Donetsk, Kharkov, Lugansk - way to Russia.

[niothor]

No there are not. And again , we are talking about russia. Do you guys suffer from a genetic disease of whataboutism?

Then you have nothing to worry about, but this is how it is in Russia, I will email Assange, and let him know that Romania is safe, and he can run wikileaks(great project btw) there  
to get u up to speed, Julian doesn't leave apartment in UK and afraid of extradition at this point, so, Freedom of Speech?

Really , get some treatment.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism
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Do you realize that all you do is trying to talk ABOUT something ELSE.

We where talking about the 267 dead journalist killed in Russia! Freedom of press my ass.

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[niothor]

I am trying to keep the conversation with you.
so yes, 267 dead, harsh country, harsh times, no freedom of press, and something about your ass    

Ok. Then point made , discussion about this ended. And yeah my ass is still angry about what I had for dinner but that is offtopic.
Wouldn't it be so awesome when we talk about something to stick to it and not derail to "the others did it also" , "that country is worse" etc etc. ?


Just because the USA did a lot of stupid things it doesn't mean Russia now has to do a few also.
What is next? Should i go out and kill a few women because Jack the Ripper got away?

[Pagan]

Ukrainian Army Units Attempting to Evacuate from Ilovaisk are Attacked by Forces of the Russian Federation Despite Public Promises of Safe Passage

August 29. The humanitarian corridor for Ukrainian soldiers to leave Ilovaisk was shelled by Russian artillery. The corridor was agreed to by the DPR, after the public call from Putin for this corridor to allow Ukrainian forces to withdraw.

ZN.UA reported that as a result of the shelling close to 100 of Ukrainian from the 40th, 39th and 28th battalions and the 51th Volyn brigade from the Ukrainian Armed Forces were killed (estimated casualty figures quoted here have not yet been confirmed by any other sources — editor). Information about shelling of the corridor was confirmed by journalist Nazar Voznuk on 112 Ukraine TV channel.

“I am moving in the column of Ukrainian military, which is moving to the depth of the country. Today active engagement from the Russian army started. Last place where we could see them was the storage reservoir close to Rozovka. A column of the Ukrainian military group surrounded close to Ilovaisk was shelled. We do not know how many of the people survived, assumedly close to 20, but it is only from one group” — journalist tells.

“No corridor was given — situation tragic” — he added.

At the same time NSDC (National Security and Defense Council) has not confirmed information about shelling of the humanitarian corridor close to Ilovaisk. Speaker of NSDC Aleksey Lysenko refuted the information about hundreds of casualties due to shelling. He also stated that no further information about the corridors can be disclosed due to security needs of the military.

Ilovaisk became one of the hardest stages of Anti-Terrorist Operation in recent weeks. During the battles for this city Volunteer Battalion “Donbas” commander Semen Semenchenko was wounded, dozens of fighters of volunteer battalions “Donbas”, “Azov”, “Shakhtarsk”, “Dnepr” were also killed and wounded.

News material by ZN.UA.

http://burkonews.info/ukrainian-army-units-attempting-evacuate-ilovaisk-attacked-forces-russian-federation-despite-public-promises-safe-passage/







https://www.facebook.com/sotnja.krym/posts/683881391701383

[Pagan]

it is getting a little bit better though, you might not know it but since 2011, there were no political murders (only murders within Caucus region)
there is Alexander Navalny, russian opposition, he is good, a lot of leaks on many dirty politicians, many people support him, nobody is trying to kill him.... yet

not killed yet, only prosecuted

[myshownow]

I think your debates on alleged WEstern freedoms is outdated.

AS the US becomes increasingly fascistic and its Constitution increasingly violated, the discussion is moot because all these debates are harking to the past which lamentably is no longer existing. One good example of the lack of freedom of the press in the US is its mainstream media- it has become a propaganda piece of what the elite wants the masses to hear. Because the alleged prosperity has become another propaganda. One of 5 American children is in poverty and 47 milion are now on welfare but Americans are told they are prospering because the stocks are rising (which is manipulated by money printing to create the illusion something is moving, but the only things moving are the bank accounts of the top 1% while the population get poorer as shown by the dropping levels of consumption which just prove the people are becoming poor.

I think, these quibbles about freedoms and other pretensions based on WEstern conception is at the heart of the current events rocking the world. That each country is to determine its own ideals and way of life and create a multi-polar world not only based on the WEstern model. THe democracy organizations that promote these WEstern "ideals" are propagated by NGO's financed by WEstern countries themselves and they actually became an intrument of the  WEstern countries, particularly by the US, to subvert other countries.

Reading all these propaganda about so-called human rights in Russia is almost surreal because they could have been talking about the US too. Is it better to have a well-paid television personality spouting what are obviously lies (because you know the contrary evidence) and pontificating about freedom of the press in the US and lambasting other nations for having no freedom when obviously she had none? Hypocrisy has become the Western standard lately. BTW, the American mainstream press is owned by only 6 Jewish-controlled corporations. The "democracy" organizations in Eastern Europe is financed by George Soros, another Jewish American bilionaire, whose exploits in producing color revolutions in Eastern Europe through his NGO's are well-covered by the American mainstream press (point of pride of exploits, obviously. I suspect, some of the data being spouted here came from their files.

But this debate is useless because it is no longer different in the US. Same banana, only in dissimilar scales.
But the world is changing. The importance of the UKraine drama is that it has become the Waterloo of WEstern pretension. It is saying the Westerners are bankrupt so they should give way to the emerging new prosperous countries to determine their fate.

The good thing is that Putin is succeeding. People in the West, tired of the lies & increasing poverty in the West, are actually supporting him. I am one.

[niothor]

it is getting a little bit better though, you might not know it but since 2011, there were no political murders (only murders within Caucus region)
there is Alexander Navalny, russian opposition, he is good, a lot of leaks on many dirty politicians, many people support him, nobody is trying to kill him.... yet

not killed yet, only prosecuted

Navalny has been arrested numerous times by Russian authorities, most seriously in 2012, when federal authorities accused him of three instances of embezzlement and fraud, all of which he denied.[6] In July 2013 he was convicted of embezzlement and was sentenced to five years in a corrective labor colony.[7][8] Russia's Memorial Human Rights Center recognized Navalny as a political prisoner.[9] Navalny was released from prison a day after sentencing.[10] The prison fine was suspended in October 2013.[11] On 28 February 2014 he was placed under house arrest for two months and prohibited from communicating with anyone other than his family, after allegedly violating travel restrictions.[12]

Pretty interesting.
If he was convicted why was he released?

In the evening after the sentencing the Prosecutor's Office appealed the sentence in the part which prescribed Navalny and Ofitserov to be jailed, arguing that until the higher court affirmed the sentence, the sentence is not valid. Next morning, the appeal was granted. Navalny and Ofitserov were released on 19 July 2013 awaiting the hearings of the higher court.[68] The prosecutor's request decision was described "unprecedented" by experts

Sorry but this was a mess. No legal system in this world works this way.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism

[Paya]

Current situation, pretty accurate I think:

[myshownow]

Navalny has been arrested numerous times by Russian authorities,

Navlny is still living in Russia but a court releases him despite his attacks while Snowden can't because the government can detain him indefinitely even without informing you of the charges


Ask the Guantanamo detainees

[niothor]

Navalny has been arrested numerous times by Russian authorities,

Navlny is still living in Russia but a court releases him despite his attacks while Whataboutism will be detained because Whataboutism is bad


Ask the Whataboutism prisoners.

Fixed that for you!

[myshownow]

Ask the Whataboutism prisoners.




Fixed that for you!

It won't work, my friend. You were taught to use that as distraction? Just like the labels (Anti-Semitism, Homophobia, etc) to censor a discussion?

Only for the low IQ. That is outdated, tell that to your master and change the script.

[myshownow]

The problem with Western propaganda is they can really recruit only the dregs while the intelligent ones would rather build a real career.

I think, the methods of the WEstern NGO's are already outdated, it's right about time to dismantle them as well.

Just look at this forum, LOL I wish they had the IQ to know how corny their methods are. Fit for high school

[Pagan]

About battle on Ilovaisk

Victor Tregubov

Haпocлeдoк pacпишy пo Илoвaйcкy. To, кaк вижy этo я и кaк мoгy peкoнcтpyиpoвaть этo я пo cooбщeниям o пepeдвижeнии вoйcк.
Cитyaция cлeдyющaя. Чтo плaниpoвaлocь изнaчaльнo?
Изнaчaльнo плaниpoвaлocь oкpyжить ДHP и ЛHP, пpeceчь пocтaвки opyжия и пpинyдить иx к cдaчe. Для этoгo тpeбoвaлocь oкpyжить ocнoвныe "ocтpoвки". B тoм чиcлe, Дoнeцк и Лyгaнcк.
Здecь нac пpeдмeтнo интepecyeт Дoнeцк. Bзглянитe нa кapтy, пoжaлyйcтa, этo вaжнo. Иcпoльзyйтe Гyгл-Кapты.
Bидитe шocce H21? Tpacca, кoтopaя идeт из Дoнeцкa пpямo нa вocтoк, пoтoм пoвopaчивaeт нa ceвep и дoxoдит дo Лyгaнcкa?
Фaктичecки, этo былa "дopoгa жизни" ДHP. Пoтoмy чтo c ceвepa, зaпaдa и югa ee вooбщe и Дoнeцк в чacтнocти oкpyжaли нaши вoйcкa. Чepeз этy тpaccy y ниx шлo cooбщeниe c Лyгaнcкoм и c poccийcкoй гpaницoй.
Haши пoнaчaлy пoпытaлиcь ee пepepeзaть, взяв Шaxтepcк. Иx oттyдa oтбили.
Toгдa нaши yдapили c югa и пoшли нa Илoвaйcк.
Лoгичнo ли этo былo? Пpaвильнo ли этo былo?
B oбщeм-тo дa. Лoгичнo и пpaвильнo. Ho лишь иcxoдя из тoгo, чтo poccийcкиe вoйcкa нe лoмaнyтcя чepeз гpaницy.
B этoм - нaшa cлaбocть. Mы вcю этy кaмпaнию вынyждeны paccчитывaть нa тo, чтo Poccия нe пepeйдeт eщe oднy гpaнь. Июльcкий "кoтeл" нa югe Лyгaнcкoй oблacти был вызвaн тeм, чтo нaши вoйcкa дoпycтили, чтo poccиянe нe нaчнyт пaлить чepeз гpaницy. Cooтвeтcтвeннo этoт, илoвaйcкий, кoтeл был вызвaн тeм, чтo нaши нe дoпycкaли, чтo poccиянe пoйдyт нa пpямoe, нeпpикpытoe втopжeниe.
Peбятa, пoймитe oчeнь вaжнyю вeщь: oни этo нe дoпycкaли нe пoтoмy, чтo дypaки, a пoтoмy чтo, дoпycтив вce этo, изнaчaльнo нe cтoилo pиcкoвaть и пepeть нa ДHP c ЛHP. A ecли бы и cтoилo, тo пpишлocь бы этo дeлaть бeз пoпытoк oкpyжить и oтpeзaть oт Poccии и дpyг oт дpyгa, пpocтым тyпым выдaвливaниeм c oгpoмными пoтepями. Bы бы caми им этo нe пpocтили. Bы бы caми кpичaли "вы чтo, идиoты, кyдa лoмитecь в лoб - oтpeжьтe иx oт гpaницы! Eжy жe пoнятнo...".

К cлoвy, ceйчac мы тoжe выcтpaивaeм oбopoнy, иcxoдя из дoпyщeния, чтo Poccия нe пepeйдeт caмyю пocлeднюю чepтy - нe пoлeтят caмoлeты, нe бyдeт выбpoшeн мopcкoй дecaнт, нe лoмaнyтcя тaнки чepeз Чepнигoв нa Киeв... Пoтoмy чтo ecли иcxoдить из этoгo, тo cтoит вooбщe вce cилы oттянyть пoближe к cтoлицe и ключeвым гopoдaм, зaбив нa вecь Дoнбacc.
Taк вoт, зa илoвaйcкий кoтeл. Пocмoтpитe eщe paз нa кapтy. Пocлe нeyдaчи пoд Шaxтepcкoм нaши пoпытaли yдaчи пoд Илoвaйcкoм. Eгo взятиe дaвaлo вoзмoжнocть oгнeвoгo кoнтpoля нaд тoй caмoй тpaccoй и oткpывaлo дopoгy нa Зyгpэc c вoзмoжнocтью взять нaд нeй пpямoй кoнтpoль. To ecть зaxлoпнyть ДHP. To ecть пoбeдить нa этoм yчacткe.
У нaшиx этo нaчaлo пoлyчaтьcя. Чepeз пeнь-кoлoдy, нo пoлyчaлocь. Дaжe кoнтpaтaкy coбcтвeннo cилaми ДHP зaнявшиe чacть Илoвaйcкa бaтaльoны выдepжaли.

И имeннo пoэтoмy - a тaкжe иcxoдя из тoгo, чтo пoд Лyгaнcкoм пpoиcxoдилo пpимepнo cxoжee c пoпpaвкoй нa тaмoшнюю cпeцификy, в Poccии былo пpинятo peшeниe пepeйти чepтy.
Eщe paз пocмoтpитe нa кapтy. Poccиянe лoмaнyлиcь c югa ecли cмoтpeть oт Илoвaйcкa - чepeз Aмвpocиeвкy и Кyтeйникoвo. Oт Дoнeцкa, пo мepe cил, выдвинyлиcь тeppopиcты (кaк я пoнимaю, чepeз Mocпинo). Цитиpyю Ceмeнчeнкo:
"A дaльшe yдapил вpaг из ceктopa Д, и пoтoм "oтoшли" пoдpaздeлeниe BCУ кoтopыe дoлжны были пpикpывaть нaм тыл. Heт, я yвepeн чтo тaкoгo пpикaзa y ниx нe былo. Oни пpocтo "oтoшли" и нeкoтopыx лoвили aж зa 150 км oт мecтa диcлoкaции. A пoтoм yдapил вpaг oт Hoвoaзoвcкa, a пoтoм yдapил вpaг из Mocпинo нa Cтapoбeшeвo. И мы пoпaли в oпepaтивнoe oкpyжeниe. ...."

Moжнo ли былo yдepжaтьcя? Boзмoжнo, мoжнo. Ho - oтдeльныe чacти, кoтopыe дoлжны были пpикpывaть иx нa тex нaпpaвлeнияx, тyпo дeзepтиpoвaли. Дa, oни бы вpяд ли иx cдepжaли - poccиянe лoмaнyлиcь кpyпными cилaми и c тaнкaми, a y тex былo лишь лeгкoe opyжиe. Ho шaнc зaмeдлить и дaть гpyппe из Илoвaйcкa oтoйти был. Былa кaк минимyм вoзмoжнocть пocтaвить пpикpывaeмыx в извecтнocть o cвoeм oтxoдe или пpoбитьcя к ним и oтxoдить вмecтe. Heт. Дpaпaнyли.
Tyт мeня oчeнь pyгaли зa тo, чтo я oбзывaл тex дeзepтиpoв нexopoшими cлoвaми. Moл, кaк вы мoжeтe.
Дa вoт тaк мoгy, кoтики. Зa пoгибшиx и oкpyжeнныx cкaжитe cпacибo вaшим гepoичecким гepoям, лoмaнyвшимcя в "oтcтyплeниe" aж дo Дeлятинa. He зaбyдьтe кyпить им тopтик и пoглaдить пo гoлoвyшкe.

Кaк бы тo ни былo, кoгдa илoвaйcкaя гpyппa нaчaлa вcepьeз paccмaтpивaть нeoбxoдимocть oтxoдa, oтxoдить yжe былo пoзднo. Пo мoим пpикидкaм, зaзop вpeмeни cocтaвил нecкoлькo чacoв. Moгy oшибaтьcя.
Дaлee нaчaлacь эпoпeя c "пoшлитe пoдкpeплeниe cpoчнo". Пoнaчaлy этo былo нe oчeнь peaльнo, пocкoлькy пocылaть былo тoлкoм нeкoгo - нaши, фaктичecки, пытaлиcь yдepжaтьcя вeздe, oт Cayp-Moгилы дo Hoвoaзoвcкa. Кoгдa нaши xoть чyть-чyть выpoвняли линию и пoдтянyли кaкиe-тo peзepвы, этo cтaлo нeocмыcлeннo c чиcтo вoeннoй тoчки зpeния. Пoтoмy чтo пoдкpeплeниe тoгo мacштaбa, кoтopoe нaши мoгли выдeлить, лишь пoпaлo бы в тo жe caмoe oкpyжeниe.

Teм нe мeнee, oпpeдeлeннoe пoдкpeплeниe пocлaть пoпытaлиcь - в тoт дeнь, кoгдa вoзниклa дoгoвopeннocть o "кopидope". Ho этo coглaшeниe былo нapyшeнo и - cмoтpи вышe - cнaчaлa пpи пoпыткe выxoдa пo "кopидopy" oни cлoвили apтoбcтpeл, a пoтoм пoпaли в oкpyжeниe вмecтe co вceми.

Peзyльтaт - paзгpoм илoвaйcкoй гpyппы.
Дaлee. Пpo ктo винoвaт.
Были ли кpитичecкиe oшибки кoмaндoвaния?
Oпpeдeлeнныe были. Ho нe тe, o кoтopыx ceйчac мнoгиe кpичaт. Ocнoвнoй oшибкoй былo тo, чтo нe былo coздaнo peзepвoв, cпocoбныx вoвpeмя cpeaгиpoвaть нa cитyaцию. Bпpoчeм, я нe мoгy pyчaтьcя, чтo иx былo из чeгo coздaвaть - пycть этo кoммeнтиpyeт тoт, ктo знaeт. Дpyгoй нeкoppeктнoй пpeдпocылкoй былo тo, o чeм я yжe пиcaл вышe - тo, чтo нe дoпycкaли, чтo Пyтин пepeйдeт чepтy. Ho этy дилeммy я yжe oпиcaл: дeйcтвитeльнo, ecли изнaчaльнo иcxoдить из этoгo дoпyщeния, вcю вoйнy нaдo былo бы вecти пo-инoмy (или, чтo вepoятнee, вooбщe нe вecти).

Oтдeльнaя тeмa - cтoилo ли бpocaть пoдкpeплeниe в Илoвaйcк дo 24-гo, кaк тo пpocил Ceмeнчeнкo. Boзмoжнo, пo лoгикe, нe дoпycкaющeй poccийcкoe втopжeниe, и cтoилo. C дpyгoй cтopoны, ceйчac yжe oчeвиднo: ecли бы тoгдa нaши пepeбpocили тyдa дoпoлнитeльныe cилы (имeннo в caм гopoд), в итoгe эти cилы пoпaли бы в oкpyжeниe вмecтe co вceми.
Boт. Ha иcтинy в пocлeднeй инcтaнции нe пpeтeндyю: я нe нa Бaнкoвoй и дaжe нe нa Pыбaльcкoм ocтpoвe cижy, кo мнe нa cтoл дoклaды paзвeдки нe клaдyт. Ho из тoгo, чтo я знaю, cитyaция выглядит кaк-тo тaк.

[Paya]

Rebel artillery dealing with Ukrainian forces blocked in one of the 'boilers'. Despite what some forumites claim, fact is that they were given a chance to go unharmed - but under one crucial condition: to leave their weapons behind, which they refused. Most likely because ATO commanding officers threatened them with prosecution for treachery. So they've got this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMfzZs53I_g

[myshownow]

The Ukraine fiasco  is just part of the covert shenanigans of the US around the world, creating all these wars and destruction that bites it back in the end.

From Zerohedge:


The Time Is Ripe For A False-Flag Attack On American Soil



Government engineered false-flag terrorism is a historically established fact. For centuries, political and financial elites have been sinking ships, setting buildings on fire, assassinating diplomats, overthrowing elected leaders, and blowing people up, then blaming these disasters on convenient scapegoats so that they can induce fear in the public and transfer more power to themselves. Skeptics might argue whether certain calamities have been proven beyond a reasonable doubt to be false-flag events, but no one can argue that such tactics have not been used by the establishment in the past. Governments have openly admitted to creating bloody and catalyzing tragedies under false pretenses, like Operation Gladio, a false-flag program in Europe supported by European and American covert agencies which lasted decades, from the 1950's to the 1990's.

Gladio utilized well-paid and trained rogue groups and agents as well as patsies, compartmentalized and controlled, who would commit atrocities against the European public. These atrocities would then be blamed on “left wing extremists”, galvanizing the citizenry and political representatives towards the false East/West paradigm. The superficial motivation given by whistleblowers was that Gladio was to be used to keep the right wing in power. However, the broader and deeper goal was clearly to manipulate Europeans into accepting a unification mindset, paving the way for the eventual centralization of Europe into the EU supranational block. Gladio, is only one well documented example of false-flag terrorism being exploited by governments to mold mass psychology towards greater collectivism.

It is therefore vital that the public question the legitimacy of EVERY so-called “terrorist attack” or geopolitical incident, otherwise, we may find ourselves duped into supporting wars and unconstitutional actions that only end up poisoning our society and elevating tyrants.

Why do I believe a new false-flag event is imminent? America has not suffered a large scale terrorist attack for over 13 years, after all. I can only say that current trends and international developments seem to be spiraling towards a breaking point; a kind of singularity, and if you understand that the majority of these events are deliberately engineered, then you also understand that the inevitable singularity (or primary disaster) is engineered as well.

The foremost current threat and most useful scapegoat is, of course, the ISIS insurgency in the Middle East. If one's source of information was the mainstream media alone, one might be inclined to believe that ISIS has materialized out of nowhere to become a menace so organized and effective it has eclipsed Al-Qaeda as the hot button boogeyman used by the establishment. ISIS is certainly a disturbing militant group that goes out of its way to play the villain, complete with scary Muslim clothing and beards, not to mention the severed heads and indiscriminate genocide. Where is Jack Bauer when you need him, right?

The cartoonish nature of ISIS is not accidental, but I can see why they frighten a subset of the American population; if I didn't know that they were funded by the U.S. and Saudi Arabia, with military aid from Israel, then I might find them a terrifying enigma as well.

ISIS leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi was held at a U.S. run detention facility called Camp Bucca from 2005 until 2009. Before his imprisonment, Baghdadi's friends and family reported him to be a “quiet, studious fellow who was also a talented soccer player”. Only one year after being released from U.S. detention, however, he was a fanatical Islamic extremist who would go on to command the ISIS caliphate. In 2011, the U.S. State Department listed Bagdhadi as a “Specially Designated Global Terrorist” with a bounty of $10 million. There is no public record as to why Baghdadi was originally detained.

Former U.S. Air Force security officer, James Skylar Gerrond, served at Camp Bucca while Bagdhadi was held there, and is quoted as saying "Many of us at Camp Bucca were concerned that instead of just holding detainees, we had created a pressure cooker for extremism." Indeed...

Let's look at the culmination of events that led to the current incarnation that is ISIS:

George W. Bush signed and Barack Obama enforced (sorry politifact cultists, but they are BOTH to blame) a new foreign policy framework which allowed the release of numerous (and now somehow radicalized) prisoners from facilities like Camp Bucca in 2009.

The Libyan civil war erupts, as “rebels” are aided by the CIA and multiple foreign governments. These are the same rebels who would ultimately participate in the Benghazi raid on a U.S. consulate/CIA complex.

Libyan agents along with CIA operatives move into Jordan, where they have been training Syrian insurgents for over a year (officially - much longer unofficially), and still train them to this day, despite the apprehensions of the Jordanian government.

Libyan insurgents along with newly trained operatives have also shifted into Syria, turning general civil unrest into outright war.

ISIS recently gave praise to one of its commanders, a man from Libya, who had fought in the Libyan civil war, and in Syria, and in Iraq.

The U.S. has been secretly arming and training ISIS extremists in Syria for years, but only at the end of 2013 and the beginning of 2014 did it begin a more open campaign to provide support.

The Israeli government also aided insurgent groups in Syria using airstrikes to cripple Syrian Government regional command centers. It is also currently providing medical aid to Syrian rebels.

It was insurgent Sunni majority groups, trained in Jordan and funded by Saudi Arabia that have linked with Saudi funded groups in Iraq to form what we now know as ISIS. These are NOT separate groups acting autonomously. These are U.S. backed organizations acting in concert, and coalescing into a single movement – ISIS.

Violent genocidal actions, mass executions, as well as torture have become the common calling card of the establishment organized Islamic insurgent groups. Despite this horrifying development, Barack Obama is STILL seeking over $500 million in aid to Syrian rebels, though the rhetoric now specifies that funds and arms will only go to “moderate and well-vetted” insurgents. As far as I can tell, there are no “moderate” insurgents in Syria; insurgents that are now moving into Iraq and bringing their distinct brand of barbarism with them.

On the Council On Foreign Relations website, the globalist think-tank argued that the inclusion of extremist Al-Qaeda elements in the Syrian insurgency “improved the moral” of the movement, stating that the “Free Syrian Army needs Al-Qaeda now”. The CFR acknowledges that the goal of Al-Qaeda operatives in Syria is not necessarily to overthrow Assad, but to establish an Islamic state. Despite this, the CFR still continues its support of the strategy to overthrow Assad.

In an absurd display of forced schizophrenia, globalist organizations along with the puppet White House now argue that the existence of ISIS in Iraq and Syria, the same ISIS insurgency THEY CREATED, requires the U.S. to execute air strikes and military intervention in the region. Of course, to remain “fair and balanced”, the White House proposes to strike Syrian Government targets as well in order to avoid “strengthening Assad”. Yeah, read that twice, folks...

Remember the Syrian crisis at the end of last year? Remember how the U.S. and Russia were on the verge of conflict over Obama's funding of the insurgency as well as his proposal to provide air support? Well, now the plan is to utilize air strikes against the same insurgents we had originally planned to help with air strikes.

Now, I have asked this question in the past, and I'll ask it again – Is it merely irony that the White House is going to war with the covert militant group it gave birth to?

No, it is not irony. It is planned. ISIS is the new and improved Al-Qaeda. All of the terrorist disaster scenarios showcased in propaganda shows like '24' that seem rather ridiculous to many Americans if plotted by Al-Qaeda goat herders hiding in caves in Afghanistan and Pakistan now become believable if plotted by highly organized and savvy ISIS operatives.

Don't believe ISIS is savvy? I don't either, aside from the CIA agents pulling their strings. However, DoD officials and others have been bombarding the mainstream media with one specific meme: ISIS is awesome!

Chuck Hagel, Department of Defense Secretary, has made statements claiming that “ISIL (ISIS) poses a threat greater than 9/11... “

"They're beyond just a terrorist group. They marry ideology with a sophisticated strategic and tactical military prowess and they're tremendously well-funded. This is way beyond anything we have seen. We must prepare for everything. Get Ready!"

U.S. Special Operations sources argue that ISIS is an “incredible fighting force”, acting more like a “state with a military” than a disorganized band of guerrillas. I would argue that ISIS tactics appear sophisticated exactly because they are receiving sophisticated direction from state funded covert intelligence agencies like the CIA.

Retired Lieutenant General Thomas McInerney recently revealed that he believed a new 9/11 event is looming, and I would like to note that even if this is true, the Neo-Conservatives are no more a solution to the problem than the Neo-Liberals.

Sen. James Inhofe (R-Okla.), the top Republican on the Senate Armed Services Committee claims that ISIS members are “rapidly developing a method of blowing up a major U.S. city...”

Governor Rick Perry of Texas (a Bilderberg attendee) claims that ISIS agents may have already crossed into the U.S. from Mexico.

In the meantime, Senators on both sides of the fake aisle are warning the Obama Administration that ISIS is the “best funded terror group in history”.

With all this hype circling ISIS, I have to suggest that maybe, just maybe, we are being given the ultimate scapegoat for the ultimate false flag attack. When building the narrative of a traditional story, the hero is really a secondary character, because the hero is only as impressive as the villain he must eventually defeat. If you look at mainstream media and geopolitics as a theater script, rather than a series of random events, it appears as though ISIS is being built up as a villain so pervasive and devious the group could accomplish ANYTHING.

I believe the time is in fact ripe for a large scale false-flag on American soil. It may be a singular attack limited to a city or region, or, numerous smaller attacks executed in concert. I see the media overload of ISIS fever as a means to condition the public to believe in the ISIS myth – the myth that they are a sophisticated international super-terrorist conglomerate; a real life Legion of Doom. If Americans are conned into buying this myth, they may also be fooled into abandoning their Constitutional liberties and natural freedoms in the face of a well planned attack blamed on ISIS elements.  I believe there will likely come a day when the mere act of exposing the lie or standing against government overreach will be called "treason", and people like myself will be labeled "no better than ISIS".

If an attack does take place in the name of ISIS, it is vital that Americans remember that this is not the violent invasion of a foreign army, that there is no Islamic enemy except that which our government created, that this is not some unexpected form of “blowback” from terrorists who used to be our allies, that this is an engineered attack by contracted employees of our own defense and intelligence apparatus leading a horde of useful psychopaths, and just like during Operation Gladio, the goal will be to terrify you and those around you into seeking out a more powerful, more centralized government authority to protect your security, to provide cover for the continued planned collapse of American society into third world status, and out of these ashes, the centralization of the political and financial foundations of our world into the hands of an elite few.


The Ukraine fiasco  is just part of the covert shenanigans of the US around the world, creating all these wars and destruction that bites it back in the end.

[Paya]

Could you two guys (Pagan and myshownow) please stop with copy-pasting walls of text from other websites? All you're achieving is to make this thread unreadable mess. Link with short description for those who might be interested should be enough...

[Pagan]

russian colonel and LDPR leader vladimir zhirinovsky believes that russia should annex Kazakhstan

http://inforesist.org/zhirinovskij-predlagaet-anneksirovat-kazaxstan/

putin said that Kazakhstan has never been a state

http://atn.ua/politika/putin-zayavil-chto-kazahstan-nikogda-ne-byl-gosudarstvom

[Pagan]

Bye-bye Boeing and Airbus, hello Ilyushin and Tupolev! 

http://www.themoscowtimes.com/business/article/what-planes-will-russia-fly-if-it-ditches-boeing-and-airbus-over-sanctions/506005.html

When is Russia switching to Volgas and Zhigulis? Let me know. I want to see that!     

[myshownow]

I just had a big laugh after reading the EU comedians are threatening sanctions again & even gave 1 week warning. LOL Insecure as they are for their diminishing status, that must have given them the excitement of appearing powerful.

Typical of delusional has-beens hungry for the  memory of lost past grandeur

The truth is they are bankrupt that's why previous sanctions rebounded on them when a simple counter sanction  was done by Russia. As Zerohedge said, a sanction on Russia means the US is actually strangling Europe because the effect will be worse on the EU (the 2008 depression was believed to have been engineered by the US to destroy the Euro which was gaining against the Dollar but the puppet EU can't work for its own interest because they are locked down by their elitist masters who benefit from the current arrangements though detrimental to the people)

This is interesting. But just the perfect vehicle to send the message these Western impostors are on the way out. Them giving a time frame of one week makes Putin looks like a school child, probably intending to make Putin look like a child and make themselves feel still the so-called Western powers

 The answer to this is for the Novorussian forces to attack Dnipropetrovsk next week then Odessa & Kharkov after that.

There's a new world and the bankrupt WEstern powers are has-beens. This is the perfect opportunity to make the statement

[Pagan]

The first page of the NYT on August 28, 1939. In 3 days Germany invades Poland and the WWII begins. 60 million of people dies.
This week, Putin invaded the south of Ukraine in order to establish a land corridor to Crimea. History is repeating itself.

[Rassah]

If there where so many why didn't they come out?

Maybe they are afraid? Plenty of frustrated, trigger-happy Ukrainian paramilitary nutcases are roaming the streets of Mariupol these days you know.

Did you pull that out of your own ass? Or out of Putin's ass?

How about giving people chance to decide? Referendum was request from the very beginning (there was one, but it was held in everything but regular conditions tbh). However, Kiev has been refusing even to think about it, and this denial is one of the key causes for what today looks more and more like a wide-scale civil war.

That was probably because by the time referendum was even brought up, Russia has spent so much time spreading sensationalist and fear-mongering propaganda around Ukraine that any referendum would no longer have been objective, and based entirely on lies. Remember that stuff about protesters in Maidan being mostly Right Sector? Or that Ukraine supports Right Sector and will elect Nazis to government? (when in actuality Nazis got less than 2% support) Russia even tried to hack Ukrainian voting machines to make Right Sector president win the election, with the virus thankfully discovered and stopped before elections took place, but since the IT people did not tell anyone about finding the virus, Russia accidentally reported that Right Sector won, by the exact amount the virus was going to make him win, and were caught put publicly.

So, sure, Kiev denying the referendum may have been one of the key causes, but Russian propaganda and lies was THE key cause that started it all.