Test Cricket Prediction and Discussion Thread [self - mod]

[Sithara007]

It's time that we stop blaming captain for the losses. If a team loses, the whole team is responsible and not just the captain.

Think of the contribution of Kohli in ODI, t20 and test matches, before thinking of replacing him. I think India need aggressive captain like Kohli who can take bold decisions.

If the captain is responsible for the loss, then he should be blamed. Kohli has enjoyed some sort of immunity from criticism for too long and time has come to stop this. And here, his part in this defeat is much larger because he dictates everything nowadays, starting from team schedule to team selection. His arrogant behavior in the field is making it difficult for a lot of fans to support the Indian team. He is a great player and perhaps the best performing Indian batsmen in SENA conditions. But that doesn't make him the best captain.

[JSRAW]

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More importantly Ravi Shastri need to go for good. His contract ending after T-20 WC, hope BCCI find some one else after that. Not sure about Test captaincy but in limited over (esp T-20) cricket Kohli is shit as captain.

I thought Ravi Shastri would be replaced after India folded for 36 runs in Australia and when Kohli left to India after that match no one gave a chance for India to win any matches let alone win the series and India changed history and went on to win a Test series in Australia and that cemented the place of Ravi Shastri as well and one loss in WTC final will make any changes and i feel like India will perform better against England and silence everyone about these replacement  .

Nah BCCI avoid breaking the contract with the staff, his contract is about to end soon anyway so i'm hoping that they might replace him.

There is a possibility of India winning or performing better against the England in upcoming series because England batting is inexperienced and mostly depends on Root and Stokes. Opener Rory burns made some runs and looks in good form but i'm not expecting big innings from him against India. New guy Dan Lawrence looks dangerous tho. Again our bowlers need to repeat last tour performance and more importantly clean up the English tail, their tail made the big difference last time.

Coach and Captain never take responsibility whenever team lose but they are first to lash out on every sane voices when they win. So problem is accountability. How many times they can get away with -One bad session- bad 30 minutes- conditions- or other excuses? Having said that i'm still in favor of Kohli as far as test cricket captaincy goes (not ODI -T-20) but not in favor of Shashtri.

[LittleBitFunny]

It's time that we stop blaming captain for the losses. If a team loses, the whole team is responsible and not just the captain.

Think of the contribution of Kohli in ODI, t20 and test matches, before thinking of replacing him. I think India need aggressive captain like Kohli who can take bold decisions.

If the captain is responsible for the loss, then he should be blamed. Kohli has enjoyed some sort of immunity from criticism for too long and time has come to stop this. And here, his part in this defeat is much larger because he dictates everything nowadays, starting from team schedule to team selection. His arrogant behavior in the field is making it difficult for a lot of fans to support the Indian team. He is a great player and perhaps the best performing Indian batsmen in SENA conditions. But that doesn't make him the best captain.

He will be the captain as long as the BCCI deems Virat Kohli suitable for the Indian team. Virat Kohli will not leave the captaincy for our criticism. At this moment, it will be appropriate to select a different captain in 3 formats. Because, although Kohli is not an experienced captain like Dhoni, he is an average quality captain. He has the ability to lead India in the ODI format. It is a bit difficult to give a lead to a team in Test format.

[Haunebu]

His arrogant behavior in the field is making it difficult for a lot of fans to support the Indian team. He is a great player and perhaps the best performing Indian batsmen in SENA conditions. But that doesn't make him the best captain.

I do agree that Kohli is an arrogant player, but he doesn't cross the line these days since he matured a lot ever since he took up captaincy. He should be blamed along with the rest of the team for the loss.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/cricket/he-made-a-mistake-but-why-blame-virat-alone-former-india-batsman-defends-kohli-says-all-batters-looked-vulnerable-101624674213974.html

As I mentioned earlier, Kohli sucks at winning big ICC tournaments and that is a fact at this point which is why the Indian team needs separate captains for separate formats.

[pakhitheboss]

Apart from being arrogant, he is also jinxed, every important tournament final he has lost yet he still comes out on the field as if he is the only crusader for team India. I do not know what his problem is but he thinks he is the one 

Not sure which player can replace this guy as a captain but Rohit Sharma would be my first choice.

Rohit Sharma is even more arrogant when compared to Kohli. But in his case at least we can say that he know how to behave in public, unlike Kohli who behave like a baboon in the field. The same is the case with the other potential options, such as Rishabh Pant and Hardik Pandya. Anyway, until Kohli retires from the game (that may happen after 7-8 years), there is no chance that someone else will come up as the permanent captain in any of the three formats. Kohli will never resign by himself, and no one else have the courage to demand that he should step down. 

A few shitty performance in batting and few over confident actions as a captain and he will be forced to resign. But, first that baboon shastri need to leave the team. It is because of him this guy is still being retained by the BCCI.

[ene1980]

Rohit Sharma is even more arrogant when compared to Kohli. But in his case at least we can say that he know how to behave in public, unlike Kohli who behave like a baboon in the field. The same is the case with the other potential options, such as Rishabh Pant and Hardik Pandya.

Does this even matter, all it takes is their performance in the field, what they do outside is their personal space and if someone tries to evade that then do not expect good things  .

Anyway, until Kohli retires from the game (that may happen after 7-8 years), there is no chance that someone else will come up as the permanent captain in any of the three formats. Kohli will never resign by himself, and no one else have the courage to demand that he should step down. 

Virat Kohli is 32 years of age and to play for the next 7 to 8 years he needs to maintain his fitness and form which is a really hard task once you cross 34 years of age, there is a possibility that Rohit Sharma could handle the T20 captaincy as he is a better captain in the shorter format from what i have seen from IPL performance.

[Swordsoffreedom]

Apart from being arrogant, he is also jinxed, every important tournament final he has lost yet he still comes out on the field as if he is the only crusader for team India. I do not know what his problem is but he thinks he is the one 

Not sure which player can replace this guy as a captain but Rohit Sharma would be my first choice.

Rohit Sharma is even more arrogant when compared to Kohli. But in his case at least we can say that he know how to behave in public, unlike Kohli who behave like a baboon in the field. The same is the case with the other potential options, such as Rishabh Pant and Hardik Pandya. Anyway, until Kohli retires from the game (that may happen after 7-8 years), there is no chance that someone else will come up as the permanent captain in any of the three formats. Kohli will never resign by himself, and no one else have the courage to demand that he should step down. 

A few shitty performance in batting and few over confident actions as a captain and he will be forced to resign. But, first that baboon shastri need to leave the team. It is because of him this guy is still being retained by the BCCI.

There is no reason to think that India has batted badly, anything can happen when two first tier teams play against each other. India lost all their wickets for 217 in the first innings, while New Zealand lost all their wickets for 249. Although India had a chance to draw. They could have played better in the second inning. But the Indian batsmen could not stand in front of Southee and Boult's extraordinary pace bowling.

[Mahdirakib]

There is no reason to think that India has batted badly, anything can happen when two first tier teams play against each other. India lost all their wickets for 217 in the first innings, while New Zealand lost all their wickets for 249. Although India had a chance to draw. They could have played better in the second inning. But the Indian batsmen could not stand in front of Southee and Boult's extraordinary pace bowling.

India hasn't batted badly? Actually Indian batsman haven't played with proper responsibility. Their performance was really bad in second innings. New Zealand pace bowler was able to swing their bowl perfectly. While Indian pace bowler wasn't able to swing their bowl like Kiwis bowler. Indian team is familiar for their best batting lineup but they was unable to show it in front of Kiwis bowler.

[SaShiRaJaVu]

There is no reason to think that India has batted badly, anything can happen when two first tier teams play against each other. India lost all their wickets for 217 in the first innings, while New Zealand lost all their wickets for 249. Although India had a chance to draw. They could have played better in the second inning. But the Indian batsmen could not stand in front of Southee and Boult's extraordinary pace bowling.

From 62 for no loss in the first innings to 217 all out and 170 all out in the second innings and there is no reason to think that India batted badly  . These are extraordinary performance by the New Zealand bowlers and the Indian batsman did not do anything to win the match  .
If the Indian batsman could have played for half hour longer they could have saved the match.

[Sithara007]

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If the Indian batsman could have played for half hour longer they could have saved the match.

Spot on!

Just surviving another 6-7 overs could have done the trick. But did any of the Indian batsmen showed patience out there, apart from Pujara and Rahane? Starting from Virat Kohli, everyone was treating the second innings as some sort of a T20 match. I might have watched the highlights of the second innings at least a dozen times. It really irritates me that most of the batsmen got out playing unwanted shots. Showing aggression is OK. But for that you don't need to lash out at each and every ball. The way Pant and Ashwin got out was just shocking.

[FIFA worldcup]

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If the Indian batsman could have played for half hour longer they could have saved the match.

Spot on!

Just surviving another 6-7 overs could have done the trick. But did any of the Indian batsmen showed patience out there, apart from Pujara and Rahane? Starting from Virat Kohli, everyone was treating the second innings as some sort of a T20 match. I might have watched the highlights of the second innings at least a dozen times. It really irritates me that most of the batsmen got out playing unwanted shots. Showing aggression is OK. But for that you don't need to lash out at each and every ball. The way Pant and Ashwin got out was just shocking.

That was a poor performance from india on the day and it disappointed me. India should have shown more responsibility. They could have saved the match but i though all of the batsmen were looking over confident and there are no plan on how to go about in the 2nd innings.

[bryant.coleman]

That was a poor performance from india on the day and it disappointed me. India should have shown more responsibility. They could have saved the match but i though all of the batsmen were looking over confident and there are no plan on how to go about in the 2nd innings.

That is the current Indian team - always overconfident and arrogant. They refused to play warm-up matches and didn't took their opponents seriously. In the end, Virat Kohli has another loss in the final of an ICC tournament to his name. I want to know whether there will be any change in their attitude for the upcoming T20 world cup. I don't expect any, due to the culture of complacency that has developed over the past few years. There is simply no accountability. At least the coach should have been kicked out after such a pathetic loss.

[Swordsoffreedom]

That was a poor performance from india on the day and it disappointed me. India should have shown more responsibility. They could have saved the match but i though all of the batsmen were looking over confident and there are no plan on how to go about in the 2nd innings.

That is the current Indian team - always overconfident and arrogant. They refused to play warm-up matches and didn't took their opponents seriously. In the end, Virat Kohli has another loss in the final of an ICC tournament to his name. I want to know whether there will be any change in their attitude for the upcoming T20 world cup. I don't expect any, due to the culture of complacency that has developed over the past few years. There is simply no accountability. At least the coach should have been kicked out after such a pathetic loss.

I agree with you. The Indian team is very confident. It's good to be confident, and we should all be confident in ourselves. But the players of the Indian team are overconfident. They must have played a warm-up match before playing against a strong opponent like New Zealand. India's squad is very strong, but one must have an idea about the strength of the opponent.

[Vishnu.Reang]

I agree with you. The Indian team is very confident. It's good to be confident, and we should all be confident in ourselves. But the players of the Indian team are overconfident. They must have played a warm-up match before playing against a strong opponent like New Zealand. India's squad is very strong, but one must have an idea about the strength of the opponent.

Perhaps they didn't took the World Test Championship seriously enough? Although the name is "World Test Championship", in the media there was very little hype. It was played over a period of 3 years and didn't achieved a good viewership count in India. Perhaps for the Indian team, the IPL and the T20 World Cup was more of a priority. The bigger issue here is that the test format is witnessing sharp decline in interest from the fans, irrespective of all the desperate measures which the ICC is trying to put in.

[Haunebu]

The schedule for the next WTC is out very quickly people and it looks like NZ will begin defending their title in July itself. They deserve a longer break in my opinion.

https://www.insidesport.co/icc-wtc-2021-23-schedule-champion-new-zealand-to-begin-title-defence-in-india-virat-kohli-and-co-to-start-in-august/

India will kick off their campaign in August. We will have to wait until 2023 to witness the end of the 2nd edition of WTC. My random prediction is that Australia will win the 2nd edition.

[eaLiTy]

I agree with you. The Indian team is very confident. It's good to be confident, and we should all be confident in ourselves. But the players of the Indian team are overconfident. They must have played a warm-up match before playing against a strong opponent like New Zealand. India's squad is very strong, but one must have an idea about the strength of the opponent.

The COVID situation might have halted their plans on conducting a warm up match before the WTC final against New Zealand but from i understand from news media the BCCI has requested the ECB to conduct two warm up matches before the England India series that starts in August and hopefully they will conduct the warm up matches.

Indian bowlers were not in their best form during the WTC finals and a warm up match would have helped them to adjust to the line and length necessary for the pitch and climate situation.

[JSRAW]

The schedule for the next WTC is out very quickly people and it looks like NZ will begin defending their title in July itself. They deserve a longer break in my opinion.

https://www.insidesport.co/icc-wtc-2021-23-schedule-champion-new-zealand-to-begin-title-defence-in-india-virat-kohli-and-co-to-start-in-august/

India will kick off their campaign in August. We will have to wait until 2023 to witness the end of the 2nd edition of WTC. My random prediction is that Australia will win the 2nd edition.

ICC still made no changes in rules, which is kinda frustrating and not in favor of some teams. Some team still playing  like 2 test match series and some still going with old bilateral commitment which is 4-5 tests series;

for ex :

Ind vs Eng - 5 tests
Aus vs Eng - 5 tests
Aus vs Ind - 4 tests

Compare this with Kiwis upcoming series against India - only 2 match series

Are you kidding me? World Champion team still playing 2 games on away series on the other hand teams like Eng-Ind-Aus playing 4-5 games. In ideal world it should be same match series for every single team. At least BCCI could have given NZ 2 more tests but no they won't cause NZ market is not lucrative as Aus or Eng, disappointing.

[pakhitheboss]

That was a poor performance from india on the day and it disappointed me. India should have shown more responsibility. They could have saved the match but i though all of the batsmen were looking over confident and there are no plan on how to go about in the 2nd innings.

That is the current Indian team - always overconfident and arrogant. They refused to play warm-up matches and didn't took their opponents seriously. In the end, Virat Kohli has another loss in the final of an ICC tournament to his name. I want to know whether there will be any change in their attitude for the upcoming T20 world cup. I don't expect any, due to the culture of complacency that has developed over the past few years. There is simply no accountability. At least the coach should have been kicked out after such a pathetic loss.

I agree with you. The Indian team is very confident. It's good to be confident, and we should all be confident in ourselves. But the players of the Indian team are overconfident. They must have played a warm-up match before playing against a strong opponent like New Zealand. India's squad is very strong, but one must have an idea about the strength of the opponent.

It seems you are comparing the team with the captain. The Indian team is confident but the captain of Indian team is over confident😁😁. There is nothing wrong in being confident, being over confident is always an issue. I won't compare every format with the test series for the Indian team but, I think the team has an arrogant captain. .

[Vaskiy]

That was a poor performance from india on the day and it disappointed me. India should have shown more responsibility. They could have saved the match but i though all of the batsmen were looking over confident and there are no plan on how to go about in the 2nd innings.

That is the current Indian team - always overconfident and arrogant. They refused to play warm-up matches and didn't took their opponents seriously. In the end, Virat Kohli has another loss in the final of an ICC tournament to his name. I want to know whether there will be any change in their attitude for the upcoming T20 world cup. I don't expect any, due to the culture of complacency that has developed over the past few years. There is simply no accountability. At least the coach should have been kicked out after such a pathetic loss.

I agree with you. The Indian team is very confident. It's good to be confident, and we should all be confident in ourselves. But the players of the Indian team are overconfident. They must have played a warm-up match before playing against a strong opponent like New Zealand. India's squad is very strong, but one must have an idea about the strength of the opponent.

It seems you are comparing the team with the captain. The Indian team is confident but the captain of Indian team is over confident😁😁. There is nothing wrong in being confident, being over confident is always an issue. I won't compare every format with the test series for the Indian team but, I think the team has an arrogant captain. .

We can't term it to be arrogance. From my view I find the captain lacking confidence. I state this based on the experience on watching the Indian cricket on different matches. In close matches the captain used to bite the nails and he'll be in complete burning

[ene1980]

The schedule for the next WTC is out very quickly people and it looks like NZ will begin defending their title in July itself. They deserve a longer break in my opinion.

India will kick off their campaign in August. We will have to wait until 2023 to witness the end of the 2nd edition of WTC. My random prediction is that Australia will win the 2nd edition.

So every two years we will be having a Test championship and a single match format is fine as long as we get the results and we do not want to see any team sharing the trophy. Australia is not performing like they used to in the past, even India came with a weak team and defeated them in their home grounds and they need to play aggressive cricket they used to play in the past, i give England the chance but it all depends upon where the final is conducted.