Boxing Speculation, Odds and Predictions

[chaser15]

Furthermore, he is not that behind as well in the rankings at 118 lbs and considering that he was a former reigning champion, he still have every right to call and fight the champions thus he knew that he will still attract audiences around the world and for that, organizers will always agree with him. Just like now, he is getting favored to participate one of Inoue's vacated belts.

No need for any call or push on some negotiations by the Donaire's camp. It was ordered and pre-approved.

Nonito Donaire is automatically a mandatory fighter or challenger for the WBC Bantamweight title once Naoya Inoue will moved up. Jason Moloney is ranked 1st behind Inoue in the WBC and Donaire is on the 2nd. Since Inoue left the game at the Bantamweight, that automatically mandate Moloney and Donaire to fight for the title as they ranked 1st and 2nd in the WBC respectively.

I don't understand some people on social media stating that Donaire needs to retire now when there's still a big opportunity that he is getting right now even at 40 years of age. If Donaire isn't on the top rankings, I doubt he will still be in the title contender discussion right now.

[Baofeng]

And yet we have another postponement of the Josh Taylor vs Jack Catterall rematch.

It has been reported by ESPN @MikeCoppinger



https://twitter.com/MikeCoppinger/status/1616854497321426945

So another delay for this much anticipated rematch, if some of you guys are not familiar, it was very close fight in the their first meeting that majority thinks that Jack Catterall might have scored a upset here. Scores where  112-113 (Catterall), 114-111 (Taylor), 113-112 (Taylor), at least it could have been draw and better yet, Jack winning. So the rematch has been set this March, however, as reported, Taylor suffered a foot injury and it will require many weeks to heal. Let's wait if Catterall will take a get busy fight or wait for Taylor again.

[Jawhead999]

So another delay for this much anticipated rematch, if some of you guys are not familiar, it was very close fight in the their first meeting that majority thinks that Jack Catterall might have scored a upset here. Scores where  112-113 (Catterall), 114-111 (Taylor), 113-112 (Taylor), at least it could have been draw and better yet, Jack winning. So the rematch has been set this March, however, as reported, Taylor suffered a foot injury and it will require many weeks to heal. Let's wait if Catterall will take a get busy fight or wait for Taylor again.

The judge who scored 114-111 favor in Taylor is clearly robbed, their first fight should be draw, I had think Catterall should pull an upset, but Taylor isn't really that bad too. Taylor was a good boxer since he's collecting every belt in light welterweight division and now he's become undisputed champion, but now it seems many people are overestimating him.

The bad thing is Catterall doesn't have enough power to knock out Taylor, so even Catterall is dominating in every rounds, I wouldn't surprised if he win in split decision, not unanimous decision.

[btc_angela]

So another delay for this much anticipated rematch, if some of you guys are not familiar, it was very close fight in the their first meeting that majority thinks that Jack Catterall might have scored a upset here. Scores where  112-113 (Catterall), 114-111 (Taylor), 113-112 (Taylor), at least it could have been draw and better yet, Jack winning. So the rematch has been set this March, however, as reported, Taylor suffered a foot injury and it will require many weeks to heal. Let's wait if Catterall will take a get busy fight or wait for Taylor again.

The judge who scored 114-111 favor in Taylor is clearly robbed, their first fight should be draw, I had think Catterall should pull an upset, but Taylor isn't really that bad too. Taylor was a good boxer since he's collecting every belt in light welterweight division and now he's become undisputed champion, but now it seems many people are overestimating him.

The bad thing is Catterall doesn't have enough power to knock out Taylor, so even Catterall is dominating in every rounds, I wouldn't surprised if he win in split decision, not unanimous decision.

Yeah, I do agree that one judge who scored 114-111 is clearly watching a different fight. And if could really go on the way for Catterall in the first fight. But as you have said, he doesn't have the knockout power, so in a very close round, the judges are going to put the score into the champion.

So if he is going to win, it should be in very dominating fashion.

But it seems that Taylor is ready and what to proved that he just had a bad night in that fight and that he will 10 out of 10 against Jack Catterall.

[YuginKadoya]

We really can't understand because we are not in their shoes.  There are reasons and it is possible that the boxer feels that he can still rock and beat opponents younger than his age.  The boxer might possibly overestimate himself or underestimate his opponent.  But I believe the aged boxer is just depending his action according to the condition of his body.

I am sure there are guidelines and tests the boxer's camp conduct before deciding anything and I believe Donaire passed them all. Donaire isn't just fighting for money alone but he is trying to bag a 5 division champion before he retires.

I totally agreed, Nonito Donaire is the only one that can surely tell if he can not continue to fight anymore but if he likes to still fight then we can not do something about it, it is his body and he can surely do whatever he wants with it, but for sure if he is ready to retire just like Manny Pacquaio he will surely officially retired for sure, it is just that he doesn't believe that he was beaten by younger fighter and maybe he wants a better title before he could call it enough, a lot of speculation on what is his true motive in keeping the fight in him, but for sure he is the only one pretty much knows what he is doing,

No need for any call or push on some negotiations by the Donaire's camp. It was ordered and pre-approved.

Nonito Donaire is automatically a mandatory fighter or challenger for the WBC Bantamweight title once Naoya Inoue will moved up. Jason Moloney is ranked 1st behind Inoue in the WBC and Donaire is on the 2nd. Since Inoue left the game at the Bantamweight, that automatically mandate Moloney and Donaire to fight for the title as they ranked 1st and 2nd in the WBC respectively.

I don't understand some people on social media stating that Donaire needs to retire now when there's still a big opportunity that he is getting right now even at 40 years of age. If Donaire isn't on the top rankings, I doubt he will still be in the title contender discussion right now.

Age surely can not stop someone from what he really loves to do, and the same mindset is really good for those who want to achieve things in their life, and never back down from any challenges, and despite his loss to Naoya Inoue his perseverance to get something is still there, I think all people that are saying that Donaire should stop and retired they need motivation and needs to learn perseverance is needed to achieve anyone goals,

for me, Nonito Donaire is on the right path, if he doesn't back down to what he really wants I think he could achieve it and I think Nonito Donaire needs a little support from his fellow Filipino's so he doesn't have any negative thoughts running and ruining his goal,

[Fredomago]

So another delay for this much anticipated rematch, if some of you guys are not familiar, it was very close fight in the their first meeting that majority thinks that Jack Catterall might have scored a upset here. Scores where  112-113 (Catterall), 114-111 (Taylor), 113-112 (Taylor), at least it could have been draw and better yet, Jack winning. So the rematch has been set this March, however, as reported, Taylor suffered a foot injury and it will require many weeks to heal. Let's wait if Catterall will take a get busy fight or wait for Taylor again.

The judge who scored 114-111 favor in Taylor is clearly robbed, their first fight should be draw, I had think Catterall should pull an upset, but Taylor isn't really that bad too. Taylor was a good boxer since he's collecting every belt in light welterweight division and now he's become undisputed champion, but now it seems many people are overestimating him.

The bad thing is Catterall doesn't have enough power to knock out Taylor, so even Catterall is dominating in every rounds, I wouldn't surprised if he win in split decision, not unanimous decision.

Yeah, I do agree that one judge who scored 114-111 is clearly watching a different fight. And if could really go on the way for Catterall in the first fight. But as you have said, he doesn't have the knockout power, so in a very close round, the judges are going to put the score into the champion.

So if he is going to win, it should be in very dominating fashion.

But it seems that Taylor is ready and what to proved that he just had a bad night in that fight and that he will 10 out of 10 against Jack Catterall.

We can see that way since the two other judges' scores a close one while this other judge seen it differently, we might see the rematch being more interesting as both fighters already taste the power of each other the adjustment will be there. I'm pretty sure that both camps see opportunities to improve and they will try to take it as an advantage once the rematch takes place.

Taylor's condition is questionable, while Catterall can use the time to train harder or he can take a different fight before having the rematch.

[danherbias07]

I know that someone here might point out that I skip the Naoya Inoue vs Nonito Donaire II.

The reason should be obvious, mate. I didn't include that rematch because there's already an adjustment, especially with Inoue.

Inoue is far way better than Moloney therefore, your analysis referring to Inoue won't be the same as Moloney fighting a 39-year-old Donaire.

I agree with you though at the stamina concern and Donaire's camp should be already aware of that.

I didn't include the rematch too as I know it won't be right for comparison. Now, all we have to see is how far Donaire can go this time against a different boxer. His record is still good back in 2021 with two KO wins against Reymart Gaballo and Nordine Oubaali until the rematch happened where he lost again, maybe he thought there will be a difference when he battles Inoue again after gaining his confidence back on those two wins. But, Inoue is in his prime so he cannot fulfill whatever is going on in his mind.
My own conclusion is I think this will be a good fight. KO possibility if Donaire will be aggressive but if Maloney uses the time it could go UD with him winning while Donaire lacks air.

[bisdak40]

Age surely can not stop someone from what he really loves to do, and the same mindset is really good for those who want to achieve things in their life, and never back down from any challenges, and despite his loss to Naoya Inoue his perseverance to get something is still there, I think all people that are saying that Donaire should stop and retired they need motivation and needs to learn perseverance is needed to achieve anyone goals,

for me, Nonito Donaire is on the right path, if he doesn't back down to what he really wants I think he could achieve it and I think Nonito Donaire needs a little support from his fellow Filipino's so he doesn't have any negative thoughts running and ruining his goal,

If you are a follower/fan of Nonito, surely you will notice his strengths and weakness. He lost to Magdaleno and Walters which are a big opponents or in other words, more or less have the same height with him. If you notice also that he defeated fighters like Arce, Montiel, Darchinyan and Oubaali which were small compared to him. The good thing with Nonito is that he always have a good conditioning going into a fight may it be for super flyweight or bantamweight and never have trouble making the scales so if he were to fight Moloney for the WBC bantamweight title, for sure he have a good chance of capturing the belt because of his physical attributes or let us say, height advantage.

[Botnake]

Age surely can not stop someone from what he really loves to do, and the same mindset is really good for those who want to achieve things in their life, and never back down from any challenges, and despite his loss to Naoya Inoue his perseverance to get something is still there, I think all people that are saying that Donaire should stop and retired they need motivation and needs to learn perseverance is needed to achieve anyone goals,

for me, Nonito Donaire is on the right path, if he doesn't back down to what he really wants I think he could achieve it and I think Nonito Donaire needs a little support from his fellow Filipino's so he doesn't have any negative thoughts running and ruining his goal,

If you are a follower/fan of Nonito, surely you will notice his strengths and weakness. He lost to Magdaleno and Walters which are a big opponents or in other words, more or less have the same height with him. If you notice also that he defeated fighters like Arce, Montiel, Darchinyan and Oubaali which were small compared to him. The good thing with Nonito is that he always have a good conditioning going into a fight may it be for super flyweight or bantamweight and never have trouble making the scales so if he were to fight Moloney for the WBC bantamweight title, for sure he have a good chance of capturing the belt because of his physical attributes or let us say, height advantage.

I hope Nonito's age does not make him less effective. Moloney is not an undefeated fighter, he also lose to Inoue, so I would not say that Moloney has the advantage over Nonito because he is younger than Nonito. 32 years old vs 40 years old. Honestly, I like the chances of Nonito here because Maloney is not a KO artist unlike Inoue.

[Vaculin]

Furthermore, he is not that behind as well in the rankings at 118 lbs and considering that he was a former reigning champion, he still have every right to call and fight the champions thus he knew that he will still attract audiences around the world and for that, organizers will always agree with him. Just like now, he is getting favored to participate one of Inoue's vacated belts.

No need for any call or push on some negotiations by the Donaire's camp. It was ordered and pre-approved.

Nonito Donaire is automatically a mandatory fighter or challenger for the WBC Bantamweight title once Naoya Inoue will moved up. Jason Moloney is ranked 1st behind Inoue in the WBC and Donaire is on the 2nd. Since Inoue left the game at the Bantamweight, that automatically mandate Moloney and Donaire to fight for the title as they ranked 1st and 2nd in the WBC respectively.

I don't understand some people on social media stating that Donaire needs to retire now when there's still a big opportunity that he is getting right now even at 40 years of age. If Donaire isn't on the top rankings, I doubt he will still be in the title contender discussion right now.

True, the WBC got a strong basis why they put Nonito Donaire up against Jason Moloney for the said vacated belt and it's not just because of some other reasons that isn't related to why Donaire got the chance and not some other boxers down the line. So what if Donaire is already 40 years old? He is still showing some signs that he can still pull a good performance in the ring and his recent loss against Inoue is not the basis that he needed to retire because his time is done.

[boyptc]

Aside from that, just let Donaire do what he wants. As I mentioned, he might didn't see yet his limitation due to the fact that he fought an unstoppable monster. We can see if he was still that fierce once he faced another boxer aside from Inoue.

I agree.

Let him do what makes him happy and he's a true boxer because his passion for the sport is never gone despite his most recent loss against the monster for the rematch that he has asked for.

Both camps are happy, Naoya will have a bout on May and then Donaire just need to wait a bit for the official fight.

No one can stop him as long as there are people who still want to watch him. He is right, Inoue is just exceptional, he cannot beat him but he was able to give him a tough fight on their first meeting. Maybe now that Inoue is out on his division, Donaire surely thinks that his chance is very high of becoming a champion again.

There is no doubt that fans will still love him to watch.

Since the monster is out of the same division, we may see him dominate it but I don't want to be sure as of now until the fight happens and ends.

For now, we're good with discussions and talks about the possibilities of his career and where it is going. But one thing before his retirement, he don't want to end it with a lose.

[BitcoinPanther]

Aside from that, just let Donaire do what he wants. As I mentioned, he might didn't see yet his limitation due to the fact that he fought an unstoppable monster. We can see if he was still that fierce once he faced another boxer aside from Inoue.

I agree.

Let him do what makes him happy and he's a true boxer because his passion for the sport is never gone despite his most recent loss against the monster for the rematch that he has asked for.

Both camps are happy, Naoya will have a bout on May and then Donaire just need to wait a bit for the official fight.

No one can stop him as long as there are people who still want to watch him. He is right, Inoue is just exceptional, he cannot beat him but he was able to give him a tough fight on their first meeting. Maybe now that Inoue is out on his division, Donaire surely thinks that his chance is very high of becoming a champion again.

There is no doubt that fans will still love him to watch.

True, I still wanted to see Donaire dance on the ring.  Even though the flash has aged, a fan will still be a fan, and wanted his supported boxer to see fighting and winning in the ring again.

Since the monster is out of the same division, we may see him dominate it but I don't want to be sure as of now until the fight happens and ends.

For now, we're good with discussions and talks about the possibilities of his career and where it is going. But one thing before his retirement, he don't want to end it with a lose.

I am still hesitant whether Inoue will dominate the 122 lbs unless he beats Casimero.  You can win the belt but unless you beat all the possible contender, there is no way to say that a boxer dominates that weight category since there is still 1 what if that is left which cause doubt in the mind of the boxing fans.

[Baofeng]

Age surely can not stop someone from what he really loves to do, and the same mindset is really good for those who want to achieve things in their life, and never back down from any challenges, and despite his loss to Naoya Inoue his perseverance to get something is still there, I think all people that are saying that Donaire should stop and retired they need motivation and needs to learn perseverance is needed to achieve anyone goals,

for me, Nonito Donaire is on the right path, if he doesn't back down to what he really wants I think he could achieve it and I think Nonito Donaire needs a little support from his fellow Filipino's so he doesn't have any negative thoughts running and ruining his goal,

If you are a follower/fan of Nonito, surely you will notice his strengths and weakness. He lost to Magdaleno and Walters which are a big opponents or in other words, more or less have the same height with him. If you notice also that he defeated fighters like Arce, Montiel, Darchinyan and Oubaali which were small compared to him. The good thing with Nonito is that he always have a good conditioning going into a fight may it be for super flyweight or bantamweight and never have trouble making the scales so if he were to fight Moloney for the WBC bantamweight title, for sure he have a good chance of capturing the belt because of his physical attributes or let us say, height advantage.

Right, specially on the Walters fight, if my memory serves me right, Donaire move up in weight and try to challenge Nicholas that time. But there is a huge difference as far as physical attributes it, Walters is bigger and taller and has more punching power.

Yup, that's one thing about Nonito, even at this age, his conditioning is superb and maybe the discipline too that's why he was able to got and reach this level when others have been retiring at age 40 while Donaire is still chasing his second reign as a bantamweight. Hopefully barring the issue with his promoter and Moloney's promoter, this fight can be made in the future.

[serjent05]

Age surely can not stop someone from what he really loves to do, and the same mindset is really good for those who want to achieve things in their life, and never back down from any challenges, and despite his loss to Naoya Inoue his perseverance to get something is still there, I think all people that are saying that Donaire should stop and retired they need motivation and needs to learn perseverance is needed to achieve anyone goals,

for me, Nonito Donaire is on the right path, if he doesn't back down to what he really wants I think he could achieve it and I think Nonito Donaire needs a little support from his fellow Filipino's so he doesn't have any negative thoughts running and ruining his goal,

If you are a follower/fan of Nonito, surely you will notice his strengths and weakness. He lost to Magdaleno and Walters which are a big opponents or in other words, more or less have the same height with him. If you notice also that he defeated fighters like Arce, Montiel, Darchinyan and Oubaali which were small compared to him. The good thing with Nonito is that he always have a good conditioning going into a fight may it be for super flyweight or bantamweight and never have trouble making the scales so if he were to fight Moloney for the WBC bantamweight title, for sure he have a good chance of capturing the belt because of his physical attributes or let us say, height advantage.

Right, specially on the Walters fight, if my memory serves me right, Donaire move up in weight and try to challenge Nicholas that time. But there is a huge difference as far as physical attributes it, Walters is bigger and taller and has more punching power.

But during that fight, Donaire almost knocks Walters down, then after that, he gets too aggressive thinking that he can knock out Walters forgetting that Walters is also a knockout artist which Donaire paid a price and got KO instead. 

Yup, that's one thing about Nonito, even at this age, his conditioning is superb and maybe the discipline too that's why he was able to got and reach this level when others have been retiring at age 40 while Donaire is still chasing his second reign as a bantamweight. Hopefully barring the issue with his promoter and Moloney's promoter, this fight can be made in the future.

The only problem with Nonito Donaire is that when he falls in love with 1 punch KO disregarding his combination during the fight.  I think that is one of the flaw he should fix.

[harizen]

I am still hesitant whether Inoue will dominate the 122 lbs unless he beats Casimero.  You can win the belt but unless you beat all the possible contender, there is no way to say that a boxer dominates that weight category since there is still 1 what if that is left which cause doubt in the mind of the boxing fans.

Bantamweight and SuperBantamweight don't really have much of a big difference. Inoue has a big chance of dominating the 122 lbs.

But John Riel Casimero as a basis for it? That was a pure non-sense argument. I like our own Casimero to face Inoue in the future and will support him obviously but for him to consider a big threat to Inoue seems not appropriate. Blame their camp because Casimero wasn't able to get the chance of facing Inoue in the Bantamweight.

As I mentioned, for that Casimero to be included in the discussion again, he just needs to keep on winnings until being recognized and moved up the rankings. There are lots of tough boxers in the 122 lbs aside from Inoue and those current champions.

[Kemarit]

Anyone seen Liam Smith knocking out Chris Eubank in their fight his weekend? This is at a weight of 160 lbs and that is too much for Liam Smith if I'm not mistaken, but he surprises everyone when he knock out Eubank in just 4 rounds.

Now they are talking about a rematch and since Liam Smith has the leverage now, he wanted to fight at a catchweight of 157 lbs. At least this is closer to his fighting weight of 154 lbs.

[danherbias07]

I am still hesitant whether Inoue will dominate the 122 lbs unless he beats Casimero.  You can win the belt but unless you beat all the possible contender, there is no way to say that a boxer dominates that weight category since there is still 1 what if that is left which cause doubt in the mind of the boxing fans.

We will see, first fight will tell a lot of things about how much he might dominate the new weight class that he is in.
It's not like his camp will decide it blindly, I am sure he sparred with heavier fighters and they saw how he can still dominate them despite the difference in weight. And perhaps, it's also the best time while he is still young and even if he loses there will be a lot of time to recover, I bet Inoue really likes good competition and he doesn't see that anymore in bantamweight.
I can't imagine what this guy will do once he makes a record in super bantamweight as he did in the previous one. Will he climb higher weights again after he is done with this? That sure is something to look forward to.

[YuginKadoya]

If you are a follower/fan of Nonito, surely you will notice his strengths and weakness. He lost to Magdaleno and Walters which are a big opponents or in other words, more or less have the same height with him. If you notice also that he defeated fighters like Arce, Montiel, Darchinyan and Oubaali which were small compared to him. The good thing with Nonito is that he always have a good conditioning going into a fight may it be for super flyweight or bantamweight and never have trouble making the scales so if he were to fight Moloney for the WBC bantamweight title, for sure he have a good chance of capturing the belt because of his physical attributes or let us say, height advantage.

All I want for him now is a positive thought that he will achieve what he wants so he will not regret anything moving forward, I think that he had a rough time while defeated by the younger Naoya Inoue, you will also have the same feeling of regret that you didn't win that fight and in his 2nd attempt it was a total failure and he was now dominated by the younger opponent, I think he is still thinking his path, loosing to those fighters that are bigger than him, and winning against he smaller once, I think his mindset to continue is the one that is pushing him to go even further, for him I really wish him the best,


Right now we got a great fight coming this Saturday, and it is Beterbiev vs. Yarde fight here is the link for the Bitcointalk forum so you can discuss it in full details with some people that are interested with discussing the Main Event but here are the full fight for this event,



MAIN CARD

WBC, WBO, IBF World Light Heavyweight Title
Artur Beterbiev VS Anthony Yarde

CO-MAIN CARD

WBA World Flyweight Title
Artem Dalakian VS David Jimenez

MAIN CARD

WBO Inter-Continental Light Heavyweight Title
Willy Hutchinson VS Emil Markic

Umar Khan VS Sandeep Singh Bhatti
Charles Frankham VS Joshua Ocampo
Josh Frankham VS Joe Hardy
Sean Noakes VS Santiago Garces
Khalid Ali VS Ivica Gogosevic
Tommy Fletcher VS Darryl Sharp

WBC International Light Heavyweight Title
Karol Itauma VS Ezequiel Maderna

All information was from TAPOLOGY

[Baofeng]

Anyone seen Liam Smith knocking out Chris Eubank in their fight his weekend? This is at a weight of 160 lbs and that is too much for Liam Smith if I'm not mistaken, but he surprises everyone when he knock out Eubank in just 4 rounds.

Now they are talking about a rematch and since Liam Smith has the leverage now, he wanted to fight at a catchweight of 157 lbs. At least this is closer to his fighting weight of 154 lbs.

He was just caughtby Liam Smith perfectly, I initially thought that there are no power behind that, but obviously Eubank was hurt on the first punch that Liam landed on him, he tries to get up but Smith finishes him off. There are some controversial though before the fight and there are comments about by Smith on Chris and the BBBoC didn't take that lightly. I will just leave it to guys to look  that in youtube.

In any case, Eubank vs Benn might be delayed because of this upset, and obviously, Eubank is looking for a rematch but I doubt that he can make 157 lbs, he looks drain at 160 lbs already in my opinion. So it's going to be suicide for him if he fights in this rematch at 157 lbs catch weight.

[yazher]

I can't imagine what this guy will do once he makes a record in super bantamweight as he did in the previous one. Will he climb higher weights again after he is done with this? That sure is something to look forward to.

We want him to fully use his remaining time to conquer every division he is in and not to arrogantly spoil his moment like most boxers did when they were at the best time of their career. Inoue is really disciplined enough not to cause trouble and he will surely be the next pound-for-pound champion if he can also dominate his current weight division without a problem.

If only they can get to fight him against Casimero this year, it would be the best fight ever because he still needs to prove he wasn't afraid of him at all.