Test Cricket Prediction and Discussion Thread [self - mod]

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If we take the financial aspect, then Shakib earns a lot more from franchise T20 leagues when compared to what he earns by playing for the Bangladesh national team. And along with Mustafizur Rahman, he was one of the top performing Bangladeshi players in the IPL. He is not going to lose anything if he announces his international retirement. Anyway, already he has been banned twice by the BCB, and they may also be happy about it. But the big question is whether anyone can replace Shakib in the national squad without weakening it.

There is no one in the the Bangladesh line up that could replace Shakib Al Hasan because he is a world class player that will fit in any team and he is best that Bangladesh ever produced and to replace him is a huge task. Yes he made money and even if he retires now he will be well off with playing franchise cricket until he is performing at the top but the fans might turn against him as Bangladesh have die hard fans.

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[Vishnu.Reang]

There is no one in the the Bangladesh line up that could replace Shakib Al Hasan because he is a world class player that will fit in any team and he is best that Bangladesh ever produced and to replace him is a huge task. Yes he made money and even if he retires now he will be well off with playing franchise cricket until he is performing at the top but the fans might turn against him as Bangladesh have die hard fans.

Why should the fans turn against him? There is no doubt that the BCB has unfairly targeted their best player. Due to ego issues, the BCB bosses have targeted Shakib whenever they got a chance to do that. They have withheld his NOC, and have taken disciplinary actions without any basis. If he wanted, then he could have shifted to another country, and earned a lot more money. Anyway, his hot headed nature is not helping this either. Recently he created a lot of controversy during one of the Dhaka Premier Division Twenty20 matches.

[Iranus]

There is no one in the the Bangladesh line up that could replace Shakib Al Hasan because he is a world class player that will fit in any team and he is best that Bangladesh ever produced and to replace him is a huge task. Yes he made money and even if he retires now he will be well off with playing franchise cricket until he is performing at the top but the fans might turn against him as Bangladesh have die hard fans.

Why should the fans turn against him? There is no doubt that the BCB has unfairly targeted their best player. Due to ego issues, the BCB bosses have targeted Shakib whenever they got a chance to do that. They have withheld his NOC, and have taken disciplinary actions without any basis. If he wanted, then he could have shifted to another country, and earned a lot more money. Anyway, his hot headed nature is not helping this either. Recently he created a lot of controversy during one of the Dhaka Premier Division Twenty20 matches.

Bangladesh's cricket board management does not like Shakib Al Hasan. I don’t know why they dislike their best player so much. I think Shakib is always against corruption so maybe many people dislike him. Moreover, many times we have seen a lot of news about the corruption of the BCB. I think that could be a factor.

[lixer]

What is going on with the Bangladesh cricket team? It sounds like almost every senior player has got some issues with the BCB. We all know the case of Shakib al Hasan. He has spats with BCB from time to time and probably that was one of the reasons why he got very harsh punishments in 2014 and 2019 (when he was banned from playing). Sad to hear that Mahmudullah also faced the same issues. Why there is no protest against the BCB, if they are mistreating the players in a regular manner? I am 100% sure that the BCCI would not have the courage to take such actions against their best player.

I feel like players have started to realize that they no longer need to agree on whatever their board says. This started back when Australian players and the board had a dispute and some might even think that the punishment sanctioned to Warner and Smith was more a gruesome result of that.

The same is happening in Bangladesh cricket and Sri Lankan cricket, I think and to some extent, there are problems in South African cricket too because some good players have left for county cricket and I cannot imagine someone playing county when they have the talent to represent their country, players like Rilee Rossouw.

Shakib was banned because he was approached by a match-fixer and he failed to report it, which I believe was the right call from the ICC or BCB.

[bryant.coleman]

I feel like players have started to realize that they no longer need to agree on whatever their board says. This started back when Australian players and the board had a dispute and some might even think that the punishment sanctioned to Warner and Smith was more a gruesome result of that.

Well... this is strange. As far as I know, none of the other players protested when Warner and Smith were banned for ball tampering. IMO, the ban didn't made any sense. How can you ban two batsmen for ball tampering? Do you really want to believe that the bowlers had no information about it? Shakib's case is different. He was banned because he failed to report the approach by bookies on time. I always thought that he got a disproportionate amount of punishment. What made me suspicious was the fact that the ban came a few weeks after a well publicized spat between Shakib and the BCB.

[Swordsoffreedom]

I feel like players have started to realize that they no longer need to agree on whatever their board says. This started back when Australian players and the board had a dispute and some might even think that the punishment sanctioned to Warner and Smith was more a gruesome result of that.

Well... this is strange. As far as I know, none of the other players protested when Warner and Smith were banned for ball tampering. IMO, the ban didn't made any sense. How can you ban two batsmen for ball tampering? Do you really want to believe that the bowlers had no information about it? Shakib's case is different. He was banned because he failed to report the approach by bookies on time. I always thought that he got a disproportionate amount of punishment. What made me suspicious was the fact that the ban came a few weeks after a well publicized spat between Shakib and the BCB.

The issue of Shakib's ban surprised me. Because I have seen all the news related to this. After the BCB's conflict with Shakib, the BCB president informed the media about Shakib's crime. It is easy to guess from this that BCB knew about this matter. Then if BCB wants, they may reduce Sakib Al Hasan's punishment. But I did not see any interest of the BCB president in reducing Shakib's punishment.

[Vishnu.Reang]

The issue of Shakib's ban surprised me. Because I have seen all the news related to this. After the BCB's conflict with Shakib, the BCB president informed the media about Shakib's crime. It is easy to guess from this that BCB knew about this matter. Then if BCB wants, they may reduce Sakib Al Hasan's punishment. But I did not see any interest of the BCB president in reducing Shakib's punishment.

Shakib was banned because there was a delay in his part in reporting an approach from one bookie during the IPL. Now I don't understand the point in punishing solely him for this incident. He was representing an IPL franchise that was accused in match fixing. And the chances that the bookie could gain access to him without the knowledge of the franchise is minimal. In the end, Shakib got the blame for the fault of his franchise. The ban was decided by ICC, but the BCB offered him no support.

[JSRAW]

One bad news coming from England. Rishab Pant and one staff member Dayananda Garani tested positive. They are in isolation along with Back up Wicket keeper Saha, one young net bowler (not verified)and bowling coach Bharat Arun as 3 of them were in contact with Dayanand Garani (throwdown specialist).

Pant, throwdown specialist test positive for Covid-19

[Iranus]

One bad news coming from England. Rishab Pant and one staff member Dayananda Garani tested positive. They are in isolation along with Back up Wicket keeper Saha, one young net bowler (not verified)and bowling coach Bharat Arun as 3 of them were in contact with Dayanand Garani (throwdown specialist).

Pant, throwdown specialist test positive for Covid-19

I saw the news. But how many players have not been positive so far has not been confirmed yet. Those who interact with these two players have been instructed to stay in isolation for 3 days. It would be sad for India if more players were affected.

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Why should the fans turn against him? There is no doubt that the BCB has unfairly targeted their best player. Due to ego issues, the BCB bosses have targeted Shakib whenever they got a chance to do that. They have withheld his NOC, and have taken disciplinary actions without any basis. If he wanted, then he could have shifted to another country, and earned a lot more money. Anyway, his hot headed nature is not helping this either. Recently he created a lot of controversy during one of the Dhaka Premier Division Twenty20 matches.

I am not sure about the reason when they started the issue with BCB and Shakib Al Hasan but i came to know when he was banned about a charge a few years ago and he might not be a good character in their books because of his personality and and not listening to them and he is getting offers from other franchise boards when they are having matches and may be that is the reason

[Vishnu.Reang]

One bad news coming from England. Rishab Pant and one staff member Dayananda Garani tested positive. They are in isolation along with Back up Wicket keeper Saha, one young net bowler (not verified)and bowling coach Bharat Arun as 3 of them were in contact with Dayanand Garani (throwdown specialist).

Pant, throwdown specialist test positive for Covid-19

This is not a good sign. It looks like the COVID situation in England is once again worsening. I am quite surprised, because they have achieved more than 60% vaccination. The Delta variant seems to be resistant to the vaccines to some degree, and that is probably causing the spike in England. But my biggest worry is that once again the matches will be called off and we will be having a situation similar to what happened in 2020. Already many of the bilateral series have been postponed. If there is any more disruption, then these matches will be called off.

[JSRAW]

ECB saying that you have to live with the covid and they are not going to force English players in bio bubbles any more so i don't think they are in mood of cancelling the tour, even remotely. They quickly changed their full squad against the Pakistan when their players got infected in recent ODI series, this tells you their approach. On the other hand if more Indian players tests positive then situation could get bit tricky as all back up players are playing in the Sri Lanka.

[Juggy777]

ECB saying that you have to live with the covid and they are not going to force English players in bio bubbles any more so i don't think they are in mood of cancelling the tour, even remotely. They quickly changed their full squad against the Pakistan when their players got infected in recent ODI series, this tells you their approach. On the other hand if more Indian players tests positive then situation could get bit tricky as all back up players are playing in the Sri Lanka.

@JSRAW I feel that ECB is setting a correct example as we can no longer cancel matches or events because of covid, we need to live with it and take proper precautions.

Furthermore if more player’s test positive then team India will have to field player’s who haven’t played international cricket, or withdraw their player’s from Srilanka and I hope it doesn’t come to that because I don’t want anyone to get covid.

[JSRAW]

ECB saying that you have to live with the covid and they are not going to force English players in bio bubbles any more so i don't think they are in mood of cancelling the tour, even remotely. They quickly changed their full squad against the Pakistan when their players got infected in recent ODI series, this tells you their approach. On the other hand if more Indian players tests positive then situation could get bit tricky as all back up players are playing in the Sri Lanka.

@JSRAW I feel that ECB is setting a correct example as we can no longer cancel matches or events because of covid, we need to live with it and take proper precautions.

Furthermore if more player’s test positive then team India will have to field player’s who haven’t played international cricket, or withdraw their player’s from Srilanka and I hope it doesn’t come to that because I don’t want anyone to get covid.

Well, they clearly stated that there would be no strict bio bubble for the series. Worst case scenario, what would happen if players get infected with the covid because they would go out sometimes as there is no bio secure protocol.  Fingers cross, hope everything goes well.

[Sithara007]

Well, they clearly stated that there would be no strict bio bubble for the series. Worst case scenario, what would happen if players get infected with the covid because they would go out sometimes as there is no bio secure protocol.  Fingers cross, hope everything goes well.

Players got infected even with the strict bio-bubble during the IPL. So you can imagine what would be the case in case the restrictions are not there. And a few days before testing positive, Rishabh Pant had posted pictures of him at the Wimbledon, without any social distancing or mask. Indian players, as usual is taking the England tour as a family vacation and it can be seen from their performance as well.

[JSRAW]

^^ Atleast Ashwin voluntary opted to play in the county and performed well against Somerset, he ended up with 7 wickets in the match, more importantly he got game practice which was necessary. Other players should have take a cue from the Ashwin especially Bumrah, Rahane, Vihari and Pujara... But NO.

[Sithara007]

^^ Atleast Ashwin voluntary opted to play in the county and performed well against Somerset, he ended up with 7 wickets in the match, more importantly he got game practice which was necessary. Other players should have take a cue from the Ashwin especially Bumrah, Rahane, Vihari and Pujara... But NO.

They can always give the excuse that the calendar is already packed, or they can say that the bubble life is taking its toll. Anyway, most of these players are like permanent fixtures of the test playing XI, so they don't need to worry about getting dropped (unless Kohli is replaced as the captain) irrespective of their performance during the test matches. BTW, Hanuma Vihari played 3 first class matches for Warwickshire to prepare himself for the WTC finals. But unfortunately for him, he was not included in the playing XI.

[jostorres]

Atleast Ashwin voluntary opted to play in the county and performed well against Somerset, he ended up with 7 wickets in the match, more importantly he got game practice which was necessary. Other players should have take a cue from the Ashwin especially Bumrah, Rahane, Vihari and Pujara... But NO.

I don't have the exact information but from what I have learned about Indian Cricket, they don't allow all the players to participate in the foreign leagues, because they believe the players are already busy enough to play for other franchises. That's why we don't see Indian players in BBL or other top leagues.

Now coming back to county cricket, it might be possible that the BCCI didn't grant other players to play the county cricket and Ashwin was allowed because he only takes part in test cricket so they can allow him to work on his skills while Bumrah and other players play in other formats too.

[JSRAW]

BTW, Hanuma Vihari played 3 first class matches for Warwickshire to prepare himself for the WTC finals. But unfortunately for him, he was not included in the playing XI.

I didn't know about him, he was not part of the IPL too so guess he went to county.

Atleast Ashwin voluntary opted to play in the county and performed well against Somerset, he ended up with 7 wickets in the match, more importantly he got game practice which was necessary. Other players should have take a cue from the Ashwin especially Bumrah, Rahane, Vihari and Pujara... But NO.

I don't have the exact information but from what I have learned about Indian Cricket, they don't allow all the players to participate in the foreign leagues, because they believe the players are already busy enough to play for other franchises. That's why we don't see Indian players in BBL or other top leagues.

Now coming back to county cricket, it might be possible that the BCCI didn't grant other players to play the county cricket and Ashwin was allowed because he only takes part in test cricket so they can allow him to work on his skills while Bumrah and other players play in other formats too.

Yes, but only for T-20 Franchise type leagues.

No BCCI doesn't have much say if players want to play in County (if they are free). In fact BCCI encourage players to visit there and this tradition is at least 50-70 years old.

[bryant.coleman]

Yes, but only for T-20 Franchise type leagues.

No BCCI doesn't have much say if players want to play in County (if they are free). In fact BCCI encourage players to visit there and this tradition is at least 50-70 years old.

Even for county cricket, getting the NOC from the BCCI has been a hassle these days. They believe that if the Indian players play in foreign domestic competitions, then their value will get diluted. And I can't really blame them. These Indian players hardly ever play in the Indian domestic competition. So the BCCI may not be happy when they apply for county stints. BTW, the last time India had a domestic 4-day competition was in 2019. After that, the Ranji trophy was cancelled for two successive years because of CoVID 19.