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August 31, 2014, 09:08:45 PM
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Otherwise what was the point in changing one regime for another?
Majority of ukrainian citizens doesn't care about logic too much. 1991-1994-2005-2010-2014... It's a kind of tradition already, something like new year or easter... So, this new regime will be overthrown just as usual.


Sometimes I wish Siberia would hurry up and run out of gas and all of those other natural resources that the ungrateful Russians don't deserve.

Of course, I also wish that on the US and the Middle East, but dreams are free.

Ungrateful Russians? Hmm... What do you mean actually? To whom should they be grateful? I guess, in your dreams they should be supplying gas and other natural resources to Ukraine (and Europe for that matter) for free?

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August 31, 2014, 09:15:38 PM
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Otherwise what was the point in changing one regime for another?
Majority of ukrainian citizens doesn't care about logic too much. 1991-1994-2005-2010-2014... It's a kind of tradition already, something like new year or easter... So, this new regime will be overthrown just as usual.


Sometimes I wish Siberia would hurry up and run out of gas and all of those other natural resources that the ungrateful Russians don't deserve.

Of course, I also wish that on the US and the Middle East, but dreams are free.

Ungrateful Russians? Hmm... What do you mean actually? To whom should they be grateful? I guess, in your dreams they should be supplying gas and other natural resources to Ukraine (and Europe for that matter) for free?
I guess they should be grateful for european democracy... But hold on, who told him that democracy and constitution were invented in western europe?  Shocked There were the democracy and mixed government in the Republic of Novgorod since 1136... Before any modern western european state established a democratic republic as stable form of government. So who should be grateful for the democracy?  Grin
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August 31, 2014, 10:51:04 PM
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Moscow lady's holding a sign "no to war with Ukraine". ruSSia these days in one photo



ruSSia|n military used cluster bombs in Shchastya, Luhansk rgn Ukraine




Battalion #Aidar captured soldiers of #Russian army 331st VDV regiment. 3 of captured prisoners were #GRU operatives -@lennutrajektoor

69 more #Donbas battalion soldiers break through from #Ilovaysk conflict zone Among them – 4 women.... http://fb.me/6IDrl9CGM

ruSSia|n BM-30 SMERCH Soviet heavy multiple rocket launcher. http://youtu.be/vAisg0_VfMs

WARCRIME: ruSSian kicking a Ukrainian POW with boot in the face. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LzwxIY

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August 31, 2014, 11:12:22 PM
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We are aware that ruSSia has sent its newest air defence systems, including the SA-22, into E. Ukraine

Ongoing Violations of OSCE Principles and Commitments by the Russian Federation and the Situation in Ukraine

http://osce.usmission.gov/mobile//aug_28_14_russia_ukraine.html

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August 31, 2014, 11:29:53 PM
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The moment, the Ukrainian ship explodes after being hit by the Russian jet.






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August 31, 2014, 11:33:13 PM
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im sick of politics
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August 31, 2014, 11:39:24 PM
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Russian paratroopers were killed during shelling of «corridor» with the ATO soldiers

In the convoy of the ATO Forces, which was cowardly shot at by Russian troops during the passage by the so-called «humanitarian corridor», were dozens of captured Russian paratroopers. Some soldiers were killed during the shelling. An aide of the governor of the Dnipropetrivsk region Boris Filatov wrote about this on his Facebook page.

«Russians gave a word of the officer that they will let them pass. But started to fire. The point is not even in the word. There were dozens of captured Russian paratroopers in our convoy, some were wounded. They were also killed. Russia, you can continue to be silent,» — he wrote.

Filatov assures that there were militants in the area where the convoy was passing, there was only Russian army there.

http://en.inforesist.org/russian-paratroopers-were-killed-during-shelling-of-corridor-with-the-ato-soldiers/

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August 31, 2014, 11:42:02 PM
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Russian troops storm the Luhansk airport



Ukrainian military had to leave village Georhiivka and retreat from the Luhansk airport.
Reports Ukrinform with reference to the leader of the organization «Just cause» Dmitro Snihiriov.
«Our military had to leave village Georhiivka, situated on route Luhansk — Krasniy Luch — Snizhne to avoid personnel losses.
Also a large part of the garrison, which was holding the Luhansk airport, managed to escape from the airport, which has recently been intensively shelled by Russian artillery.

Judging by the precision of the shelling, these are professional gunners of the armed forces of the Russian Federation. About a hundred fighters are blockaded in underground bunkers and give a desperate resistance,» — said Dmitro Snihiriov.
A large concentration of forces is noticed around town Lutuhino and near town Snizhne on the northern side of the river Severskiy Donets. Looks like in the near future we can expect the assault of these towns.

http://en.inforesist.org/russian-troops-storm-the-luhansk-airport/


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September 01, 2014, 12:46:58 AM
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http://stopwar.org.uk/news/ten-ways-you-can-tell-if-russia-has-invaded-ukraine-or-not#.VAPBstYhgYr


Ten ways you can tell if Russia has invaded Ukraine or not

Dimitry Orlov 31 August 2014. Posted in News   
Three times recently we have been told by the US, Nato and the Kiev government that Russia has 'invaded' Ukraine. Here's a guideline to help you make up your own mind.

Last Thursday the Ukrainian government, echoed by NATO spokesmen, declared that the the Russian military is now operating within Ukraine's borders. Well, maybe it is and maybe it isn't; what do you know? They said the same thing before, most recently on August 13, and then on August 17, each time with either no evidence or fake evidence. But let's give them the benefit of the doubt.

You be the judge. I put together this helpful list of top ten telltale signs that will allow you to determine whether indeed Russia invaded Ukraine last Thursday, or whether Thursday's announcement is yet another confabulation. (Credit to Roman Kretsul).

Because if Russia invaded on Thursday morning, this is what the situation on the ground would look like by Saturday afternoon.

1. Ukrainian artillery fell silent almost immediately. They are no longer shelling residential districts of Donetsk and Lugansk. This is because their locations had been pinpointed prior to the operation, and by Thursday afternoon they were completely wiped out using air attacks, artillery and ground-based rocket fire, as the first order of business. Local residents are overjoyed that their horrible ordeal is finally at an end.

2. The look of military activity on the ground in Donetsk and Lugansk has changed dramatically. Whereas before it involved small groups of resistance fighters, the Russians operate in battalions of 400 men and dozens of armored vehicles, followed by convoys of support vehicles (tanker trucks, communications, field kitchens, field hospitals and so on). The flow of vehicles in and out is non-stop, plainly visible on air reconnaissance and satellite photos. Add to that the relentless radio chatter, all in Russian, which anyone who wants to can intercept, and the operation becomes impossible to hide.

3. The Ukrainian military has promptly vanished. Soldiers and officers alike have taken off their uniforms, abandoned their weapons, and are doing their best to blend in with the locals. Nobody thought the odds of the Ukrainian army against the Russians were any good. Ukraine's only military victory against Russia was at the battle of Konotop in 1659, but at the time Ukraine was allied with the mighty Khanate of Crimea, and, you may have noticed, Crimea is not on Ukraine's side this time around.

4. There are Russian checkpoints everywhere. Local civilians are allowed through, but anyone associated with a government, foreign or domestic, is detained for questioning. A filtration system has been set up to return demobilized Ukrainian army draftees to their native regions, while the volunteers and the officers are shunted to pretrial detention centers, to determine whether they had ordered war crimes to be committed.

5. Most of Ukraine's border crossings are by now under Russian control. Some have been reinforced with air defense and artillery systems and tank battalions, to dissuade NATO forces from attempting to stage an invasion. Civilians and humanitarian goods are allowed through. Businessmen are allowed through once they fill out the required forms (which are in Russian).

6. Russia has imposed a no-fly zone over all of Ukraine. All civilian flights have been cancelled. There is quite a crowd of US State Department staffers, CIA and Mossad agents, and Western NGO people stuck at Borispol airport in Kiev. Some are nervously calling everyone they know on their satellite phones. Western politicians are demanding that they be evacuated immediately, but Russian authorities want to hold onto them until their possible complicity in war crimes has been determined.

7. The usual Ukrainian talking heads, such as president Poroshenko, PM Yatsenyuk and others, are no longer available to be interviewed by Western media. Nobody quite knows where they are. There are rumors that they have already fled the country. Crowds have stormed their abandoned residences, and were amazed to discover that they were all outfitted with solid gold toilets. Nor are the Ukrainian oligarchs anywhere to be found, except for the warlord Igor Kolomoisky, who was found in his residence, abandoned by his henchmen, dead from a heart attack. (Contributed by the Saker.)

8. Some of the over 800,000 Ukrainian refugees are starting to stream back in from Russia. They were living in tent cities, many of them in the nearby Rostov region, but with the winter coming they are eager to get back home, now that the shelling is over. Along with them, construction crews, cement trucks and flatbeds stacked with pipe, cable and rebar are streaming in, to repair the damage from the shelling.

9. There is all sorts of intense diplomatic and military activity around the world, especially in Europe and the US. Military forces are on highest alert, diplomats are jetting around and holding conferences. President Obama just held a press conference to announce that “We don't have a strategy on Ukraine yet.” His military advisers tell him that his usual strategy of “bomb a little and see what happens” is not likely to be helpful in this instance.

10. Kiev has surrendered. There are Russian tanks on the Maidan Square. Russian infantry is mopping up the remains of Ukraine's National Guard. A curfew has been announced. The operation to take Kiev resembled “Shock and Awe” in Baghdad: a few loud bangs and then a whimper.

Armed with this list, you too should be able to determine whether or not Russia has invaded Ukraine last Thursday.
How the US and Nato explain the invasion that isn't
Stop the War update

On 31 August 2014, the Guardian -- which has played no small part in the claims that Russia 'invaded' -- reported: "As Ukraine's president told an EU summit in Brussels that there were now "thousands" of Russian troops operating in his country, they had all but disappeared from view in the eastern town that has been the flashpoint for invasion claims."

The US and Nato have a new concept of war for this new kind of invasion that isn't, in which invading troops have "disappeared from view". The Washington Post explains: "Some have called the new approach 'hybrid war', a conflict waged by commandos without insignia, armored columns slipping across the international border at night, volleys of misleading propaganda, floods of disinformation and sneaky invasions like the one into Crimea."

So, that explains the total lack of evidence to justify the repeated claims that Russia has 'invaded' Ukraine. You can make up whatever you like about an 'invasion' as no one can know if it took place or not. Unlike the invasions by the US, UK and Nato over the past decade and more, for which there is plenty of evidence in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya and beyond.

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September 01, 2014, 12:47:10 AM
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The moment, the Ukrainian ship explodes after being hit by the Russian jet.


Pagan is not merely a troll but a special agent. His post is  a perfect example of disinformation, complete with a fake photograph (CGI again like the Pentagon pics?)


The boats were hit by artilery from the shore. Fortunately we have a video with sounds.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-08-31/ukrainian-coast-guard-attacked-near-russian-border-some-killed



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September 01, 2014, 12:47:42 AM
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And again russian military captured, who "accidentally" entered to Ukraine

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R19ukj7umlw#t=26

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All these propaganda about Russian soldiers in Novorossia is just to distract everybody that this is an American war because it is commanded by an American general which was fortunately wounded in a special operation.

General Major Key Randy Allen studied in the Reserve Officer Training Corps (University of Oregon). He was a navigating officer in the B-52 jet-powered strategic bomber’s crew and a pilot on the military transport plane. Kee Randy Allen took part in the Pentagon operations in SouthWest Asia, Balkans, and Afghanistan. Afterwards he worked in the US Ministry of Defense and the Headquarters US Air Force, Mobile Air Response Center (Deputy Commander-in-Chief), Directorate of Strategic Plans and Politics of the Joint Staff (Deputy Director for Politics in Western Hemisphere).


 According to the Haldelsblatt, the US has always failed in its wars since the Normandy landing and lost in all the rest like Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq, etc.


It lost the latest one. UKraine is a war of America & it lost again. This is its second defeat from the Russians after the Syrian War where Russian missiles stopped the American missiles bound for Damascus. The War which ended before it began.


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The moment, the Ukrainian ship explodes after being hit by the Russian jet.


Pagan is not merely a troll but a special agent. His post is  a perfect example of disinformation, complete with a fake photograph (CGI again like the Pentagon pics?)


The boats were hit by artilery from the shore. Fortunately we have a video with sounds.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-08-31/ukrainian-coast-guard-attacked-near-russian-border-some-killed



In this internet age, the old tricks are outdated. I actually found these disinformation offensive to our intelligence.

http://www.reddit.com/r/UkrainianConflict/comments/2f3h24/new_photo_appears_to_show_the_planes_turn_into/

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This is  a repost:

AMERICAN GENERAL WOUNDED & 3 OTHER AMERICANS KILLED IN NOVORUSSIA

American general was wounded, three officers killed by militia
Author: Ayre oт 1.08.2014, 22:01
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Slavyansk militants are conducting operations both inside their region and beyond its borders. Last night they shelled an all-road military truck GAZ-66 carrying a punitive troop of the Kiev junta. Militias are also fighting on the territory of Kharkov oblast (province). Shelling of the mechanized column with US military men has been their first major success.
This operation has been executed near the town of Izyum (52 km. to the north-west from Slavyansk). A reconnaissance and sabotage group of Slavyansk militants attacked a mechanized column of the US military instructors. Three US officers were killed. One of them allegedly was a woman – the fragment of a skull with bleached hair has been found on the spot. Besides, an American general Key Randy Allen who actually handles the punitive troops in Novorossiya was wounded. Taking into account that a sniper shot the US military adviser on the Mariupol beach on July, 30, already 10 of 180 US military men who had come to Ukraine were killed. Note that that the week has not ended yet.


General Major Key Randy Allen studied in the Reserve Officer Training Corps (University of Oregon). He was a navigating officer in the B-52 jet-powered strategic bomber’s crew and a pilot on the military transport plane. Kee Randy Allen took part in the Pentagon operations in SouthWest Asia, Balkans, and Afghanistan. Afterwards he worked in the US Ministry of Defense and the Headquarters US Air Force, Mobile Air Response Center (Deputy Commander-in-Chief), Directorate of Strategic Plans and Politics of the Joint Staff (Deputy Director for Politics in Western Hemisphere).


http://en.voicesevas.ru/news/yugo-vostok/2739-american-general-was-wounded-three-officers-killed-by-militia.html

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All these propaganda about Russian soldiers in Novorossia is just to distract everybody that this is an American war because it is commanded by an American general which was fortunately wounded in a special operation.

General Major Key Randy Allen studied in the Reserve Officer Training Corps (University of Oregon). He was a navigating officer in the B-52 jet-powered strategic bomber’s crew and a pilot on the military transport plane. Kee Randy Allen took part in the Pentagon operations in SouthWest Asia, Balkans, and Afghanistan. Afterwards he worked in the US Ministry of Defense and the Headquarters US Air Force, Mobile Air Response Center (Deputy Commander-in-Chief), Directorate of Strategic Plans and Politics of the Joint Staff (Deputy Director for Politics in Western Hemisphere).


 According to the Haldelsblatt, the US has always failed in its wars since the Normandy landing and lost in all the rest like Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq, etc.


It lost the latest one. UKraine is a war of America & it lost again. This is its second defeat from the Russians after the Syrian War where Russian missiles stopped the American missiles bound for Damascus. The War which ended before it began.




it's fun to see a desperation of ruSSian liars Cheesy

http://nvua.net/opinion/gelman/Voennyy-plan-Kremlya--9686.html

dude, probably V.Lukin are from gosdep?

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All these propaganda about Russian soldiers in Novorossia is just to distract everybody that this is an American war because it is commanded by an American general which was fortunately wounded in a special operation.

General Major Key Randy Allen studied in the Reserve Officer Training Corps (University of Oregon). He was a navigating officer in the B-52 jet-powered strategic bomber’s crew and a pilot on the military transport plane. Kee Randy Allen took part in the Pentagon operations in SouthWest Asia, Balkans, and Afghanistan. Afterwards he worked in the US Ministry of Defense and the Headquarters US Air Force, Mobile Air Response Center (Deputy Commander-in-Chief), Directorate of Strategic Plans and Politics of the Joint Staff (Deputy Director for Politics in Western Hemisphere).


 According to the Haldelsblatt, the US has always failed in its wars since the Normandy landing and lost in all the rest like Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq, etc.


It lost the latest one. UKraine is a war of America & it lost again. This is its second defeat from the Russians after the Syrian War where Russian missiles stopped the American missiles bound for Damascus. The War which ended before it began.




Since when generals goes to ground mission, and in a position that makes them vulnerable to be wounded and dead Huh
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All these propaganda about Russian soldiers in Novorossia is just to distract everybody that this is an American war because it is commanded by an American general which was fortunately wounded in a special operation.

General Major Key Randy Allen studied in the Reserve Officer Training Corps (University of Oregon). He was a navigating officer in the B-52 jet-powered strategic bomber’s crew and a pilot on the military transport plane. Kee Randy Allen took part in the Pentagon operations in SouthWest Asia, Balkans, and Afghanistan. Afterwards he worked in the US Ministry of Defense and the Headquarters US Air Force, Mobile Air Response Center (Deputy Commander-in-Chief), Directorate of Strategic Plans and Politics of the Joint Staff (Deputy Director for Politics in Western Hemisphere).


 According to the Haldelsblatt, the US has always failed in its wars since the Normandy landing and lost in all the rest like Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq, etc.


It lost the latest one. UKraine is a war of America & it lost again. This is its second defeat from the Russians after the Syrian War where Russian missiles stopped the American missiles bound for Damascus. The War which ended before it began.




Since when generals goes to ground mission, and in a position that makes them vulnerable to be wounded and dead Huh


That's just goes to show how low their IQ thats why they have been losing all their wars  Grin Grin
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over 400 injured ruSSian military are in St.Peterburg hospital now

http://olga-andronova.blogspot.com/2014/08/400.html

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Historic Ruble Low: Kremlin invasion of Ukraine sends Russian currency tumbling

Ordinary Russians are paying a high price for their president’s imperial ambitions in Ukraine: the Russian ruble has fallen to an all-time low against the dollar.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytIs8LY49m8&feature=youtu.be


tragedy of ruSSian Pskov airborne division

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQ2XRZoUfSo#t=294


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THE WEST LIED


SO WHO REALLY SHOT MH17 PLANE? IT"S NOT THE RUSSIANS BUT THE WESTERN INVESTIGATORS ARE NOT GIVING OUT THE RESULT OF THE INVESTIGATION FOR OBVIOUS REASONS


BUT a Dutch Professor already said SORRY to Putin
(the investigation was done in the Netherlands)


IT WAS THE WEST ITSELF WHICH SHOT THE PLANE

Powerless, we have to watch the Western countries led by the United States and accuse Russia of activities in which they are guilty themselves on a large scale. The systematic double standards is blameworthy. In Western countries, sufficient proof should be on the table before it can be passed a conviction. Condemning you for committing alleged crimes without irrefutable proof material, it is an extremely brutal and shocking state of affairs.


http://www.nieuws.nl/algemeen/20140814/Nederlandse-professor-zegt-sorry-tegen-Poetin-voor-schuld-geven-MH17


In the last days of what most call Anglo-American or Anglo-Zionist empire, the lies are being  exposed. I myself already exposed many disinformation here. Good, we need closure to start a better world

It was not only losing wars...it was not only getting bankrupt... it is losing its morality...




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