Boxing Speculation, Odds and Predictions

[chaser15]

^ Yes, Eddie Hearn wanted a Bivol vs Beterbiev and so is Bob Arum, so let's see how they are going to work it out.

Its just for now it's complicated as Bivol is targeting Canelo as well, either 168 or 175 lbs. And then Callum Smith is also coming into the horizon and also looking for a big payday against Beterbiev. We wait how the Smith vs Stepien result will be though, if he wins maybe Bivol is willing to fight him instead of waiting for Bivol.

Time is running out on Beterbiev though, I mean he is not getting any younger, if in two years, he didn't get Bivol it might be too late when the are going to face in the future and it might not be the fight that we are expecting for.

And so we might not see the unification fight in my opinion.

And they will have to go on their separate fight, Bivol vs Buatsi, Beterbiev vs Smith.

True, Beterbiev should not waste any more time as his power may slowly decline once he turns 40. I would like to see him have one more fight before a unification bout with Bivol, and after that, he can think about retiring if he fails. Speaking of Bivol, when do you think Canelo will have his rematch with Bivol?

As much as possible though, Beterbiev should fight Bivol next no matter what. Sick of this mandated title defense where in fact they can already set a deal for the much awaited undisputed fight in the Light Heavyweight between Beterbiev and Dmitry Bivol. Beterbiev also mentioned after his successful title defense against Yarde previously that he wants Bivol next.

About Canelo, he needs to adjust if he wants a rematch with Bivol. The adjustment would be, fighting Bivol at its weightclass and of course, Canelo should have a title at risk in order for Bivol to be interested fighting him. Not unless the boxing council assigned Bivol to mandatory fight Canelo but for me, it doesn't make sense for another title defense to either Bivol or Beterbiev.

[lionheart78]

As much as possible though, Beterbiev should fight Bivol next no matter what. Sick of this mandated title defense where in fact they can already set a deal for the much awaited undisputed fight in the Light Heavyweight between Beterbiev and Dmitry Bivol. Beterbiev also mentioned after his successful title defense against Yarde previously that he wants Bivol next.

I also want this fight to happen but honestly, I think Bivol will be the underdog in this fight.  I also think that Bivol has a smaller chance of winning unless Bivol can withstand Beterbiev's power punchs.

About Canelo, he needs to adjust if he wants a rematch with Bivol. The adjustment would be, fighting Bivol at its weightclass and of course, Canelo should have a title at risk in order for Bivol to be interested fighting him. Not unless the boxing council assigned Bivol to mandatory fight Canelo but for me, it doesn't make sense for another title defense to either Bivol or Beterbiev.

I think Canelo will have a hard time beating Bivol, Light heavyweight is too big for him.  We have seen the effect of gaining massive weight to Canelo when he fought Bivol.  Canelo become slower and his punch seems normal in that weight class.  So I think if Canelo wanted to win the fight, it should be in a catchweight.

[btc_angela]

As much as possible though, Beterbiev should fight Bivol next no matter what. Sick of this mandated title defense where in fact they can already set a deal for the much awaited undisputed fight in the Light Heavyweight between Beterbiev and Dmitry Bivol. Beterbiev also mentioned after his successful title defense against Yarde previously that he wants Bivol next.

I also want this fight to happen but honestly, I think Bivol will be the underdog in this fight.  I also think that Bivol has a smaller chance of winning unless Bivol can withstand Beterbiev's power punchs.

About Canelo, he needs to adjust if he wants a rematch with Bivol. The adjustment would be, fighting Bivol at its weightclass and of course, Canelo should have a title at risk in order for Bivol to be interested fighting him. Not unless the boxing council assigned Bivol to mandatory fight Canelo but for me, it doesn't make sense for another title defense to either Bivol or Beterbiev.

I think Canelo will have a hard time beating Bivol, Light heavyweight is too big for him.  We have seen the effect of gaining massive weight to Canelo when he fought Bivol.  Canelo become slower and his punch seems normal in that weight class.  So I think if Canelo wanted to win the fight, it should be in a catchweight.

They are not talking about a fighting Bivol at a catch weight, they wanted it to be in his best division with his the super middle weight at 168 lbs. I initially though that it is a joke because we haven't seen Bivol fighting at this division.

But apparently, Bivol is willing to go down to 168 lbs and fight Canelo as long as Alvarez is willing to put his belt on the line.

As for Bivol and Beterbiev, yes I do agree that Bivol will be the underdog.

[BitcoinAccepted]

Will we ever hear from the Iranian hulk again? Or maybe we should say Iranian dwarf. He made himself completely ridiculous last year for his performance in the stare down against Martin Ford. He then did another boxing match against an amateur boxer and lost there without a chance. Does anyone have any idea who was behind that Iranian hulk circus? It now appears that more and more boxers have used steroids. The Iranian hulk doesn't need that, he just uses Photoshop 

[cryptomaniac_xxx]

Will we ever hear from the Iranian hulk again? Or maybe we should say Iranian dwarf. He made himself completely ridiculous last year for his performance in the stare down against Martin Ford. He then did another boxing match against an amateur boxer and lost there without a chance. Does anyone have any idea who was behind that Iranian hulk circus? It now appears that more and more boxers have used steroids. The Iranian hulk doesn't need that, he just uses Photoshop 

I don't think that he is a boxer, for me it looks like he is a body builder but then he just ruined his physique by taking those steroids to accentuate his figure. And so when he enters the amateur or exhibitions matches, he was really exposed.

As for boxer taking drugs, we haven't heard anyone really taking some performance enhancing drugs, because it doesn't make sense for them to bulk up or gain muscle. Like in this case, it was just a false alarm.

[Baofeng]

Will we ever hear from the Iranian hulk again? Or maybe we should say Iranian dwarf. He made himself completely ridiculous last year for his performance in the stare down against Martin Ford. He then did another boxing match against an amateur boxer and lost there without a chance. Does anyone have any idea who was behind that Iranian hulk circus? It now appears that more and more boxers have used steroids. The Iranian hulk doesn't need that, he just uses Photoshop  

I can't comment on the Iranian Hulk as I haven't follow his career though.

I closely look at Benn case, I read from people who are close to him saying that it was a false positive. Even that time his opponent Chris Eubank Jr. can't believed that result.

And it's good that he is vindicated here, and the first thing that WBC did was strip him of his standings and now he is reinstated. Even Canelo was caught Clen in his system in the rematch with GGG, but again it was false positive. Reason for Benn to be positive is that he consumed two many eggs, while in Canelo, it was the Mexican Beef, which the cattlers feed with steroids so that this cow grow big and that's how the supposedly drugs went into Canelo's system. Even at the height of Pacquiao's ascend to boxing greatness, he was accused of taking drugs too, because no one believed that an Asian guy who started his campaign at 108 lbs and moved as high as 154 lbs and become a champion.

[harizen]

But apparently, Bivol is willing to go down to 168 lbs and fight Canelo as long as Alvarez is willing to put his belt on the line.

That makes sense since it's already clear from the start that Bivol will only take the rematch against Canelo with the belt on the line.

But I'm not aware of it honestly that Bivol is willing to go down. As far as my knowledge is concerned, it's Canelo's camp doing the run.

Regardless though, a fight with Beterbiev or Canelo is a good one for Bivol. Let's see.

[Yaunfitda]

But apparently, Bivol is willing to go down to 168 lbs and fight Canelo as long as Alvarez is willing to put his belt on the line.

That makes sense since it's already clear from the start that Bivol will only take the rematch against Canelo with the belt on the line.

But I'm not aware of it honestly that Bivol is willing to go down. As far as my knowledge is concerned, it's Canelo's camp doing the run.

Regardless though, a fight with Beterbiev or Canelo is a good one for Bivol. Let's see.

I just saw this one when trying to look for articles about Bivol wanting to go down to super MW weight class to get Alvarez,

“Of course it will be enough motivation for me to make 168,” Bivol told Boxing Social. “But I need to think about it more. I wasn’t 168 for many years. I didn’t make this weight. But if this fight is possible, OK , let’s talk about it. Let’s do it. I think I would be ready.” Bivol said in an interview with Boxing Social media. 

https://www.wbaboxing.com/boxing-news/bivol-willing-to-drop-weight-class-for-rematch-with-canelo

From his quoted words, he still not sure if he will want to down to 168 lbs or not. There should be motivation though, belts of Canelo or money wise. Or Bivol chasing greatness here, a win over Canelo will put him of holding 2 world belts simultaneously.

[Fredomago]

But apparently, Bivol is willing to go down to 168 lbs and fight Canelo as long as Alvarez is willing to put his belt on the line.

That makes sense since it's already clear from the start that Bivol will only take the rematch against Canelo with the belt on the line.

But I'm not aware of it honestly that Bivol is willing to go down. As far as my knowledge is concerned, it's Canelo's camp doing the run.

Regardless though, a fight with Beterbiev or Canelo is a good one for Bivol. Let's see.

Yup, both are good for Bivol, he's very competitive and whoever will be there for him it's a great match for him as he's aiming to keep moving with his career, now, with Beterbiev the chance of owning new belt is a good achievement for each champs who wanted to add more to their legacy, Bivol is still young still have the speed and the skills to counter's opponents attacks.

He will be tested now against Beterbiev as we all know how heavy those solid combination if that punch landed to Bivol's critical area, it can damage him a lot and a possible KO to him.

[YuginKadoya]

^ Yes, Eddie Hearn wanted a Bivol vs Beterbiev and so is Bob Arum, so let's see how they are going to work it out.

Its just for now it's complicated as Bivol is targeting Canelo as well, either 168 or 175 lbs. And then Callum Smith is also coming into the horizon and also looking for a big payday against Beterbiev. We wait how the Smith vs Stepien result will be though, if he wins maybe Bivol is willing to fight him instead of waiting for Bivol.

They surely want to surprise us with something that we want but surely after that Callum Smith fights then we are getting that juicy Dmitry Bivol fight, while Bivol doesn't seem to have any fight before that Beterbiev fight but if he can get a fight before the Beterbiev fight I wish it could be Joshua Buatsi that got rejected by the WBA but maybe he needs to long relaxation before getting back into training and surely the action, let's just wait because Bivol just wants to fight Beterbiev more than anyone,

I reckon that the place was not a problem because it's the WBC who is making the fight looks impossible to happen as they won't sanction a unification fight between Bivol vs Beterbiev as currently, Russian boxers are barred from getting any titles or additional titles like in Bivol's case.

Just a new update, Hearn has changed his mind and is now pursuing a different route. A doubleheader!

Eddie Hearn is planning a massive June 3rd doubleheader in Abu Dhabi, headlined by Dmitry Bivol defending his WBA light heavyweight title against his #1 challenger Joshua Buatsi, with IBF, WBC & WBO 175-lb champion Artur Beterbiev battling his WBC mandatory Callum Smith.

Hearn says the card can “absolutely” happen, and he’s eager to put it together to set up two other big fights involving Bivol facing Beterbiev for the light heavyweight undisputed championship and Bivol fighting Canelo Alvarez in a rematch later this year in September.

The downside of Hearn’s plans is that the Bivol-Beterbiev fight would be delayed until possibly December or early next year.

Source

Just as I expected Dmitry Bivol will be facing Joshua Buatsi while Artur Beterbiev will be facing Callum Smith, then after that individual fights an Artur Beterbiev VS Dmitry Bivolfight will commence, and this is what fans are shouting to have and badly wants, surely even though it could be delayed for a year but if this could be this year than will be a great time to be readying the PPV, for me I was really curious in what may happen against the two,

Surely Eddie Hearn and Bob Arum badly wants this fight where everyone will get excited to watch, and this could skyrocket the PPV and will be a big match in the making, because many are surely asking for it to happen,

[TravelMug]

^^ I thought that Callum Smith has a scheduled fight first with Pawel Stepien?

In any case Callum need to win that fight first, anyhow, he is a huge favorite in that fight. So probably Eddie Hearn is just aligning Bivol first against Buatsi and then wait for the Canelo vs Ryder result as well.

He has little influence to make the fight against Beterbiev as he is being handled by Top Rank. So most likely Bivol will get Canelo first before they will take to Beterbiev.

[inthelongrun]

Most likely it was Fulton and Figueroa headlining this event but this main undercard is now lifted as its main event. This is another good fight. Subriel Matias is probably the more polished but I am hoping for Jeremias Ponce to score an upset. Hopefully, Ponce won't be too reckless with his aggression because Matias is also a KO artist. The biggest names in their division are all in Top Rank, Josh Taylor, Jose Ramirez, Teofimo Lopez, and the possibility of Devin Haney coming up too. And we may not see Matias facing them due to his contract with PBC so it is better and more exciting for boxing if Ponce wins.

Yes, It was initially Stephen Fulton VS  Brandon Figueroa but for some unknown reasons it was not disclosed to the media I don't see any news about the fight cancellation anywhere, but apparently, maybe it was the ESPN news on January 16, that Stephen Fulton would instead face Mark Magsayo as Fulton has done a negotiation with the former three-division world champion Naoya Inoue, that hasn't any lead yet but maybe the Stephen Fulton VS Mark Magsayo will be this year, but there are any newer about it,

Maybe you just had an error but yeah, Stephen Fulton is not interested to move up in weight for the rematch with Figueroa and instead it wants to fight the Japanese superstar Naoya Inoue. Figueroa is then scheduled to Mark Magsayo in another date for the WBC interim belt which would be then mandated to fight the real champion Rey Vargas.

Well Speaking of the current Main event fight Jeremias Nicolas Ponce indeed have a lot of experience when it comes against Subriel Matias because of his many fights, but you can not take away the Polish movement of Subriel Matias well I am also leaning towards Subriel Matias, for sure he will give a more spicy result but will indeed looking for some other things right because I have made my final bet,

Nicolas Ponce has more fights than Matias but the quality of their opponents is clearly in favor of the latter. Matias has been fighting good-quality of opponents even before he reached his 10th fight. This might become a huge factor and besides, Matias is already used to fighting big crowds in the US while this is Ponce's US debut. Still hoping for an upset just like his countryman Maidana did in his US debut.

[LUCKMCFLY]

Indeed, if he mange to win his upcoming fight, automatically the winner of Magsayo and Figueroa's fight will be declared as new title holder from that said division,

It's not automatic given there's another scenario.

The winner between Mark Magsayo and Brandon Figueroa will only be elevated from interim to regular champion if Vargas decides to move up if he wins against Foster. If Vargas loses, he will need to mandatory defend his 126 titles against the winner between Magsayo and Figueroa.

But for me, I'd rather see Vargas wins this match and move forward on achieving multiple titles per division.

If I'm not mistaken, it will be Vargas' 4th title division champion if he wins against Foster.

I guess that leads to the same thing mate as @Fredomago also stated above that "if he (Vargas) manage to win his upcoming fight" that would also mean that the winner of Figueroa-Magsayo fight will be declared as the regular champion and not as Interim champion, so somehow that's quite automatic as long as Vargas will conquer Foster successfully.

It is not bad and you are absolutely right of course there must also be an apparent result and that is that as you say Vargas can beat foster although it is not very far from reality we all know that this can happen and without a doubt having that responsibility I do not think that Vargas is going to waste it, of course, I am not trying to say that Foster is going to give away the fight or that Foster is going to be like a white dove that is going to leave everything on a silver platter for Vargas, because that result will be sought no matter what, we have many of us who are fans and know that anything can happen in boxing.

Inoue easily won against Paul Butler, conquering all opponents in the Bantamweight division, Inoue decided to increase the weight class. His opponent in the new Super Bantamweight class is most likely Fulton .
Fulton holds two world championship belts, WBO and WBC, is the world No. 1 boxer in this weight class. Against Fulton, Inoue will surely face the biggest and most difficult test ever.
I look forward to having a confrontation as soon as possible .

Not most likely because Stephen Fulton is indeed Inoue's first assignment in his transfer at 122, hence why we have a separate thread about Inoue vs Fulton.
Read here: https://www.espn.ph/boxing/story/_/id/35474707/naoya-inoue-stephen-fulton-agree-122-pound-title-bout
The thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5436075.0

And about Inoue's recent fight with Butler, it's almost guaranteed the Inoue will unify all the belts and become the undisputed champion even before their fight commenced because it's too plain to see that Butler doesn't have what it takes to defeat a champion caliber especially if we are talking about him facing the Monster of Japan, the man won't surely be touted as such if he's not really that kind of boxer.

Yeah, there was just hype on Butler before the fight, and it's obvious that he wanted to make some noise. However, when the fight started, it's obvious that he is no match, but still commend him for staying and almost last the full 12 rounds but he has been taking a lot of punishments in the fight.

There is also another champion in that division Murodjon Akhmadaliev who holds the other 2 belts.

So can't say that Fulton is the no. 1 boxer in that weight class.

Can't really blame Paul Butler for his action as he just have to do what he had to do because it was his only chance to get a massive amount of money because getting a fight with the likes of Inoue will surely generate a good amount of money amounting to millions of dollars, that's guaranteed.

About the other champion at 122 which is Akhmadaliev, yes, Inoue will eventually face him much sooner but not for now because he doesn't possess the WBO belt. Now as a super champion, Inoue got the perk to go directly against Fulton because he got the WBO belt.

Well I think that when we refer to Inoue everything changes, I know that the fight against Fulton will be something else, many of us are looking forward to that fight, some because they want to see Inoue shine, others want and hope that they can see Inoue lose , and I think that the comparisons at this point are not something very appropriate, when Inoue was in that category you could say many things, in fact, he is the undisputed champion, Butler and everyone knows it, what happened is that now It is another weight, another level, things can change.

[btc_angela]

But apparently, Bivol is willing to go down to 168 lbs and fight Canelo as long as Alvarez is willing to put his belt on the line.

That makes sense since it's already clear from the start that Bivol will only take the rematch against Canelo with the belt on the line.

But I'm not aware of it honestly that Bivol is willing to go down. As far as my knowledge is concerned, it's Canelo's camp doing the run.

Regardless though, a fight with Beterbiev or Canelo is a good one for Bivol. Let's see.

He will go down, or willing to go to 168 lbs so that Alvarez won't have any excuse to fight him. If avoided him at his best weight, then we can say that Canelo is ducking.

But as far as Eddie Hearn, he says that Canelo is not afraid to fight anyone. So let's see, he is facing Ryder first, maybe just to test his hand injury as it might be brittle. And then if he wins then maybe Bivol and him can rematch at 168 lbs with the belt on the line.

[freedomgo]

But apparently, Bivol is willing to go down to 168 lbs and fight Canelo as long as Alvarez is willing to put his belt on the line.

That makes sense since it's already clear from the start that Bivol will only take the rematch against Canelo with the belt on the line.

But I'm not aware of it honestly that Bivol is willing to go down. As far as my knowledge is concerned, it's Canelo's camp doing the run.

Regardless though, a fight with Beterbiev or Canelo is a good one for Bivol. Let's see.

I wonder if the governing bodies will agree about that if ever Canelo is indeed open to welcome and host the fight between him and Bivol at 168 because AFAIK, the current stand about the Russian boxers is that they are barred from fighting for a title, that's why WBC is making a statement that they wouldn't allow unification fight between Bivol vs Beterbiev. But when it comes to Canelo, it's just okay? Let's see about that.

[serjent05]

Will we ever hear from the Iranian hulk again? Or maybe we should say Iranian dwarf. He made himself completely ridiculous last year for his performance in the stare down against Martin Ford. He then did another boxing match against an amateur boxer and lost there without a chance. Does anyone have any idea who was behind that Iranian hulk circus? It now appears that more and more boxers have used steroids. The Iranian hulk doesn't need that, he just uses Photoshop 

I don't think that he is a boxer, for me it looks like he is a body builder but then he just ruined his physique by taking those steroids to accentuate his figure. And so when he enters the amateur or exhibitions matches, he was really exposed.

As for boxer taking drugs, we haven't heard anyone really taking some performance enhancing drugs, because it doesn't make sense for them to bulk up or gain muscle. Like in this case, it was just a false alarm.

I watched that fight, and it was funny how the hulk become a dwarf.  It is somehow embarrassing how he was so boastful during the  pre-bout promotions and ends up like that losing the match without even showing any good moves.

I wonder if the governing bodies will agree about that if ever Canelo is indeed open to welcome and host the fight between him and Bivol at 168 because AFAIK, the current stand about the Russian boxers is that they are barred from fighting for a title, that's why WBC is making a statement that they wouldn't allow unification fight between Bivol vs Beterbiev. But when it comes to Canelo, it's just okay? Let's see about that.

that is kinda intriguing if the governing body agreed on the fight between Canelo and Bivol at 168, but I think if there is money to make, someone will make it possible.  That is how the politics in boxing works I guess.

[Silberman]

But apparently, Bivol is willing to go down to 168 lbs and fight Canelo as long as Alvarez is willing to put his belt on the line.

That makes sense since it's already clear from the start that Bivol will only take the rematch against Canelo with the belt on the line.

But I'm not aware of it honestly that Bivol is willing to go down. As far as my knowledge is concerned, it's Canelo's camp doing the run.

Regardless though, a fight with Beterbiev or Canelo is a good one for Bivol. Let's see.

For Bivol it makes more sense to fight Canelo first and then fight Beterbiev, Canelo supposedly wants a rematch and this means a lot of money for Bivol against an opponent he dominated clearly, if Bivol is willing to go down a division this also benefits him as in the case he were to lose he will not lose his title on the light heavyweight division and he will still retain the right to fight Beterbiev for the undisputed, while at the same time it gives both parties more time to agree to a date and a venue for the fight to take place.

[Baofeng]

But apparently, Bivol is willing to go down to 168 lbs and fight Canelo as long as Alvarez is willing to put his belt on the line.

That makes sense since it's already clear from the start that Bivol will only take the rematch against Canelo with the belt on the line.

But I'm not aware of it honestly that Bivol is willing to go down. As far as my knowledge is concerned, it's Canelo's camp doing the run.

Regardless though, a fight with Beterbiev or Canelo is a good one for Bivol. Let's see.

For Bivol it makes more sense to fight Canelo first and then fight Beterbiev, Canelo supposedly wants a rematch and this means a lot of money for Bivol against an opponent he dominated clearly, if Bivol is willing to go down a division this also benefits him as in the case he were to lose he will not lose his title on the light heavyweight division and he will still retain the right to fight Beterbiev for the undisputed, while at the same time it gives both parties more time to agree to a date and a venue for the fight to take place.

I think that is their goal, fight Canelo fight. The thing is that Canelo is recovering and has a schedule fight with Ryder this May. So Bivol will have to wait, or he can get a tune up fight,against Buatsi as reported but nothing yet is sign according the Hearn.

So there is a lot of movement from behind before this two will have to rematch.

And then it's the question whether it will be 168 lbs with Canelo's belt or 175 lbs. But eventually Bivol and Canelo will have a rematch for this year and it could be along the line on Mexican Independence day in September.

[chaser15]

For Bivol it makes more sense to fight Canelo first and then fight Beterbiev, Canelo supposedly wants a rematch and this means a lot of money for Bivol against an opponent he dominated clearly, if Bivol is willing to go down a division this also benefits him as in the case he were to lose he will not lose his title on the light heavyweight division and he will still retain the right to fight Beterbiev for the undisputed, while at the same time it gives both parties more time to agree to a date and a venue for the fight to take place.

But Bivol is not about money. He fights for the legacy that's why he skipped fights with no bearing.

If we remember, when Canelo loses to Bivol in their first encounter, a rematch is being followed up. But Bivol seems not interested and will only fight if there's a big bearing that will add to his legacy. Money, of course, matters but Bivol wants to add some title collection to his possession.

Either way, Bivol facing Canelo or Beterbiev is a good watch for us boxing fans.

[Jawhead999]

But Bivol is not about money. He fights for the legacy that's why he skipped fights with no bearing.

If we remember, when Canelo loses to Bivol in their first encounter, a rematch is being followed up. But Bivol seems not interested and will only fight if there's a big bearing that will add to his legacy. Money, of course, matters but Bivol wants to add some title collection to his possession.

Either way, Bivol facing Canelo or Beterbiev is a good watch for us boxing fans.

It would be better if Bivol going down to fight with Canelo, if he can win in super middleweight, of course he will become an undisputed champion. After that, we can expect there's will be a trilogy and it will boost Bivol's popularity. If Bivol is going to fight with Beterbiev, his career is already over. I don't think Canelo will take a challenge to fight with undisputed champion when he just lose his first fight in light heavyweight division. However if Bivol lose, he wouldn't have any title and Canelo might refuse to have a rematch since Canelo wouldn't get anything if he win.