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February 24, 2020, 04:00:42 PM
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My invite fails in the validation period, although he passed the test in the IDENA flip challenge, his complaints is the time to finish the flips on the first course which is only 2 minutes, is there a way to extend the time to at least 5 minutes, I myself almost run out of time because I have to make a choice 23 seconds per flip, I'm sure there are people with similar experience.

I managed to complete the short session for 1 minute and in my opinion it was very easy, sometimes indeed what made the flip so confusing that we had to think long to choose.
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February 24, 2020, 05:06:27 PM
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My invite fails in the validation period, although he passed the test in the IDENA flip challenge, his complaints is the time to finish the flips on the first course which is only 2 minutes, is there a way to extend the time to at least 5 minutes, I myself almost run out of time because I have to make a choice 23 seconds per flip, I'm sure there are people with similar experience.

I managed to complete the first flip phase for 1 minute and in my opinion it was very easy, sometimes indeed what made the flip so confusing that we had to think long to choose.

People are not the same when presented in a situation that is new to him, maybe my friend will better the next time because he will check what went wrong, I'm willing to give him another chance but my invitation will go to my cousin who is very interested, I hope they take my suggestion to lengthen the first verification to at least 4 minutes.

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February 24, 2020, 06:36:23 PM
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The idea of this project is very good, but there are still issues with wallets and flips but overall I think the project will be successful and eventually will hit big exchange.

What is the issue you have with the wallets and flips?
Post them in here and maybe some community members will help you with them.
Mainly my issue is with synching, finding peers no matter what kind of internet I use,  it is always the same. I have read od Discord that I should use VPS (remote server) instead but there is only Linux client option available. I have managed to unpack Linux client (deb. extension) but I have no idea how to run this on Windows.
From Faq channel on discord.
2.  chmod +x idena-node-linux-0.16.2 (make file possible to run)(??)

You can use Linux VPS for the node and Windows client at the same time, there is no need to unpack Linux client or anything like this.
Just set up a VPS and connect from your Wndows client to the VPS, you should have 18 connections all the time.

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February 24, 2020, 07:24:29 PM
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Hard fork is coming. Awesome changes made to prevent against bot attack. Great work AndrewIdena.

https://medium.com/@idena.network/idena-security-model-update-7d624ef3298f

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February 24, 2020, 07:31:19 PM
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Hard fork is coming. Awesome changes made to prevent against bot attack. Great work AndrewIdena.

https://medium.com/@idena.network/idena-security-model-update-7d624ef3298f

May I know which part of the upcoming update you love the most? So far I have only hate for it after reading the news.

But...still testnet

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February 24, 2020, 08:56:07 PM
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#1 is a good one.
#2 is ok, but it takes too much time to become a human, in future it could take years in case of bad luck. Doesn't seem sustainable.
#3 is ok.
#4 is bad imho, because there is significant chance to fail at least one validation out of 4 needed to become verified. It demotivates from joining the network.
#5 is ok.
#6 is not clear yet.

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February 24, 2020, 09:28:05 PM
 #547

The idea of this project is very good, but there are still issues with wallets and flips but overall I think the project will be successful and eventually will hit big exchange.

What is the issue you have with the wallets and flips?
Post them in here and maybe some community members will help you with them.
Mainly my issue is with synching, finding peers no matter what kind of internet I use,  it is always the same. I have read od Discord that I should use VPS (remote server) instead but there is only Linux client option available. I have managed to unpack Linux client (deb. extension) but I have no idea how to run this on Windows.
From Faq channel on discord.
2.  chmod +x idena-node-linux-0.16.2 (make file possible to run)(??)

You can use Linux VPS for the node and Windows client at the same time, there is no need to unpack Linux client or anything like this.
Just set up a VPS and connect from your Wndows client to the VPS, you should have 18 connections all the time.
Ok. Thank you.I will try it tomorrow.
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February 25, 2020, 07:16:22 AM
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Hey gents!
I saw on idena discord server that I must disable private IPs scanning. Does anyone know how to check if this feature is enabled on my VPS?
Thnaks!

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Last edit: February 25, 2020, 08:29:53 AM by Tytanowy Janusz
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 #549

May I know which part of the upcoming update you love the most? So far I have only hate for it after reading the news.

But...still testnet

Few weeks ago i was describing on telegram possible abuse in which 1 person begs for as many invitation as it is possible and than go random with answers validating 50% accounts and mining with them for whole week. I don't know if they was reading this or came up to this by themselves (most probably the second one) but this update is made to prevent this type of attack. I love every part.

"1-Short session extension (6 flips with 60% to succeed) "
this will decrees number of validated accounts by attacker by 20% and also will help real users. Validation in most cases looks like that. ~100 sec for 5 flips = 4 flips in 50 sec and than 50 sec on 1 dumb flip than i try to solve and in the end I go random and reach 100% because last flip did not reach consensus. 1 extra flip will not be a problem in terms of time and will only help to prove that you are human.

"2- Human status with the stake protection for aged identities"

Finally people will stop killing their identities in fear of getting 5 shitty flips.
#2 is ok, but it takes too much time to become a human, in future it could take years in case of bad luck. Doesn't seem sustainable.

4 epochs. That's all. 32 days currently and maximum of 12 month with 767137+ nodes. I don't think its too much for highest possible rank that you can achieve.

"3. Lottery-based rewards for non-spent invitations to prevent sporadic invitations"

This will make abuser very hard to collect dozens of invitations since part of members will decide to collect 30% of reward instead of 0% if invited person will fail validation. They will simply take 30% or invite trusted person.

"4. Discrimination of identities with the Newbie status"
This will make abuser loose financial motivation since he will be able to collect only 20% of minted coins from newbies accounts. Simply he will have to collect 13 invitations during 1 epoch to mine as fast as 1 honest miner (even more (like 25) if you take into consideration that hones miner will get more coins from creating flips, inviting, and validating older account - validation reward depends on account age) .

#4 is bad imho, because there is significant chance to fail at least one validation out of 4 needed to become verified. It demotivates from joining the network.
It is not "significant chance". I think that 90-95% of real humans that take IDENA serious validates 3 times in a row. My stats - 87.5:91 - i made 3.5 flips wrong during 20 epochs. Newbie can do 4.5 flips wrong during 3 epochs and still succeed.

5. Additional flips submission

We need those flips to cover short session extension. "will be allowed" is key here. Sometimes i have shitty words and its really hard for me to create flip that is easy for community, hard for AI. I'll do 3 flips that epoch. If i'll get good words I'll create 5. This will boost quality of flips. More flips by members with human status will boost quality too.

6. More invitations for Humans and less for Verified

Also protects against attacker and improve quality of new members.


And what part are you hating the most? there is nothing to hate if you don't want to scam others.

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February 25, 2020, 08:49:10 AM
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Hey gents!
I saw on idena discord server that I must disable private IPs scanning. Does anyone know how to check if this feature is enabled on my VPS?
Thnaks!

This is activated by default, so if you haven't deactivated it, it will be activated. I have had it activated using Vultr and it has not given me any problems but it is recommended to deactivate it if you are in VPS.

It's as easy as downloading config.json and adding --config=config.json to the command line that runs Idena, for example "./idena-node-linux-0.17.2 --apikey xxxxx --config=config.json"


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@Janusz

Really?

Let's look arround at the updates from a point of view of a newbie.
Hello I am M. I have just joined the network; may I have an invite? -silence- why would now anyone send an invite when they get paid anyway? -This got worse than the last replies we had here about people humilating themselves on public channels-.
So I am new, I did some flip challanges and I was ok and I hope all will be fine for the verification. Now the session starts, besides the limited time at a specific only day, I have to do 4 out of 6. My luck is to get bad flips with no conseunse but I am passing the verification with 4 out of 4 (short one).
Now I can be a node and I mine for 9 days but only 20% of what I mine goes to myself, in case I fail any of the future maybe even 5 epochs that means 40 days, I will lose all the effort I had on the platform. And a month is a lot in the crypto world isn't it? Besides that AT ANY MOMENT, the person that invited me can terminate my identity. Fantastic?!
But it is good, if i manage to do really good scores for a long periode of time, during weekdays or weekends, I can become a human. Which I find as a very good update.
But all the users are still not getting out invitations because there is no point of doing it anymore, why would I risk my invite when I am getting paid anyway and i have a 50% chance of getting another 1/3 ?
As you saw me as a newbie I am useless, besides epochs going so much on now, 9 maybe 10 days when we reach 1000 users, 1000^0.33=10 days; For 40 days I am able to do nothing and in the danger of losing everything, let's say internet won't work, electricity issue, health isssue, just forget about it etc.

Really now, where is the point of me as a newbie to care about joining the network anymore? Now I have to beg more for 1 invite, now I have more epochs to verifiy with a bigger % needed. Where is the point after all? I find it so stupid that everyone love these new rules, the old ones were too much, these ones takes it to the ridiculous.

And so what someone spent invites and asking from everyone whatever? Do you think that there is a good way of stopping someone from doing that? Only thinking at that way it shows how ridiculous this situation is, or the one that you have talked about.

If someone was taking invites and messing arround with them, that's it own business and the business of the inviters, you can't stop this by the blockchain code no matter how smart you think you are. Whatever...It's still testnet, but these changes will decrease amazingly the coming of the new users.

Andrew said that he is not going to give any invite from last epoch. If I see any invite coming out from him this epoch it means the project is a scam or they are trying to take as much mining now as possible.

She's crazy like a fool.
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February 25, 2020, 10:56:45 AM
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@Janusz

Really?

Yes. I have 5 min now so here is quick response. I'll expand it soon.

Now I can be a node and I mine for 9 days but only 20%

Would you rather mine 20% now with 95% chance of getting another 60% after month in a network with 500 humans or 100% in a network with 500 humans and 4500 bots (10% of what you could mine without bots)? We are talking about safety and network stability here. And you are crying because of few newbies that will bounce from entry barrier. To mine bitcoin you have to buy 3000$ ant miner - and  still may not profit due to high electricity cost in some countries - isn't it bigger entry barrier than 3x 30 min for validation?

Besides that AT ANY MOMENT, the person that invited me can terminate my identity. Fantastic?!
what for? If i invite someone i want him to validate 3 times because i get 1x for first invitation 3x for second and 6x for third. If i kill someone after 2 validations i'm refusing last (the biggest) reward that is equal to 60% of total reward. Person that i've invited 2 epoch ago minted total of 778 coins. If i'll kill him now (just after update) he will lose 622 coins ... you know how much will I lose by doing that? 640 ! I'm loosing more because he did not validate third time than he is loosing because i killed his identity.


And i'm speaking from perspecive of 20 epoch old accound and 1 epoch old account that i've just created for my wife.

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February 25, 2020, 11:08:37 AM
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@Janusz

Really?

Let's look arround at the updates from a point of view of a newbie.
Hello I am M. I have just joined the network; may I have an invite? -silence- why would now anyone send an invite when they get paid anyway? -This got worse than the last replies we had here about people humilating themselves on public channels-.
So I am new, I did some flip challanges and I was ok and I hope all will be fine for the verification. Now the session starts, besides the limited time at a specific only day, I have to do 4 out of 6. My luck is to get bad flips with no conseunse but I am passing the verification with 4 out of 4 (short one).
Now I can be a node and I mine for 9 days but only 20% of what I mine goes to myself, in case I fail any of the future maybe even 5 epochs that means 40 days, I will lose all the effort I had on the platform. And a month is a lot in the crypto world isn't it? Besides that AT ANY MOMENT, the person that invited me can terminate my identity. Fantastic?!
But it is good, if i manage to do really good scores for a long periode of time, during weekdays or weekends, I can become a human. Which I find as a very good update.
But all the users are still not getting out invitations because there is no point of doing it anymore, why would I risk my invite when I am getting paid anyway and i have a 50% chance of getting another 1/3 ?
As you saw me as a newbie I am useless, besides epochs going so much on now, 9 maybe 10 days when we reach 1000 users, 1000^0.33=10 days; For 40 days I am able to do nothing and in the danger of losing everything, let's say internet won't work, electricity issue, health isssue, just forget about it etc.

Really now, where is the point of me as a newbie to care about joining the network anymore? Now I have to beg more for 1 invite, now I have more epochs to verifiy with a bigger % needed. Where is the point after all? I find it so stupid that everyone love these new rules, the old ones were too much, these ones takes it to the ridiculous.

And so what someone spent invites and asking from everyone whatever? Do you think that there is a good way of stopping someone from doing that? Only thinking at that way it shows how ridiculous this situation is, or the one that you have talked about.

If someone was taking invites and messing arround with them, that's it own business and the business of the inviters, you can't stop this by the blockchain code no matter how smart you think you are. Whatever...It's still testnet, but these changes will decrease amazingly the coming of the new users.

Andrew said that he is not going to give any invite from last epoch. If I see any invite coming out from him this epoch it means the project is a scam or they are trying to take as much mining now as possible.
yep, new hardfork looks very scammy
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February 25, 2020, 01:54:42 PM
 #554

Hey gents!
I saw on idena discord server that I must disable private IPs scanning. Does anyone know how to check if this feature is enabled on my VPS?
Thnaks!

yep i think its mandatory, what Vps Provider do you use?

@reborn tell me to do this if you not, you will get banned from the VPS provider

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bash -c 'echo "{ \"IpfsConf\": { \"Profile\": \"server\" } }" > config.json'
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February 26, 2020, 03:22:28 AM
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Hi there, how get an invitation code ?
Joined Discord, but can do ... nothing ?
Thanks for your help.
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Hi there, how get an invitation code ?
Joined Discord, but can do ... nothing ?
Thanks for your help.
Can find dev for invitation code! Or look for the elderly in the invitation group and ask for the invitation code!

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@Janusz

Really?
.............er...It's still testnet, but these changes will decrease amazingly the coming of the new users.

Andrew said that he is not going to give any invite from last epoch. If I see any invite coming out from him this epoch it means the project is a scam or they are trying to take as much mining now as possible.
yep, new hardfork looks very scammy

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February 26, 2020, 10:48:15 AM
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The prayers were answered.

Core team founds are vested - 1/3 for 3 years, 1/3 for 5 years
Early investors funds are vested 1/3 for 1 year, 1/3 for 2 years
3 000 000 coins are reserved for 2020 funding
8 320 000 coins are reserved for 2021-2022 funding

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The initially planned milestone for Idena in 2020 was the coin listing in Q3 2020 coupled with the mainnet announcement. However, in February 2020 the DNA coin was listed by qTrade, a U.S.-based digital asset exchange, at the initiative of the exchange without a listing fee.
Effectively, since then Idena runs a mainnet: No network swaps or changes of the state of balances could now be executed without consequences for the community.

So i guess we are no longer in testnet.

Read more about this big anoouncement and community report here:
https://medium.com/idena/idena-community-report-current-state-and-next-steps-dce97a0e3034

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February 26, 2020, 11:11:55 AM
Last edit: February 26, 2020, 11:28:17 AM by TakeItEasy
 #559

Who are these "early investors"?
As far as I understood, there were no ICO, IPO and other garbage.
DNA coins could be obtained only through mining, purchases through the OTC Discord, and the last way - buying on Qtrade. Without any "early investments".


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https://medium.com/idena/idena-community-report-current-state-and-next-steps-dce97a0e3034
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