Boxing Speculation, Odds and Predictions

[carlisle1]

Teo is capable of knocking people out, but I don't know if he can bring his power to 140 lbs, we've seen his fight in this division though against Campa, but we all know that Campa is not in his prime. But it was a good welcome for Lopez in 140 lbs.

He left go of his hands in that fight a good indication that he is really focused more on his career after his lost to Kambosos.

So now he is back with a good and durable opponent. So yes, we shall tonight, probably most of us as waiting for this fight.

The fight was ended and Lopez win via split decision, the judges already make a good decision in this match. The first 2 round Lopez was fall for 2 times, it's not because Martin punch him, but he's force himself to punch Martin while he's too far. Lopez seems want to fight in distance, but he doesn't have enough reach to use this strategy. Lopez still winning since he punch more and few of his punch is on point to Martin's face.

Yeah, it seems that Lopez is too eager in the early rounds and that's why Martin scored a flash knockdown. Lopez though complain that he is frustrated because Martin chooses to run in this fight and that he keeps on chasing him.

Nevertheless it was a split decision only win for Lopez, and not majority. But still a win is a win for him.

No robbery though, it's that Martin didn't do enough to win on the other 2 judges.

Not a robbery and Martin is just doing what he thinks is good, he doesn't want that engagement knowing that Lopez can really take him down
if he will give him that chance.

He just moves according to how he see that he has some chance of winning, but the judges give the win to Lopez
as he converts more and he's really aggressive.

Nothing to say, a win is still a win and we will wait for Lopez next schedules.

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[serjent05]

Not a robbery and Martin is just doing what he thinks is good, he doesn't want that engagement knowing that Lopez can really take him down
if he will give him that chance.

Martin had a good start but fell short on aggressiveness.  The judge saw Teofimo Lopez is more eager to win the fight by being aggressive the whole fight. 

He just moves according to how he see that he has some chance of winning, but the judges give the win to Lopez
as he converts more and he's really aggressive.

Yeah Teofimo is way more aggressive and launched more volume of punches.  Martin strategy is to counter Teofimo punches  but everytime they clash, Teofimo seems to negate those counters in the later rounds giving him more scoring punches than Martin

Nothing to say, a win is still a win and we will wait for Lopez next schedules.

It was close but it is obvious that Lopez really won that fight.

[YuginKadoya]

Now Moving forward and this fight is about to happen on December 13,  and I was really anticipating it, on how great Naoya Inoue can become upon destroying Nonito Donaire again, so here is the event

Inoue vs. Butler

Tuesday 12.13.2022 at 02:30 AM ET
Ownership: Akihiko Honda
Venue: Ariake Arena
Location: Tokyo, Japan



MAIN EVENT

Undisputed Bantamweight Title
Naoya Inoue VS Paul Butler

CO-MAIN EVENT

WBO Asia Pacific Super Lightweight Title
Andy Hiraoka VS Min Ho Jung

MAIN CARD

OPBF Super Bantamweight Title
Yoshiki Takei VS Bruno Tarimo

Peter McGrail VS Hironori Miyake
Takuma Inoue VS Jake Bornea

OPBF Featherweight Title
Satoshi Shimizu VS Landy Cris Leon

All information was from TAPOLOGY

[Jawhead999]

Now Moving forward and this fight is about to happen on December 13,  and I was really anticipating it, on how great Naoya Inoue can become upon destroying Nonito Donaire again, so here is the event

Inoue vs. Butler

There's a thread about this match, it was created since August [Boxing] Naoya Inoue vs Paul Butler - Undisputed Bantamweight Bout - December 13

The latest discussion is about the odds where it's not worth it to bet winning method option because Inoue will obviously win via KO. So it's better if we bet on the winner & round range option, for me it's either Inoue & 1-3 or Inoue & 4-6. But since the odds for Inoue & 1-3 is small, I will take a risk to bet Inoue & 4-6.

[YuginKadoya]

Now Moving forward and this fight is about to happen on December 13,  and I was really anticipating it, on how great Naoya Inoue can become upon destroying Nonito Donaire again, so here is the event

Inoue vs. Butler

There's a thread about this match, it was created since August [Boxing] Naoya Inoue vs Paul Butler - Undisputed Bantamweight Bout - December 13

The latest discussion is about the odds where it's not worth it to bet winning method option because Inoue will obviously win via KO. So it's better if we bet on the winner & round range option, for me it's either Inoue & 1-3 or Inoue & 4-6. But since the odds for Inoue & 1-3 is small, I will take a risk to bet Inoue & 4-6.

But I think this is still valid for people that don't know that there is a thread, but maybe I will provide a link to the thread for that fight but the full event is nowhere to be found on that thread, like the fight of Naoya Inoue's brother Takuma Inoue VS Jake Bornea, where the opponent of Naoya Inoue's brother is a Filipino, for me that will be a great fight because Jake Bornea may surprise Takuma, but yes Takuma Inoue like his brother should not be underestimated, another one is the match for the OPBF Featherweight Title belt, and that will be Satoshi Shimizu VS Landy Cris Leon, and for this fight, I am having my doubts on Landy Cris Leon, if he's able to withstand against Shimizu, and if that box record correct, he got 14 wins 21 losses and 5 draws?

[btc_angela]

And with this Teo Lopez win, he will be the 2nd mandatory fighter and will probably waiting for the winner of Prograis vs Ramirez. This is a new territory for Lopez and there is no going back and it will be harder for him moving forward. Yes, he won but it seems that he was exposed by Martin as well. But for sure he will be respected if he can beat any of the belt champion right now. But as per Martin, Lopez might find it difficult against Prograis because Regis is a harder puncher. But we will see, let's wait for the result of Prograis vs Ramirez first or even Taylor vs Catterall rematch in this division.

[Baofeng]

And with this Teo Lopez win, he will be the 2nd mandatory fighter and will probably waiting for the winner of Prograis vs Ramirez. This is a new territory for Lopez and there is no going back and it will be harder for him moving forward. Yes, he won but it seems that he was exposed by Martin as well. But for sure he will be respected if he can beat any of the belt champion right now. But as per Martin, Lopez might find it difficult against Prograis because Regis is a harder puncher. But we will see, let's wait for the result of Prograis vs Ramirez first or even Taylor vs Catterall rematch in this division.

Prograis is a nightmare match up for anyone at 140 lbs, although he lost to Josh Taylor, it was a very close and hard fought match, others score it a draw (including myself). So I don't think Lopez could win against the top dog in this division. Maybe he will have a difficult time against Catterall if they fought.

And then he became the mandatory, and should be waiting for the winner of the Prograis vs. Ramirez. And if there's no boxing politics between, then this fight could be made, either winner though will be a very exciting match up for Lopez.

[YuginKadoya]

And with this Teo Lopez win, he will be the 2nd mandatory fighter and will probably waiting for the winner of Prograis vs Ramirez. This is a new territory for Lopez and there is no going back and it will be harder for him moving forward. Yes, he won but it seems that he was exposed by Martin as well. But for sure he will be respected if he can beat any of the belt champion right now. But as per Martin, Lopez might find it difficult against Prograis because Regis is a harder puncher. But we will see, let's wait for the result of Prograis vs Ramirez first or even Taylor vs Catterall rematch in this division.

That Knockout from Sandor Martin I really thought it was just a graze it was scored as a Knockout by the referee, you can see that Sandor Martin just exposes Teofimo Lopez Martin did a great job but the cut from his nose might be unbearable but Teofimo Lopez would need to rally some points so he can make up for that bad performance on the beginning of the round it was a split decision a close call for Lopez and regarding this fight he will have a hard time of his career moving forward, that is for sure,

Prograis is a nightmare match up for anyone at 140 lbs, although he lost to Josh Taylor, it was a very close and hard fought match, others score it a draw (including myself). So I don't think Lopez could win against the top dog in this division. Maybe he will have a difficult time against Catterall if they fought.

And then he became the mandatory, and should be waiting for the winner of the Prograis vs. Ramirez. And if there's no boxing politics between, then this fight could be made, either winner though will be a very exciting match up for Lopez.

with only 1 loss in this division, Regis Prograis is really a nightmare, for Teofimo Lopez but knowing Lopez he would surely take this on he really wants this badly, in getting much division and turn himself into a legend he needs this fight, for sure he still not in the middle of what he is after, and he doesn't have much time because like another boxer ring rust is the enemy of many boxers and fighters so they need to push through, but yes it will be a big challenge for Teofimo Lopez and this is also for his career,

[serjent05]

And with this Teo Lopez win, he will be the 2nd mandatory fighter and will probably waiting for the winner of Prograis vs Ramirez. This is a new territory for Lopez and there is no going back and it will be harder for him moving forward. Yes, he won but it seems that he was exposed by Martin as well. But for sure he will be respected if he can beat any of the belt champion right now. But as per Martin, Lopez might find it difficult against Prograis because Regis is a harder puncher. But we will see, let's wait for the result of Prograis vs Ramirez first or even Taylor vs Catterall rematch in this division.

Prograis is a nightmare match up for anyone at 140 lbs, although he lost to Josh Taylor, it was a very close and hard fought match, others score it a draw (including myself). So I don't think Lopez could win against the top dog in this division. Maybe he will have a difficult time against Catterall if they fought.

Prograis seems a tough boxer that can fight toe to toe, his toughness is his advantage against Teofimo Lopez, so I have the same opinion that Lopez will be having a hard time against Prograis.  And if ever Lopez decided to confront Prograis and had an exchange of blows, there is a higher percentage that Lopez will kiss the canvas.

And then he became the mandatory, and should be waiting for the winner of the Prograis vs. Ramirez. And if there's no boxing politics between, then this fight could be made, either winner though will be a very exciting match up for Lopez.

Hopefully, there is none (politics) on this one or the camp or Lopez evading the winner of that fight.

[inthelongrun]

Prograis is a nightmare match up for anyone at 140 lbs, although he lost to Josh Taylor, it was a very close and hard fought match, others score it a draw (including myself). So I don't think Lopez could win against the top dog in this division. Maybe he will have a difficult time against Catterall if they fought.

And then he became the mandatory, and should be waiting for the winner of the Prograis vs. Ramirez. And if there's no boxing politics between, then this fight could be made, either winner though will be a very exciting match up for Lopez.

with only 1 loss in this division, Regis Prograis is really a nightmare, for Teofimo Lopez but knowing Lopez he would surely take this on he really wants this badly, in getting much division and turn himself into a legend he needs this fight, for sure he still not in the middle of what he is after, and he doesn't have much time because like another boxer ring rust is the enemy of many boxers and fighters so they need to push through, but yes it will be a big challenge for Teofimo Lopez and this is also for his career,

I have to admit that I missed watching that Taylor-Prograis unification bout nor did I watch a full replay. Highlights can be biased to judge a fight. Gone are the days when I cannot miss good match-ups, especially a unification fight between 2 undefeated fighters. I did take a look at the punch stats and I was surprised that Prograis was winning it easily.

I also do not see Teofimo Lopez winning against Prograis. Prograis is not that skilled but his power can either score a KO or change a tempo of a fight. Bob Arum will try to make it safe for Teofimo. All the top names in 140 belong to Top Rank anyways except Prograis whose promoter seems willing to work with any promoters and networks. Maybe Bob will allow Ramirez to fight Prograis. If Ramirez wins it could be a fight with Teofimo but if Prograis wins, I doubt Bob will do that. I even doubt Ramirez will face Prograis since they are looking forward to the WBO belt which will either become vacant or face Catterall.   

[danherbias07]

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I was late to put my bets. I got used to watching boxing games early morning in my timeline, big mistake.
Just finished checking the highlights and I saw Inoue won in round 11. Wow.
The first undisputed bantamweight champion in 4 different divisions. Super amazing. This will be a record that is difficult to break. It may take a while before we can witness another boxer that will surpass this kind of achievement.

The hand behind the back is one of the good highlights of the fight.
Now, what's next for him? He said he will decide after he take that last belt. Super Bantamweight maybe?

[Dave1]

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I was late to put my bets. I got used to watching boxing games early morning in my timeline, big mistake.
Just finished checking the highlights and I saw Inoue won in round 11. Wow.
The first undisputed bantamweight champion in 4 different divisions. Super amazing. This will be a record that is difficult to break. It may take a while before we can witness another boxer that will surpass this kind of achievement.

The hand behind the back is one of the good highlights of the fight.
Now, what's next for him? He said he will decide after he take that last belt. Super Bantamweight maybe?

He will obviously go to super bantamweight next. But before anything, we should give credit to Butler, I mean he survived the fight almost. He did his homework circling around and trying to avoid Inoue's power.

But Inoue's was expecting this so he look for the body first and when Butler is weaken, he goes in the head and when Butler goes down, he can't recover in time and the body shot took a toll on him.

[Fredomago]

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I was late to put my bets. I got used to watching boxing games early morning in my timeline, big mistake.
Just finished checking the highlights and I saw Inoue won in round 11. Wow.
The first undisputed bantamweight champion in 4 different divisions. Super amazing. This will be a record that is difficult to break. It may take a while before we can witness another boxer that will surpass this kind of achievement.

The hand behind the back is one of the good highlights of the fight.
Now, what's next for him? He said he will decide after he take that last belt. Super Bantamweight maybe?

He will obviously go to super bantamweight next. But before anything, we should give credit to Butler, I mean he survived the fight almost. He did his homework circling around and trying to avoid Inoue's power.

But Inoue's was expecting this so he look for the body first and when Butler is weaken, he goes in the head and when Butler goes down, he can't recover in time and the body shot took a toll on him.

Wow, Butler almost survived and forced the fight to decide. A big credit to this champ who did his homework avoiding a toe-to-toe engagement, making sure that even he loses his belt it won't be an easy take for Inoue. A win is still a win, and it's a KO which most of the fans are expecting coming from the monster, another great achievement unifying all the belts from this division.

We don't know what will be the plan, let Inoue enjoy and celebrate along the way his camp will announce what's will be the next
step, either to continue defending his belts or move up and start chasing new belt/s.

[yazher]

We don't know what will be the plan, let Inoue enjoy and celebrate along the way his camp will announce what's will be the next
step, either to continue defending his belts or move up and start chasing new belt/s.

Yeah! that was an amazing victory and in just a short period of time, he was able to unite all bantamweight belts for himself. To finish it with a knockout in round 11, was really a history and a moment to be proud of for the Japanese people.

I don't think he will gonna fight anyone so soon after this one because obviously he deserves a long rest after this personal achievement and the boxing association probably will affirm that. It was always nice to watch him win every fight and it will be more fun when he climbs to the upper division and continues to dominate fighters up there.

[Getmon]

We don't know what will be the plan, let Inoue enjoy and celebrate along the way his camp will announce what's will be the next
step, either to continue defending his belts or move up and start chasing new belt/s.

Yeah! that was an amazing victory and in just a short period of time, he was able to unite all bantamweight belts for himself. To finish it with a knockout in round 11, was really a history and a moment to be proud of for the Japanese people.

I don't think he will gonna fight anyone so soon after this one because obviously he deserves a long rest after this personal achievement and the boxing association probably will affirm that. It was always nice to watch him win every fight and it will be more fun when he climbs to the upper division and continues to dominate fighters up there.

Even though Butler made it to the eleventh round, Inoue won the fight easily. Does Butler ever win a single round in the match up? When Inoue started to use his speed and inflicted his power, Butler became so defensive. Inoue even attempted to simultaneously lower his hands so that Butler could attack but also lower his defense. Japan and Inoue had a fantastic evening.

Inoue through an interpreter said that he is now thinking about moving up to super bantamweight. 

[Kasabus]

And with this Teo Lopez win, he will be the 2nd mandatory fighter and will probably waiting for the winner of Prograis vs Ramirez. This is a new territory for Lopez and there is no going back and it will be harder for him moving forward. Yes, he won but it seems that he was exposed by Martin as well. But for sure he will be respected if he can beat any of the belt champion right now. But as per Martin, Lopez might find it difficult against Prograis because Regis is a harder puncher. But we will see, let's wait for the result of Prograis vs Ramirez first or even Taylor vs Catterall rematch in this division.

Prograis is a nightmare match up for anyone at 140 lbs, although he lost to Josh Taylor, it was a very close and hard fought match, others score it a draw (including myself). So I don't think Lopez could win against the top dog in this division. Maybe he will have a difficult time against Catterall if they fought.

And then he became the mandatory, and should be waiting for the winner of the Prograis vs. Ramirez. And if there's no boxing politics between, then this fight could be made, either winner though will be a very exciting match up for Lopez.

Either Prograis or Ramirez, it will be a tough fight for Lopez. I know it's still premature to have my take but I think Prograis will prevail in this fight than the latter because he's more technical and do have a good IQ in the ring. I know both of them fell short when they fought against Taylor but Prograis-Taylor fight was quite close rather than it was with Ramirez.

Anyway, back on Teo Lopez. He should start improving soon because Sandor Martin gave the top dogs some hint how to engage his weakness. It will be tough for sure but he need to endure it if he still wanted to be named as one of the champions in super lightweight division.

[Vaculin]

There were reports that surface saying that Spence is involved in another vehicular accident.

The undefeated WBA/WBC/IBF welterweight champion was the victim in a two-vehicle accident Saturday evening at an undisclosed location in the greater Dallas area. Spence’s SUV was hit head-on by an underage and unlicensed driver who ran a red light.  

https://www.boxingscene.com/errol-spence-involved-accident-car-totaled-being-struck-by-underage-unlicensed-driver--171075

He was not hurt but complain about his legs though, but at least he is safe now.

Don't know what's with Spence that this is the second time that he is involved in this kind of accident. Although this one he is the victim, but still, could be a career ending injuries for him. The driver is underage and doesn't have any license, ouch.

Not the 2nd time, this is his 3rd car crash.

I don't know what's with Errol Spence Jr. but it seems to me that he is a magnet to streets when it comes to accidents and for that, he should ought to have a personal driver to drive him whenever he wanted to go or to run for his errands. He shouldn't be driving around solo because his talents will go to waste if his legs or arm will be harmed badly. Good thing that he is already safe, but those legs tho, he's saying that it hurts badly.

Thanks for the correction, yeah, same question as well, he is like a magnet for any vehicular accident waiting to happen hehehe.

Yeah, that legs is very important to a boxer too, that's how they dance, the move with their legs. Anyone see Manny Pacquiao's massive lower leg? that's where he got his power. So if a boxer doesn't have good legs most likely he can't hold himself and every time someone touches them in the chin they can easily go down.

Hopefully Spence case is different and he can recover his legs from this accident.

Yes, indeed! Aside from where they are getting their form when giving strong punches, those legs are the ones who acts as stronghold when they are receiving heavy punches too especially the ones you stated. Without those good legs, these boxers are easy to defeat. Hopefully Spence will be okay in a matter of days and it's not that really serious.

Still no news on their upcoming fight, don't know what's the hold up. Both camps should be ready to finish the dialogue much sooner to give their boxer's good time to prepare.

[mirakal]

We don't know what will be the plan, let Inoue enjoy and celebrate along the way his camp will announce what's will be the next
step, either to continue defending his belts or move up and start chasing new belt/s.

Yeah! that was an amazing victory and in just a short period of time, he was able to unite all bantamweight belts for himself. To finish it with a knockout in round 11, was really a history and a moment to be proud of for the Japanese people.

I don't think he will gonna fight anyone so soon after this one because obviously he deserves a long rest after this personal achievement and the boxing association probably will affirm that. It was always nice to watch him win every fight and it will be more fun when he climbs to the upper division and continues to dominate fighters up there.

Even though Butler made it to the eleventh round, Inoue won the fight easily. Does Butler ever win a single round in the match up? When Inoue started to use his speed and inflicted his power, Butler became so defensive. Inoue even attempted to simultaneously lower his hands so that Butler could attack but also lower his defense. Japan and Inoue had a fantastic evening.

Inoue through an interpreter said that he is now thinking about moving up to super bantamweight. 

It's predicted to be that way but nobody knew that the fight will reach as far as Round 11, most of the bettors and fans calculated that 6-8 rounds will be enough for Inoue to box Butler and defeat him but the unexpected happened because the latter weathered all those strong punches until the 11th round came and his defense gave him up. Nevertheless, it was a good fight although it will be more interesting if Butler at least gave a few good combinations but he didn't.

Congratulations to the 1st undisputed boxer of the Bantamweight division, Naoya Inoue!

[danherbias07]

He will obviously go to super bantamweight next. But before anything, we should give credit to Butler, I mean he survived the fight almost. He did his homework circling around and trying to avoid Inoue's power.

But Inoue's was expecting this so he look for the body first and when Butler is weaken, he goes in the head and when Butler goes down, he can't recover in time and the body shot took a toll on him.

Yeah, much respect for his enormous effort as he really tried to find a way to win it. It's just that, we can see the difference in the last rounds of the fight, he is slowing down due to the invested body shots by Inoue, but somehow it profited in the end.
Time for Inoue to go to the higher division, there is nothing more to prove about where he is now, the majority does approve he is the undisputed champion.

We don't know what will be the plan, let Inoue enjoy and celebrate along the way his camp will announce what's will be the next
step, either to continue defending his belts or move up and start chasing new belt/s.

I like the latter. Try to dominate new divisions and put his name where it will not be forgotten. New fighters mean new challenging goals and it's one of the big questions lurking around if he can do the same thing as what he did now.

[TravelMug]

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I was late to put my bets. I got used to watching boxing games early morning in my timeline, big mistake.
Just finished checking the highlights and I saw Inoue won in round 11. Wow.
The first undisputed bantamweight champion in 4 different divisions. Super amazing. This will be a record that is difficult to break. It may take a while before we can witness another boxer that will surpass this kind of achievement.

The hand behind the back is one of the good highlights of the fight.
Now, what's next for him? He said he will decide after he take that last belt. Super Bantamweight maybe?

He will obviously go to super bantamweight next. But before anything, we should give credit to Butler, I mean he survived the fight almost. He did his homework circling around and trying to avoid Inoue's power.

But Inoue's was expecting this so he look for the body first and when Butler is weaken, he goes in the head and when Butler goes down, he can't recover in time and the body shot took a toll on him.

Wow, Butler almost survived and forced the fight to decide. A big credit to this champ who did his homework avoiding a toe-to-toe engagement, making sure that even he loses his belt it won't be an easy take for Inoue. A win is still a win, and it's a KO which most of the fans are expecting coming from the monster, another great achievement unifying all the belts from this division.

We don't know what will be the plan, let Inoue enjoy and celebrate along the way his camp will announce what's will be the next
step, either to continue defending his belts or move up and start chasing new belt/s.

Yes, I think him and his team are celebrating this huge accomplishment, to unify all the belts in the modern 4 world belt in the bantamweight division. For sure his fans are loving tos see how Inoue win, he didn't force the knock down early and he shows patience

Now it makes it more exciting to see him climbing up to the super bantamweight as all the 122 lbs are more welcome to see him in their division.