Donetsk, Kharkov, Lugansk - way to Russia.

[deisik]

The NATO is not that stupid. The Ukrainians will stay (nominally) neutral, while the Moldovan army will invade Transdniestria with the help of Western European mercenaries. If Russia wants to attack Moldova in retaliation, they will have to transport their troops via Ukraine. And the Kiev junta will never permit that.

The Moldavian what? The Moldovan Ground Forces consists of a less than 6000 soldiers, mostly equipped with some cold war era gear. The transnistrian forces and the local paramilitary groups alone have something like 5-7000 soldiers. I don't believe that the Moldavian forces would be able accomplish now what they were unable to accomplish in 1992 when they had much more resources and manpower.

I think that after the fiasco of Georgian campaign in 2008 no one in their sober mind will directly attack the Russian peacekeepers in Transnistria (or anywhere else, for that matter). So the sheer military strength of Moldavia (Romania, Ukraine) is not relevant (since it will cease to exist in a matter of days, if not hours). Therefore, if it comes to an armed conflict after all, it would rather be a kind of guerrilla war...

But that's exactly the reason why the peacekeepers are there

[bryant.coleman]

I think that after the fiasco of Georgian campaign in 2008 no one in their sober mind will directly attack the Russian peacekeepers in Transnistria (or anywhere else, for that matter).

I disagree. The Georgian fiasco in 2008 just reminds us that NATO is not afraid to wage a war against Russia, through its proxies. I remember what happened in 2008. NATO provoked Georgia into invading South Ossetia, promising that they will support the Georgians (both financially and militarily), in case Russia retaliates. By the time the Georgians realized that they were just being used as cannon fodder by the NATO, it was too late.

NATO will do the same again. This time they will use the Moldovan army, instead of the Georgians.

The aim is not to defeat Russia militarily. (That is not possible even in a direct war between the NATO and Russia). On the other hand, they want to demonize Russia through the mainstream media sources. Gigantic Russia attacking minuscule Georgia will turn the world opinion against the former.

[deisik]

I think that after the fiasco of Georgian campaign in 2008 no one in their sober mind will directly attack the Russian peacekeepers in Transnistria (or anywhere else, for that matter).

I disagree. The Georgian fiasco in 2008 just reminds us that NATO is not afraid to wage a war against Russia, through its proxies. I remember what happened in 2008. NATO provoked Georgia into invading South Ossetia, promising that they will support the Georgians (both financially and militarily), in case Russia retaliates. By the time the Georgians realized that they were just being used as cannon fodder by the NATO, it was too late.

NATO will do the same again. This time they will use the Moldovan army, instead of the Georgians.

I guess the Moldovan army, having seen what happened in Georgia, will refuse to obey the order in case there should be such (to attack the Russian peacekeepers there). If you still have any scruples about that, look what happened to Ukrainian military in Crimea when they were confronted by regular Russian troops (not peacekeepers)...

Politicians in the safety of their boudoirs (sending troops to die) is not quite the same as soldiers in the trenches (who are to die)

[Snail2]

They are not stupid (that would be stupid to think so, in the first place), but don't forget that the Ukrainian junta are not "sui juris", in a sense. So they will be doing not what suits them best (or the country they allegedly serve to), but they will stubbornly pursue their puppet-master's interests before anything else...

Indeed, the puppet-master may look sincerely interested in his puppets well-being, but only as long as this meets his long-term goals and ends

I'm aware of that the current Ukrainian govt is acting like a provincial local government on behalf of the west, but they are a bunch of business man. They should be able to do some simple maths. Waging war or setting up and maintaining a blockade costs a lot of money and material but they are already overstretched their budget. In addition Russia can easily put even more pressure on them (and draw their resources) without a single shot just by amassing units next to the borders, and with the Greek drama getting out of control the EU not going to be in the position to finance the Ukrainian war efforts. Perhaps even in the States the hawks have to cut back on spending money on Ukraine as the elections are quite close.

[deisik]

They are not stupid (that would be stupid to think so, in the first place), but don't forget that the Ukrainian junta are not "sui juris", in a sense. So they will be doing not what suits them best (or the country they allegedly serve to), but they will stubbornly pursue their puppet-master's interests before anything else...

Indeed, the puppet-master may look sincerely interested in his puppets well-being, but only as long as this meets his long-term goals and ends

I'm aware of that the current Ukrainian govt is acting like a provincial local government on behalf of the west, but they are a bunch of business man. They should be able to do some simple maths. Waging war or setting up and maintaining a blockade costs a lot of money and material but they are already overstretched their budget. In addition Russia can easily put even more pressure on them (and draw their resources) without a single shot just by amassing units next to the borders, and with the Greek drama getting out of control the EU not going to be in the position to finance the Ukrainian war efforts. Perhaps even in the States the hawks have to cut back on spending money on Ukraine as the elections are quite close.

You don't consider the circumstances under which they came to power. It is ultimately not a question of how much money maintaining a blockade would cost them or anything of that kind. It is rather a question of their personal survival, literary. There is no law in Ukraine as we understand it...

Do you know that Yanuckovich barely escaped being shot down?

[bryant.coleman]

I guess the Moldovan army, having seen what happened in Georgia, will refuse to obey the order in case there should be such (to attack the Russian peacekeepers there). If you still have any scruples about that, look what happened to Ukrainian military in Crimea when they were confronted by regular Russian troops (not peacekeepers)...

If the Moldovan army refuses to fight, then they will organize some proxy paramilitary force comprised of neo-Nazis, just like what they did in Ukraine. Moldova is a very poor country, where the ordinary inhabitants earn an average of $200 per month as salary. Many will be tempted, if someone is willing to offer that much for a single day of fighting.

[deisik]

I guess the Moldovan army, having seen what happened in Georgia, will refuse to obey the order in case there should be such (to attack the Russian peacekeepers there). If you still have any scruples about that, look what happened to Ukrainian military in Crimea when they were confronted by regular Russian troops (not peacekeepers)...

If the Moldovan army refuses to fight, then they will organize some proxy paramilitary force comprised of neo-Nazis, just like what they did in Ukraine. Moldova is a very poor country, where the ordinary inhabitants earn an average of $200 per month as salary. Many will be tempted, if someone is willing to offer that much for a single day of fighting.

As I said, that's exactly the reason why the Russian peacekeepers are there, that is, to prevent guerrilla war, which had been fought there in 1992. If that nevertheless happens, Russia will have legal reasons, first, to increase its presence there, and, second, to disarm those paramilitary forces. Or exterminate them, if they decide to put up armed resistance...

[Nemo1024]

Graham Philips, as almost the only Western journalist in Donbass, continues to report about the local resistance against the American proxy war.

The following report is from the front-line near Marjinka. It's a resistance fortification, half-surrounded by Ukros, whose positions are only a few hundred meters away:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_A5MswFWTQ

One of the viewer comments there:

Пo любoмy влacть фaшиcтoв в киeвe бyдeт oтвeчaть - нeт никaкиx oпpaвдaний yбийcтвy миpныx житeлeй пpи ,якoбы пpoвeдeнии aнтитeppopиcтичecкиx oпepaций . Bceм пoнятнo ,чтo зa этoт aбcypд ,нaвязaнный из-зa бyгpa имeeт cвoй кoнeц и бyдeт нapoдный cyд

In any case, the power of the fascists in Kiev will have to be held accountable - there are no excuses for murder of civilian population during conduct of a so-called anti-terrorist operation. Everyone understands that this absurdity, that had been imposed from across the pond, has its end and that there'll be a public judgement/court.

Yes, the so-called "anti-terrorist operation" that has claimed lives of over 10000 civilians - women, children, elderly - and caused millions to flee, predominantly to Russia, for their lives from their ruined and bombed-out homes.

[galdur]

Yes, isn´t it strange how they flee in the hundreds of thousands to the territory of the so called "aggressor". A true historical rarity. 

[bryant.coleman]

Yes, isn´t it strange how they flee in the hundreds of thousands to the territory of the so called "aggressor". A true historical rarity. 

As per the latest reports, some 3 million Ukrainian citizens are currently residing in Russia. More than 2 million of them are economic migrants, and includes individuals from Western provinces such as Lvov, Ternopol and Rivne. Some 900,000 are refugees from Eastern Ukraine, who had to flee their homes as a result of the ethnic cleansing being committed by the junta neo-Nazis.

[galdur]

From Odessa to Transnistria – will Crazy Misha start another war?

June 01, 2015

While the situation in the Donbass appears to be currently “frozen” in something of a “violence during a ceasefire” situation, events in the southwestern Ukraine have taken a sharp turn for the worse.

Odessa

By now, you must have heard that Saakashvili has been appointed governor of the Odessa region and, like everybody else, you must have had the giggle when you read that.  So did I.  But besides the comically ludicrous aspect to this nomination, there is a much, much more ominous aspect to it.   Three things in particular are extremely worrisome in this context:

First, Odessa is considered as the single most potentially dangerous city by the Ukronazis themselves.  The reason for that is that the city and the surrounding areas are solidly and massively pro-Russian and anti-Nazi.  Most of the Nazis have, in fact, been imported from other regions, so we are talking about a few hundred Ukronazi deathsquad members at most.  Yes, they currently are in firm control of the city thanks to their Gestapo-like methods, but they still are despised and hated.  A much more powerful local force is the mob, most of which is still controlled by Kolomoisky who, according to many analysts, is the target of this bizarre nomination.  Indeed, Saakashvili is a US puppet and thus will not negotiate some kind of deal with Kolomoisky.  In fact, Saakashvili will execute any anti-Kolomoisky order.  In other words, we have have the Ukronazis and the US-controlled mobsters fighting for power against a backdrop of a largely pro-Russian population.  A perfect recipe for violence.

Second, ask yourself the following question: what are Saakashvili’s credentials?  It is pretty obvious that his only “qualification” is his rabid hatred for Russia and Russians and his willingness to execute any US order.  That, and his willingness to massacre civilians and peacekeepers (more about that later).  So what this nomination is is not just simply a crude attempt at catering to the Ukronazis.  It is also an attempt to place Odessa firmly into US hands.  Of course, Odessa is now a vital port for the rump-Ukraine for economic reasons, but what it also offers is a port for any military vessel, including USN ships.  Why might the USN want to dock in Odessa?  Here is why:

Third, Odessa is less than 100km away from the Transnistrian city of Tiraspol, which is located at the southern end of long “Transnistrian corridor” between the Ukraine and Moldova.  See for yourself:



Thus, not only can Odessa be used to reinforce or resupply any Ukrainian attack on the Transnistrian Moldav Republic (TMR), but it can also be used as a base to try to prevent any Russian attempt to resupply her forces in the TMR.

Transnistrian Moldav Republic

The TMR is currently facing a blockade on all sides: from the West the TMR is blockaded by the US-controlled Moldova (backed by the US colony of Romania) and from the East by the Ukronazi state.  One look at the geography of the TMR is you will see that it is impossible to defend, especially on both sides at the same time.  Sure, in the war for the independence of the TMR in 1990-1992 the Russian 14th Army did force an end to the hostilities, but at that point the Ukraine was neutral/indifferent and Moldova very weak.  Moldova is still very weak, and just like in the Donbass, the army of the TMR is better equipped, better trained and much more motivated,  but this time around the threat is really on both sides.

The Ukronazis have been preparing for a TMR “attack” for a year.  Just like in the East, they have also started to dig and “anti-tank ditch” as if the tiny TMR (population: 500’000) was about to attack the immense Ukraine (population: 44’000’000).  Needless to say, the true purpose of such “defensive” measures is to create a sense of danger crisis which is ideal for a false flag or a “pre-emptive counter-attack”.

There are also Russian peacekeepers in the TMR.  And now, the Ukronazis freaks have appointed Saakashvili as governor of Odessa – a man with a proven record of murdering Russian peacekeepers and starting crazy wars......



more, must read

http://thesaker.is/from-odessa-to-transnistria-will-crazy-misha-start-another-war/

[Nemo1024]

From Odessa to Transnistria – will Crazy Misha start another war?

...

more, must read

http://thesaker.is/from-odessa-to-transnistria-will-crazy-misha-start-another-war/

Want to add the following passage here, as it illustrates the views within Russia:

I personally doubt that Russia will agree to recognize the TMR and then sign a defense treaty with it.  For one thing, Putin was not elected to save the world, not even Syria, the Donbass or the TMR.  Putin was elected first and foremost to stand up for the interests of the Russian people from and in Russia.  It is all very well to say that the Russian military “must” intervene here or there unless, of course, you are the one having to explain grieving families why their loved one had to die far away from home.  I have also said this here a million times, there is *no* support in Russia for any form of imperialism, including the “humanitarian” one.  Finally, while we in the West are used to dismiss international law as a useless and hypocritical concept which nobody has to pay any attention to, the folks in the Kremlin take international law very seriously and the all these “grand plans” for the “easy” resolution of the TMR crisis have major legal implications, to put it mildly.

[AILISA69]

" Donetsk, Kharkov, Lugansk - way to Russia."

--- 66% of prediction

[galdur]

Hmm, I guess you didn´t see this in mob media...nazi nutcases in Ukraine´s Interior Ministry want their U.S. nutjob sponsors to keep an eye on Rep. John Conyers after he successfully introduced an amendment banning the training of neo-Nazis groups in Ukraine.

"""Advisor to the Minister of Internal Affairs of Ukraine Anton Gerashchenko advised US intelligence to pay attention to US Congressman John Conyers, who accused the battalion "Azov" of Nazism."""

http://korrespondent.net/ukraine/politics/3526739-heraschenko-razvedke-ssha-nuzhno-zaniatsia-senatorom-obvynyvshym-azov-v-natsyzme

[Balthazar]

http://lenta.ru/news/2015/06/30/baltia/

Trolling must go on

[bryant.coleman]

There are also Russian peacekeepers in the TMR.  And now, the Ukronazis freaks have appointed Saakashvili as governor of Odessa – a man with a proven record of murdering Russian peacekeepers and starting crazy wars......

The NATO loonies are probably disappointed by their own failure to provoke Russia in to a full fledged war using the Donbass flare-up. They want Russia to repeat the 2008 invasion of Georgia (Ukraine this time). Putin is no idiot. He knows their plans. But if an attack occurs against the Russian peacekeepers in TMR, then he will have no other option.

[Nemo1024]

http://lenta.ru/news/2015/06/30/baltia/

Trolling must go on

 

To those less versed in Russian:

The Prosecutor General's Office will conduct a probe into the legality of secession of the Baltic republics from USSR, when the State Council of USSR (a possibly illegitimate body, founded in 1991) acknowledged their claim independence.

[AILISA69]

They want Russia to repeat the 2008 invasion of Georgia (Ukraine this time). Putin is no idiot. He knows their plans. But if an attack occurs against the Russian peacekeepers in TMR, then he will have no other option.

What invasion to Georgia?? There was a UN peacekeeping mandat.

[Nemo1024]

They want Russia to repeat the 2008 invasion of Georgia (Ukraine this time). Putin is no idiot. He knows their plans. But if an attack occurs against the Russian peacekeepers in TMR, then he will have no other option.

What invasion to Georgia?? There was a UN peacekeeping mandat.

Bryant should have put "invasion" in quotation marks. When Russian peacekeepers pushed the Georgian forces out of South Ossetia, there was a lot of howling about "Russian invasion of Georgia" by the Western MSM pressitutes.

" Donetsk, Kharkov, Lugansk - way to Russia."

--- 66% of prediction

The OP should have added Odessa to that list as well. The city was founded by the Russian Empress Catherine the Great in 1794. It was later one of the first free ports in Russia between 1819 and 1858. After its heroic resistance to the Nazi German/Romanian invaders during WWII, Odessa was one of the few initial Soviet cities to receive the title of City-Hero, along with Leningrad, Stalingrad and Sevastopol.

I have a feeling that the resistance to Nazism in Odessa is something we are going to see more of in the future, though the way back to Russia will be a thorny one, fraught with many obstacles from the West. The massacre of last year is not forgotten.

A thing to remember, are the American interests: the freight port of Iljichovsk (named after Vladimir Iljich Lenin - what an irony) near Odessa, was bought by Americans.

[galdur]

Somehow without Odessa, Russia doesnt seem quite whole.

Catherine relieved the Ottoman Turks of the area back there in the late 18th century and her generalissimo Alexander Suvorov founded the city of Tiraspol in 1792 in captured territory to the north in what is now Transnistria. Tiraspol, lit. Dniester City from Tiras an ancient Greek name of the Dniester river and polis: city.



This seems about right