win a test match with defensive tactics. If you aim for a draw, then the opposing team may end up winning the match. So they should go for the kill, and aim for 3-1 series win. The pitch is expected to behave the same way and the England batsmen are struggling. Last time, they had the advantage of winning the toss. And imagine what could have happened if they lost the toss as well.

[onrise]

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After the first match, everyone thought India would lose the series, and maybe the tug of war will begin with Virat Kohli's captaincy. But in the next two matches, India completely defeated England. I have not seen such a poor performance of England in Test format for a long time. But I think England will win the last Test match. And the series will draw

I think they are playing in the same ground and India needs to win the match or draw to get a place in the World Test Championship finals and we have already seen how the pitch behaves and there is no way we will see a draw in the match and India will be prepared to win the match and win the series as well as a place in the WTC finals.

The match is held in the same ground not sure the reason for it, because could have had 4 venues like for 4 matches which is generally the case. And now we know that the test match might not last more than 3 days or max the result should be on the 4th day. Also winning the toss and might want to bowl first since Indian in second innings were completely batting in a different way than the first innings and were better in timing the ball as well.

[bryant.coleman]

The match is held in the same ground not sure the reason for it, because could have had 4 venues like for 4 matches which is generally the case. And now we know that the test match might not last more than 3 days or max the result should be on the 4th day. Also winning the toss and might want to bowl first since Indian in second innings were completely batting in a different way than the first innings and were better in timing the ball as well.

It is due to COVID 19 restrictions. The BCCI thought that it will be easier to set up bio-secure bubbles, in case the matches are held in two venues instead of four. So we had Chennai hosting the first two matches and Ahmedabad getting selected for the last two. The other state associations may be unhappy about it. Because normally the hosting rights are decided on a rotational basis among the 38 member associations of the BCCI.

BTW, I don't think that the team winning the toss would elect to bowl first (unless the pitch is different from what we are expecting). That would mean that they need to bat on 4th innings. If the pitch behaves like a minefield, then it will be almost impossible to bat on 4th and 5th day (if the match actually last that long). So I guess the team winning the toss will decide to bat first, as have been the case so far.