Coronavirus Outbreak

[DireWolfM14]

Anyone else notice how many of the news stories about Covid-19 and the Trump administration's response are completely polarized and contradictory?  It seems like like many, including some of his harshest critics are actually commending Trump's response.  One critic who was reacently clamoring for his impleachment actually said that "he is being the kind of leader that people need" in this situation.  Even Ilhan Omar complemented the president on this actions.

But many stories are trying to paint a different picture.  So many are claiming he's inept, ignorant, unresponsive, blah, blah, blah.  I know from first hand knowledge how misleading those stories are.  I work for a company that's at the forefront of this battle, the president has mentioned us by name a few times during his press conferences in the past week.  We, among many of our competitors have been working tirelessly to help fight this virus, and our internal communications have made it very clear that the administration is leading this effort and sparing no resource in helping us in this fight.

I read two stories yesterday (that I can't seem to find anymore) that had the same premise, but different conclusions.  Both stories claimed that in 2017 the Trump administration was instructed by exiting Obama officials on how to deal with a pandemic.  One story was crediting Obama for Trump's success, while the other story claimed that Trump's failure is due to his administration rejecting Obama's instructions.  Both stories were very kind to Obama, while being harsh on Trump.  Both claimed that Obama's response to the 2011-2012 SARS pandemic was beyond reproach, which I know to be utter bull shit.  Obama didn't do shit until 1000 Americans had died from SARS.

It makes me wonder, who stands to benefit from this contradictory, and obviously misleading information?  Who stands to gain if the Trump administration is made to look like a bunch of inept, babbling buffoons?  The obvious answer is the Democrats, but I don't think that's where it stops.  

Who else?  Possibly the people who are responsible for the virus in the first place?

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ilhan-omar-praises-trumps-incredible-response-to-coronavirus-pandemic
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2020/03/17/cnns_dana_bash_on_coronavirus_president_trump_is_being_the_kind_of_leader_that_people_need.html

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[Tash]

Hedge fund manager apologizes for wiping saliva on Hong Kong metro rail
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-hongkong-hedgefund-idUSKBN2160IB
https://www.reddit.com/r/Sino/comments/fkqzrc/foreigner_caught_spreading_disease_through_saliva/

[TECSHARE]

"By comparing the available genome sequence data for known coronavirus strains, we can firmly determine that SARS-CoV-2 originated through natural processes,"

Accelerated mutation and selective evolution is still a natural process. Even assuming there was absolutely no human interference with the evolution of this virus whatsoever, this still doesn't mean it is not a bio-weapon. A naturally evolved virus can still be intentionally released and used as a weapon. Nothing I am saying is even remotely debatable, it is fact.

An "accelerated forced mutation process done by raising many generations of the virus in a targeted environment" is in no way a "natural process." Natural selection is a natural process, which is what the article says was likely to be the case.

You have zero evidence that it is a "bio-weapon" -- that remains conspiracy-driven nonsense. The article concludes that it is likely a virus that either

a. evolved in an animal species through natural selection to be transmitted to a human, or
b. transmitted to a human in a non-pathogenic form and evolved to a pathogenic one afterward.

You are free to argue against the findings of people who actually know what they are talking about in order to keep pressing your own conspiracy theory, and I am free to point out that it relies on nothing but baseless beliefs and a general misunderstanding of biology.

Even if we were to go into the thought process that this was a bio weapon, and to ignore the evidence suggesting the other side of things. Here's where we would get with that.

Who is this bio weapon for? China? China was ravagaed by this virus and many people were infected and died in China. Was it Iran? Same thing happened to them. Who would do this that isn't going to be effected by it in some way? I don't know, this is not something you'd, be able to control and just set it upon one person.

....

I don't have to ignore anything. That paper is not exclusive of it being a bio-weapon, naturally evolved or not. The critical flaw with your logic is you assume the people responsible would give a fuck about the general population, even if it was their own host nation.

[Ibian]

"By comparing the available genome sequence data for known coronavirus strains, we can firmly determine that SARS-CoV-2 originated through natural processes,"

Accelerated mutation and selective evolution is still a natural process. Even assuming there was absolutely no human interference with the evolution of this virus whatsoever, this still doesn't mean it is not a bio-weapon. A naturally evolved virus can still be intentionally released and used as a weapon. Nothing I am saying is even remotely debatable, it is fact.

An "accelerated forced mutation process done by raising many generations of the virus in a targeted environment" is in no way a "natural process." Natural selection is a natural process, which is what the article says was likely to be the case.

You have zero evidence that it is a "bio-weapon" -- that remains conspiracy-driven nonsense. The article concludes that it is likely a virus that either

a. evolved in an animal species through natural selection to be transmitted to a human, or
b. transmitted to a human in a non-pathogenic form and evolved to a pathogenic one afterward.

You are free to argue against the findings of people who actually know what they are talking about in order to keep pressing your own conspiracy theory, and I am free to point out that it relies on nothing but baseless beliefs and a general misunderstanding of biology.

Even if we were to go into the thought process that this was a bio weapon, and to ignore the evidence suggesting the other side of things. Here's where we would get with that.

Who is this bio weapon for? China? China was ravagaed by this virus and many people were infected and died in China. Was it Iran? Same thing happened to them. Who would do this that isn't going to be effected by it in some way? I don't know, this is not something you'd, be able to control and just set it upon one person.

....

I don't have to ignore anything. That paper is not exclusive of it being a bio-weapon, naturally evolved or not. The critical flaw with your logic is you assume the people responsible would give a fuck about the general population, even if it was their own host nation.

Communists do not care about human life. That is their defining characteristic. The only thing they do well is kill their own people.

They also lie. There is no way the disease spread exponentially, and then suddenly flatlined. It is just not possible.

[PrimeNumber7]

Anyone else notice how many of the news stories about Covid-19 and the Trump administration's response are completely polarized and contradictory?  It seems like like many, including some of his harshest critics are actually commending Trump's response.  One critic who was reacently clamoring for his impleachment actually said that "he is being the kind of leader that people need" in this situation.  Even Ilhan Omar complemented the president on this actions.

But many stories are trying to paint a different picture.  So many are claiming he's inept, ignorant, unresponsive, blah, blah, blah.  I know from first hand knowledge how misleading those stories are.  I work for a company that's at the forefront of this battle, the president has mentioned us by name a few times during his press conferences in the past week.  We, among many of our competitors have been working tirelessly to help fight this virus, and our internal communications have made it very clear that the administration is leading this effort and sparing no resource in helping us in this fight.

I read two stories yesterday (that I can't seem to find anymore) that had the same premise, but different conclusions.  Both stories claimed that in 2017 the Trump administration was instructed by exiting Obama officials on how to deal with a pandemic.  One story was crediting Obama for Trump's success, while the other story claimed that Trump's failure is due to his administration rejecting Obama's instructions.  Both stories were very kind to Obama, while being harsh on Trump.  Both claimed that Obama's response to the 2011-2012 SARS pandemic was beyond reproach, which I know to be utter bull shit.  Obama didn't do shit until 1000 Americans had died from SARS.

It makes me wonder, who stands to benefit from this contradictory, and obviously misleading information?  Who stands to gain if the Trump administration is made to look like a bunch of inept, babbling buffoons?  The obvious answer is the Democrats, but I don't think that's where it stops. 

Who else?  Possibly the people who are responsible for the virus in the first place?

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ilhan-omar-praises-trumps-incredible-response-to-coronavirus-pandemic
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2020/03/17/cnns_dana_bash_on_coronavirus_president_trump_is_being_the_kind_of_leader_that_people_need.html

An OAN reporter asked Trump about the left wing media outlets repeating the Chinese government propaganda and what he thought about that in his press conference today.

Most of the media was referring to the coronavirus as being originated and/or associated with China until it became a serious problem in most of the world and started overwhelming European health care systems. Having the coronavirus be associated with China has the potential to upend their role in the global economy and community.

A lot of Western companies were willing to look the other way with regards to the theft of IP, and human rights violations because it meant short term profits and lots of money for high level executives. The coronavirus should change that because it will have more than erased those short term profits and in a lot of cases, caused death to many that are close to business executives.

In Italy, in terms of percentage of their population, they are basically going through a 9/11 every day with how many of their people are dying. I think the Chinese realize that no amount of propaganda can account for this and are sending hundreds of doctors and lots of medical equipment to try to mitigate the damage.

[Spendulus]

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It makes me wonder, who stands to benefit from this contradictory, and obviously misleading information?  Who stands to gain if the Trump administration is made to look like a bunch of inept, babbling buffoons?  The obvious answer is the Democrats, but I don't think that's where it stops.  

Who else?  Possibly the people who are responsible for the virus in the first place?
...

Quite possibly. America has politicians who can be bought, and stock ownership in its news companies can be bought. For some time we've been seeing what might be characterized as international interests influencing and disrupting things here.

[OutOfMemory]

Communists do not care about human life. That is their defining characteristic. The only thing they do well is kill their own people.

They also lie. There is no way the disease spread exponentially, and then suddenly flatlined. It is just not possible.

Dude, grow up.
Everybody is lying. It is a human strategy for winning.
Even if the weakest minds among us believe (or are made believe to) that they are the strongest.
Research and you'll find answers, regarding the curve problem.

EDIT: To be honest, there was a time when i was a believer of quite some conspiracy theories too.
It's just your own mind, creatively distracting you from your true self.
Trust me. I've been there.

[Ibian]

Communists do not care about human life. That is their defining characteristic. The only thing they do well is kill their own people.

They also lie. There is no way the disease spread exponentially, and then suddenly flatlined. It is just not possible.

Dude, grow up.
Everybody is lying. It is a human strategy for winning.
Even if the weakest minds among us believe (or are made believe to) that they are the strongest.
Research and you'll find answers, regarding the curve problem.

EDIT: To be honest, there was a time when i was a believer of quite some conspiracy theories too.
It's just your own mind, creatively distracting you from your true self.
Trust me. I've been there.

Maybe you just don't know this, but conspiracies exist. And people lie to different degrees. The more to the left, the more and bigger the lies.

[OutOfMemory]

Communists do not care about human life. That is their defining characteristic. The only thing they do well is kill their own people.

They also lie. There is no way the disease spread exponentially, and then suddenly flatlined. It is just not possible.

Dude, grow up.
Everybody is lying. It is a human strategy for winning.
Even if the weakest minds among us believe (or are made believe to) that they are the strongest.
Research and you'll find answers, regarding the curve problem.

EDIT: To be honest, there was a time when i was a believer of quite some conspiracy theories too.
It's just your own mind, creatively distracting you from your true self.
Trust me. I've been there.

Maybe you just don't know this, but conspiracies exist. And people lie to different degrees. The more to the left, the more and bigger the lies.

What i know is that most people lie most often to themselves.
Conspiracies exist, but not to that degree. An underused mind gets very creative.

[Ibian]

Communists do not care about human life. That is their defining characteristic. The only thing they do well is kill their own people.

They also lie. There is no way the disease spread exponentially, and then suddenly flatlined. It is just not possible.

Dude, grow up.
Everybody is lying. It is a human strategy for winning.
Even if the weakest minds among us believe (or are made believe to) that they are the strongest.
Research and you'll find answers, regarding the curve problem.

EDIT: To be honest, there was a time when i was a believer of quite some conspiracy theories too.
It's just your own mind, creatively distracting you from your true self.
Trust me. I've been there.

Maybe you just don't know this, but conspiracies exist. And people lie to different degrees. The more to the left, the more and bigger the lies.

What i know is that most people lie most often to themselves.
Conspiracies exist, but not to that degree. An underused mind gets very creative.

Who are you to say how big a conspiracy can get?

[OutOfMemory]

Communists do not care about human life. That is their defining characteristic. The only thing they do well is kill their own people.

They also lie. There is no way the disease spread exponentially, and then suddenly flatlined. It is just not possible.

Dude, grow up.
Everybody is lying. It is a human strategy for winning.
Even if the weakest minds among us believe (or are made believe to) that they are the strongest.
Research and you'll find answers, regarding the curve problem.

EDIT: To be honest, there was a time when i was a believer of quite some conspiracy theories too.
It's just your own mind, creatively distracting you from your true self.
Trust me. I've been there.

Maybe you just don't know this, but conspiracies exist. And people lie to different degrees. The more to the left, the more and bigger the lies.

What i know is that most people lie most often to themselves.
Conspiracies exist, but not to that degree. An underused mind gets very creative.

Who are you to say how big a conspiracy can get?

I mean the degree of all conspiracy theories. Every news headline adds to or starts a conspiracy theory.
The only real conspiracy i know of is the one our mind constantly spins against our (un)consciousness.
Get real. The matrix is not out there, it's inside your own head 

[TECSHARE]

The USA is about to start confining people to their homes. It will likely be for a month minimum, and up to three. Make preparations if you haven't already.

[OutOfMemory]

https://www.politico.eu/article/the-austrian-ski-town-that-spread-coronavirus-across-the-continent/
See my posts from 2 or 3 days ago...
(Most) Austrians are some retards, but the Tyroleans are forming the top of the stupidity bell curve. A well known secret, but now it's official  

EDIT: As a candy, i just read that the austrian government experienced a a big data leak. A vulnerability in their Covid-information website allowed the download of infection databases to the world. Including names and details on cases. That's Austria. The chancellor has plans for "Austria-Cloud", containing digitalized personal data from all citizens. I bet they feel safe AF using that.
That's what i call transparency. A bit complicated, but well...

[Tash]

77 Countries who have infected but have not reported any death or recovered
36 have reported nobody died from COVID-19 so far,  up 4 from previous day
28 more have died as recovered to this day
The  mostly aged Cruise Ship Passanger recover at a good rate. Strange new infetions , now 712 was 696
Data from Worldometer
* Health expenditure of GDP in 2016.  The winner was Monaco with 1.75%  

-------------------------	Inf.	Deaths	Rec.	Death/Rec.
Singapore	345	0	124	0,00%		4,47%
UAE	140	0	31	0,00%		3,52%
Romania	277	0	25	0,00%		4,98%
Kuwait	148	0	18	0,00%		3,90%
Vietnam	85	0	16	0,00%		5,66%
Israel	677	0	14	0,00%		7,31%
Oman	48	0	13	0,00%		4,29%
Qatar	460	0	10	0,00%		3,08%
Macao	17	0	10	0,00%		4,98%
Finland	400	0	10	0,00%		9,49%
Saudi Arabia	274	0	8	0,00%		5,74%
Belarus	51	0	5	0,00%		6,32%
Iceland	330	0	5	0,00%		8,29%
Sri Lanka	60	0	3	0,00%		3,89%
Czechia	694	0	3	0,00%		7,15%
Senegal	36	0	2	0,00%		5,51%
BosniaHerzegovina	64	0	2	0,00%		9,23%
Malta	53	0	2	0,00%		9,30%
Gibraltar	10	0	2	0,00%		9,76%
Aruba	5	0	1	0,00%		0
Faeroe Islands	72	0	1	0,00%		0
Ivory Coast	9	0	1	0,00%		0
Nigeria	12	0	1	0,00%		3,65%
Jordan	69	0	1	0,00%		5,47%
Colombia	128	0	1	0,00%		5,91%
Cambodia	37	0	1	0,00%		6,08%
Latvia	86	0	1	0,00%		6,24%
Nepal	1	0	1	0,00%		6,29%
N.Macedonia	50	0	1	0,00%		6,34%
Lithuania	48	0	1	0,00%		6,67%
Estonia	267	0	1	0,00%		6,68%
Georgia	43	0	1	0,00%		8,44%
Serbia	103	0	1	0,00%		9,14%
Armenia	122	0	1	0,00%		9,93%
Afghanistan	22	0	1	0,00%		10,20%
Andorra	74	0	1	0,00%		10,37%
Bahrain	279	1	110	0,91%		4,87%
Diamond Princess	712	7	527	1,33%		0
Thailand	322	1	42	2,38%		3,71%
Malaysia	900	2	75	2,67%		3,80%
Taiwan	108	1	26	3,85%		6,20%
Hong Kong	208	4	98	4,08%		6,20%
S. Korea	8652	94	2233	4,21%		7,34%
China	80967	3248	71150	4,57%		4,98%
Russia	199	1	8	12,50%		5,27%
Belgium	1795	21	165	12,73%		10,04%
Azerbaijan	44	1	7	14,29%		6,89%
Australia	814	7	46	15,22%		9,25%
Japan	963	33	215	15,35%		10,93%
Pakistan	454	2	13	15,38%		2,75%
Egypt	256	7	42	16,67%		4,64%
Croatia	110	1	5	20,00%		7,18%
Iran	18407	1284	5979	21,48%		8,10%
India	201	5	20	25,00%		3,66%
Mexico	164	1	4	25,00%		5,47%
Iraq	192	13	49	26,53%		3,31%
Algeria	90	9	32	28,13%		6,65%
France	10995	372	1295	28,73%		11,54%
Greece	464	6	19	31,58%		8,45%
Bangladesh	18	1	3	33,33%		2,37%
Germany	15320	44	115	38,26%		11,14%
Poland	355	5	13	38,46%		6,52%
Jamaica	16	1	2	50,00%		6,07%
Hungary	85	1	2	50,00%		7,36%
Ireland	557	3	5	60,00%		7,38%
Austria	2196	6	9	66,67%		10,44%
Luxembourg	335	4	6	66,67%		6,16%
Sweden	1439	11	16	68,75%		10,93%
Spain	18077	831	1107	75,07%		8,97%
Italy	41035	3405	4440	76,69%		8,94%
Lebanon	157	4	4	100,00%		8,02%
Portugal	786	4	4	100,00%		9,08%
Argentina	128	3	3	100,00%		7,55%
Morocco	63	2	2	100,00%		5,84%
Tunisia	39	1	1	100,00%		6,95%
Panama	137	1	1	100,00%		7,26%
Moldova	49	1	1	100,00%		8,98%
Canada	873	12	11	109,09%		10,53%
Indonesia	309	25	15	166,67%		3,12%
USA	14366	217	125	173,60%		17,07%
Philippines	217	17	8	212,50%		4,39%
UK	3269	144	65	221,54%		9,76%
Switzerland	4222	43	15	286,67%		12,25%
Peru	234	3	1	300,00%		5,14%
Ecuador	260	3	1	300,00%		8,39%
San Marino	144	14	4	350,00%		6,40%
Brazil	647	7	2	350,00%		11,77%
Denmark	1151	6	1	600,00%		10,35%
Norway	179	7	1	700,00%		10,50%
Netherlands	246	76	2	3800,00%		10,36%
Cayman Islands	3	1	0,1#	1000,00%		0
Curaçao	3	1	0,1#	1000,00%		0
Martinique	23	1	0,1#	1000,00%		0
Guyana	5	1	0,1#	1000,00%		4,24%
Sudan	2	1	0,1#	1000,00%		5,66%
Guatemala	9	1	0,1#	1000,00%		5,82%
Burkina Faso	33	1	0,1#	1000,00%		6,75%
Slovenia	319	1	0,1#	1000,00%		8,47%
Cuba	16	1	0,1#	1000,00%		12,19%
Dominican Rep	34	2	0,1#	2000,00%		6,16%
Albania	64	2	0,1#	2000,00%		6,70%
Costa Rica	89	2	0,1#	2000,00%		7,56%
Ukraine	26	3	0,1#	3000,00%		6,73%
Bulgaria	107	3	0,1#	3000,00%		8,23%
Turkey	359	4	0,1#	4000,00%		4,31%

# Lets give some credit and assume some partially recovered to get past div 0

[TECSHARE]

"Germany seizes medical supplies headed to Switzerland as Europe scrounges for resources to fight coronavirus"

https://www.rt.com/news/483582-germany--switzerland-medical-supplies-coronavirus/


"Chart Of The Week: New COVID-19 Cases Per Day"

https://www.zerohedge.com/health/chart-week-new-covid-19-cases-day


""Critical Incident" - London Hospital Runs Out Of Beds Amid Virus Outbreak"

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/critical-incident-london-hospital-runs-out-beds-amid-virus-outbreak

[BADecker]

Check the calc on Florida car accidents and deaths here https://www.dmvflorida.org/state-of-florida/crash-data/. Old folks know that there isn't any threat from CV. That's why they resist lockdowns.


Florida Seniors More Worried About Market Collapse Than Pandemic

As of Tuesday morning, there are 4,661 confirmed cases and 83 deaths across the country. Florida has recorded 160 confirmed cases and 4 deaths. Containment windows across major metro areas by the government were likely missed last month as community spreading is underway. Social distancing has been implemented in many states to a certain degree to flatten the curve and slowdown infections, but again, the window was missed.

With the fast-spreading virus expected to strike Florida due to its aging population, Reuters interviewed more than a dozen senior citizens at a densely populated retirement community called the Villages. On everyone's mind was not the pandemic consuming the world, but rather their brokerage accounts.

[TwitchySeal]

"Germany seizes medical supplies headed to Switzerland as Europe scrounges for resources to fight coronavirus"

https://www.rt.com/news/483582-germany--switzerland-medical-supplies-coronavirus/


"Chart Of The Week: New COVID-19 Cases Per Day"

https://www.zerohedge.com/health/chart-week-new-covid-19-cases-day


""Critical Incident" - London Hospital Runs Out Of Beds Amid Virus Outbreak"

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/critical-incident-london-hospital-runs-out-beds-amid-virus-outbreak

I would be very careful taking either zerohedge or rt.com seriously.

zerohedge is a conspiracy theory/pseudo science blog and rt is Russian propaganda.

[Gyfts]

I'm sure this has been discussed before but Trump's response to the coronavirus has been abysmal and I'm convinced he has shot himself in the foot for his reelection chances. The Trump administration's response to the coronavirus in the ENTIRE month of February was a travel from China and that was it. The entirety of the federal government's resources were dedicated to nothing while members of the Trump administration believed a mere travel would stop coronavirus. You fast forward two weeks later and you are facing exponential growth of the virus with the entire U.S. economy at virtual standstill. The U.S. can't even properly test people that show symptoms of coronavirus with people having fevers/coughs being turned away from tests at emergency rooms.

Trump's only pitch at reelection was the economy and the U.S. is going to face a 20 percent unemployment rate. The U.S. is at the worst economic recession since the Great Depression and Trump is partly to blame. You cannot isolate millions of people and expect the economy to recover. Even after coronavirus settles down, the effect of the economy is going to last for years and the unemployment rate isn't going to go down until at least a year after the virus subsides. 

[PrimeNumber7]

I'm sure this has been discussed before but Trump's response to the coronavirus has been abysmal and I'm convinced he has shot himself in the foot for his reelection chances. The Trump administration's response to the coronavirus in the ENTIRE month of February was a travel from China and that was it.

What did any other country do, except for China?

Most countries didn’t even ban travel from China. Most countries only monitored the temperature of travelers coming in from certain countries. Most of Europe/the west did not even do that.

[TwitchySeal]

What did any other country do, except for China?

South Korea is the best (but not only) example of other countries handling it differently and better than America.

Both countries had their first case on or about the same day, around Jan 25th.

South Korea immediately took it seriously and focused on testing as many people as possible, as quickly as possible.
Since then they have tested ~300k people and took major steps to 'socially distance'.

From late Jan till early March, America downplayed the whole thing.  The president praised China, lied about how many cases there were, blamed his political opponents for the 'corona hoax' and insisted the whole thing would basically blow over.  America has 5x+ the population of SK and have tested like 30k people total.

South Korea cases are now decreasing daily.  Cases in America are increasing exponentially.

These numbers might be a bit off, but you get the point.