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July 15, 2022, 04:35:07 PM
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But #totallynotgenocide, right?

The competence of the International Criminal Court (ICC) includes the prosecution of persons guilty of genocide. If there are facts, they should be presented there and carefully examined. Because in the same way you can be told that Ukrainian troops are purposefully killing pro-Russian civilians.
[...]
In Europe and the US, Russian central television is squeamishly called Putin’s propaganda, but the "Russian zombie TV" is light years behind the Western media in terms of brainwashing the population, and the editors of the Western media should be prosecuted for slander and inciting ethnic hatred.
[...]

Genocide is not only killing, it is about the 2 million people deported from Ukraine and the forced "nationalisation" of Ukrainians in occupied areas. Facts and proof are easy, as the RF is not being particularly effective at hiding.

As far as presenting and following due process, well... Adolf Putin will only answer if he ever looses political grip in the RF -in which case he will have much bigger problems than being judged.


The Ukrainian authorities lie that they are only targeting military infrastructure in Russian-controlled areas with artillery strikes. Europeans and Americans should know that women and children have been killed and injured for many days from weapons that are shipped to Ukraine from the West (Warning! Violent content! 1, 2, 3).


Caption on the photo:
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"10-year-old Veronika Badina died during the shelling of Donetsk from French CAESAR howitzers.
The French government is helping Ukraine not to defend itself, but to kill."


This shows a picture of a boy under medical care. Nothing else. The linking to "Caesar Howis", European aid and any other claims are simply a claim without any credibility. Given that is published in Ukranian in RF media, along with "an RF jet bombing Snake Island" and other similar claims, the credibility is zero.

As for the second video, again, it could be anything you want it to be.

https://rusdozor-ru.translate.goog/2022/07/07/voenkory-i-tg-kanaly-o-situacii-na-donbasse-i-ruine-07-07-2022-utro-den-obnovlyae

On the additional loading of all this... Why can the RF attack and Ukraine just "defend"? Military targets in or outside the RF that are being used to support the offensive are legit irrespectively of the type of conventional weapon used.


On July 12, 2022, a correspondent of the Ukrainian TV channel VTV Plus published a video report on YouTube about a Ukrainian missile attack on Nova Kakhovka (Kherson region).
The text of her message, translated into English:
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"A large number of destruction of urban infrastructure.
We see that they hit shops, markets, bus stations, churches, houses.
A very large number of destruction. Now it is known for sure about seven dead and more than seventy injured civilians.
All houses look so scary now, services are working, they get (people) from under the rubble, firefighters put out fires, the police work.
An operational headquarters has been created to provide assistance to the victims.
Now the decision of the temporary city administration has been made to pay
400 thousand rubles ($ 7000) to wounded and two million rubles ($ 35000) to families of the victims.
I would like to say that this is, of course, an unprecedentedly terrible story,
because Ukraine, like real terrorists, is simply bombing peaceful cities with American weapons."


What you call an Ukrainian channel is this: https://imi.org.ua/en/news/kherson-s-collaborationist-channel-vtv-begins-broadcasting-via-russian-satellite-i46400

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Kherson TV channel "VTV+" began broadcasting via a russian satellite. This is another confirmation of the channel's cooperation with the russian invaders. This was reported by the National Council on Television and Radio Broadcasting.

You are shameless speaking about brainwashing in the same post you quote this. But I take good note: Kherson, in your view, is Ukrainian.

@suchmoon, returning to the question you asked about a genocide. Perhaps you are not aware, but in Russia the third person in the state is a native of Ukraine, Valentina Matvienko, however, just like Vladimir Medinsky, an assistant to the Russian president. This does not really fit into the version that the Russians hate Ukrainians so much that they are ready to exterminate them as a nation. A few days ago, Putin signed a decree on granting Russian citizenship to all residents of Ukraine in a simplified manner. Remind me of at least one such case in world history when the government of one country sought to destroy people of a certain nationality, but at the same time gave them passports.



The colonization of Latin America by Spain: Either you leave your culture and join mine or I kill you. Sometimes both.

Yes it is an attempt to destroy a nationality, very clearly. From being of Ukrainian identity, Adolf Putin offers "freely" to become a "Russian" (RF citizen at least) at least in name. But, above all, becoming an RF citizen confers no right. You cannot vote nor change your government, you cannot speak freely, you can be drafted for the army, you have restrictions travelling, you have to endure the RF system,...  So it is like an offer of free chains with pretty much no rights. On top of that Adolf Putin will eventually argue that there are "Russians" that need to be "liberated" and justify his next aggression.

All this is in the thin line between aggression and pure genocide.

Granting the RF passport is an attempt to "filtrate". Those Ukrainians who do not request it are "self filtered", also it undermines the right of the Ukrainian State (basically, is an offer to become a turncoat for free), and if you need examples of turncoats I have plenty.

Since you are trying to make a point here with "Germany", let me tell you a few details.  Cheesy
[...] Germany has become far too dependant from Russian Oil and especially Gas!
Germany can replace Russian Gas but Putin has lost a big market, where he can sell his Gas - probably forever or at least as long as his corrupt circle is in power.
Russia will take the most damage long-term as Germany and Europe are slowly replacing Russian Oil and Gas.
Russia will lose Europe / Germany as a place, where he can sell his fossil fuels.
[...]

The mere fact of living in a country doesn't make its resident a priori a recognized expert in the foreign economy and politics of this state.
Are you sure that you yourself didn't become an object of "Scholz TV" propaganda, regarding your expectations, which do not at all coincide with the Germany possibilities?
The Bild experts do not share your bravado about the refusal of Russian gas. About replacing Russian gas - I don’t know what you are counting on, but German residents may soon start using wood instead of gas, like a hundred years ago.


Nah... they will just switch on a few nuclear centrals or buy the nuclear energy from France. The problem will not be the heating, but the industry that may take a hit during one or worst case, two years. It is bad, but it would be even worse to have Adolf Putin any closer to the EU, and more costly. No winners to this war other than US, the Arabs,...

While you're trying to make fun of Putin (judging by the many emoticons), Russia is now making more money from increased energy sales to China and India. As Aristotle said: "Nature abhors a vacuum".
For comparison, for the whole of 2021, Germany, being the largest importer of Russian energy, bought gas and oil from Russia at a commune price of 20 billion euros. Moreover, many Russian citizens yearn for a speedy shutdown of all of Europe from Russian gas in response to sanctions, as well as for numerous calls of Western officials to defeat Russia on the battlefield; for the supply of weapons, military instructors, intelligence data and other military assistance to Ukraine.
...

While China and India will keep on buying (at the right price, do not forget it) the Oil & Gas from Siberia, the infrastructure required to switch from Europe to China or India is just not there. The massive pipelines that connect Siberia with Europe are simply not there in the east, take millions to build and years of treaties, design and construction. Much more than renting floating gas liquefaction facilities.

The RF is going to dive into a recession. The oil price is volatile and, if the recession in Europe and some slowing in US kicks in, the RF accounts will go deep red. Since you like Aristoteles:

“Poverty is the parent of revolution and crime.” - Pass this up your chain of controllers to Adolf Putin.

...

When it became uncovered, that Germany is very dependant from Russian Gas, some whistleblowers leaked documents about the corruption of pro-Kremlin politicans in local administration structures and how they had enabled Putin. Large parts of the infrastructure of Gas pipelines and Gas storages were sold to Russia and local politicians were travelling frequently to Moscow to make Putin happy (make German energy supply dependant from Russia).
There was a large network of local politicians involved in pro Russia stuff and they made a shitload of money.
Gazprom even influenced local decisionmakers directly:

...

IMHO, not just "local" decision makers, but at leas one Chancellor:

https://www.dw.com/en/ex-german-chancellor-gerhard-schröder-turns-down-role-on-gazprom-board/a-61920141

A bit too late uh?






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But #totallynotgenocide, right?

The competence of the International Criminal Court (ICC) includes the prosecution of persons guilty of genocide. If there are facts, they should be presented there and carefully examined. Because in the same way you can be told that Ukrainian troops are purposefully killing pro-Russian civilians.

Do the Western media talk about the shelling of cities by Ukrainian troops on civilians with the help of Western artillery, for example, which was yesterday in Donetsk?
I ask because usually such news is not shown in major European and American information resources. This in no way justifies any victims, but independent journalists should try to objectively cover events from different sides of the conflict.
...


1. No need to lie and pass off Russian propaganda as reality
2. The Ukrainian army, ON ITS TERRITORY, PROTECTS ITS COUNTRY FROM THE AGGRESSOR.
3. The Armed Forces of Ukraine fired and fired only at warehouses and headquarters.
4. Russian terrorists often hide in residential areas - this is "Russian heroism". Unfortunately, during the liberation of the occupied territories, civilians may also suffer. But we didn't start this war. Responsibility for the occupants.

Methods and technologies for the destruction of the aggressor have no restrictions, after they sadistically shot Mariupol, with rockets from the center of Vinnitsa, today Nikolaev (2 universities). The invaders will be destroyed by all available means, in any location where they are found.

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The Ukrainian army, ON ITS TERRITORY, PROTECTS ITS COUNTRY FROM THE AGGRESSOR.


Kosovo is Serbia?

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Kosovo is Serbia?

Bad example. I think Kosovo case is more in favour to ukrainians and about that russian claims are shit.  Kosovo inhabited with albanians, and Serbia - with serbs. So it's obvious that Kosovo deservs freedom. The same as Ukraine.

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July 15, 2022, 07:14:09 PM
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Not a single leading Western Media eh?


https://www.yahoo.com/now/deadly-artillery-attack-hits-donetsk-140259658.html

No wonder the Trumptards love Putin.  He's just another victim of the Media.  Give them a story and finish it with "and the MeDiA WoNt RePoRt ThIs" and they eat it up.

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 But I take good note: Kherson, in your view, is Ukrainian.


Contrary to your view, where its Russian?
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But #totallynotgenocide, right?

The competence of the International Criminal Court (ICC) includes the prosecution of persons guilty of genocide. If there are facts, they should be presented there and carefully examined. Because in the same way you can be told that Ukrainian troops are purposefully killing pro-Russian civilians.

Do the Western media talk about the shelling of cities by Ukrainian troops on civilians with the help of Western artillery, for example, which was yesterday in Donetsk?
I ask because usually such news is not shown in major European and American information resources. This in no way justifies any victims, but independent journalists should try to objectively cover events from different sides of the conflict.
...


1. No need to lie and pass off Russian propaganda as reality
2. The Ukrainian army, ON ITS TERRITORY, PROTECTS ITS COUNTRY FROM THE AGGRESSOR.
3. The Armed Forces of Ukraine fired and fired only at warehouses and headquarters.
4. Russian terrorists often hide in residential areas - this is "Russian heroism". Unfortunately, during the liberation of the occupied territories, civilians may also suffer. But we didn't start this war. Responsibility for the occupants.

Methods and technologies for the destruction of the aggressor have no restrictions, after they sadistically shot Mariupol, with rockets from the center of Vinnitsa, today Nikolaev (2 universities). The invaders will be destroyed by all available means, in any location where they are found.


When you are bombarding your own internationally acknowledged territory, you obviously are not doing it for fun. Most likely, you get attacked by braindead MFs that force you to go the worst: blow up the place you love to get it back and have the possibility to rebuild it.

Holy *** Christ, the Russian propaganda is driving me nuts.

But #totallynotgenocide, right?

The competence of the International Criminal Court (ICC) includes the prosecution of persons guilty of genocide. If there are facts, they should be presented there and carefully examined. Because in the same way you can be told that Ukrainian troops are purposefully killing pro-Russian civilians.

Do the Western media talk about the shelling of cities by Ukrainian troops on civilians with the help of Western artillery, for example, which was yesterday in Donetsk?
I ask because usually such news is not shown in major European and American information resources. This in no way justifies any victims, but independent journalists should try to objectively cover events from different sides of the conflict.

I am still waiting for the moment when you make a clear cut argument about Ukrainians intentionally attacking civilians on Russian territory. For now, the Ukrainians defend with whatever they have to keep alive agreements that were once signed with Russia.

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I am still waiting for the moment when you make a clear cut argument about Ukrainians intentionally attacking civilians on Russian territory. For now, the Ukrainians defend with whatever they have to keep alive agreements that were once signed with Russia.

Even this would not be bad because of obvious reason: This is not Ukraine who started this war. So, if some amount of civilians will die during another strike on armed storages near Belgorod, this will be not a "war crime". This is aggressor who will be guilty in these deaths too.

No aggression - no russian civ loses. Period.

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I am still waiting for the moment when you make a clear cut argument about Ukrainians intentionally attacking civilians on Russian territory. For now, the Ukrainians defend with whatever they have to keep alive agreements that were once signed with Russia.

Even this would not be bad because of obvious reason: This is not Ukraine who started this war. So, if some amount of civilians will die during another strike on armed storages near Belgorod, this will be not a "war crime". This is aggressor who will be guilty in these deaths too.

No aggression - no russian civ loses. Period.

I said "intentionally" as a strategy to break the enemies' soul and moral. Putin kills civilians to break Ukrainian unity. The worst an aggressor can do. Sad

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Do the Western media talk about the shelling of cities by Ukrainian troops on civilians with the help of Western artillery, for example, which was yesterday in Donetsk?

Come on, it's not even proper whataboutism, if you really think that killing civilians could be justified by the other side doing the same. Donetsk is Ukraine. If you wanted to present an "equivalent" example of evil Ukrainians invading and bombing Russia the same way Putin's army invaded and bombed Ukraine, you gotta find some story about a Ukrainian missile hitting a supermarket in Pskov.

Here's the thing though. Many things in this invasion point to a systematic attempt to destroy and/or oppress Ukrainians as a nation - from Putin's war declaration speech denying even the existence of such nation, to the entire narrative of "denazification", which basically defines every Ukrainian as a nazi.

There is no "equivalent" systematic attempt from Ukraine to destroy Russians as a nation. At most they want Russian forces to leave Ukrainian territory. Twist it all you want but the aggressor is Russia.  No "what about" here.
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Here's the thing though. Many things in this invasion point to a systematic attempt to destroy and/or oppress Ukrainians as a nation - from Putin's war declaration speech denying even the existence of such nation, to the entire narrative of "denazification", which basically defines every Ukrainian as a nazi.

Yes, fully agree! In russian worldview "denazification == deukrainization" or "russification". If you don't want to speak in russian, if you do not want to share russian narratives and cultural "memes" (from Galeev - meme in culture == gene in biology) then you're 100 % nazi.

And "normal ukrainian" is russificated ukrainian (in terms of language and culture)

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Here's the thing though. Many things in this invasion point to a systematic attempt to destroy and/or oppress Ukrainians as a nation - from Putin's war declaration speech denying even the existence of such nation, to the entire narrative of "denazification", which basically defines every Ukrainian as a nazi.

Yes, fully agree! In russian worldview "denazification == deukrainization" or "russification". If you don't want to speak in russian, if you do not want to share russian narratives and cultural "memes" (from Galeev - meme in culture == gene in biology) then you're 100 % nazi.

And "normal ukrainian" is russificated ukrainian (in terms of language and culture)

Please explain

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Since you are trying to make a point here with "Germany", let me tell you a few details.  Cheesy
[...] Germany has become far too dependant from Russian Oil and especially Gas!
Germany can replace Russian Gas but Putin has lost a big market, where he can sell his Gas - probably forever or at least as long as his corrupt circle is in power.
Russia will take the most damage long-term as Germany and Europe are slowly replacing Russian Oil and Gas.
Russia will lose Europe / Germany as a place, where he can sell his fossil fuels.
Germany has a big industry for cars, for steel and for chemical products (like BASF). Very energy intensive production.
These industries will not be any longer supplied by Russian fossil fuels but from fossil fuels from elsewhere.
Very bad for Putin but he won't tell you.  Wink
Putin will never tell you when he has made a mistake because he would be so busy.
 Cheesy
And he won't tell you, that it was his plan all along to control Europe's Gas supply!
So let's make it similar to an investment: diversify!
Don't buy your whole Gas supply from ONE (corrupt) country.  Wink
So, please! When you mention Germany next time, please do proper research.
Putin TV is not a credible source.  Cheesy Cheesy

The mere fact of living in a country doesn't make its resident a priori a recognized expert in the foreign economy and politics of this state.
Are you sure that you yourself didn't become an object of "Scholz TV" propaganda, regarding your expectations, which do not at all coincide with the Germany possibilities?
Well, link a credible German source where your position is explained. There's no credible source because my description is what's happening in Germany currently.
Putin tried to get a monopoly for fossil fuels in Germany to have power over Germany. Unfortunately, some German politicains didn't see what was coming (Putin invading Ukraine and Putin using his monopoly on gas against Germany).
And Lafontaine isn't a credible source, he's a joke.  Cheesy
At least regarding Ukraine vs. Russia.

If you are referring to my general position, that I'm against Putin's war because it's inacceptable to invade Ukraine and that Putin is commiting war crimes.
Calling reports from various OSINT reporters, reports from various Ukrainian journalists and even various reports from Ukrainians on this forum "Scholz TV" is a little bit far-fetched, isn't it?  Cheesy Cheesy



The Bild experts do not share your bravado about the refusal of Russian gas. About replacing Russian gas - I don’t know what you are counting on, but German residents may soon start using wood instead of gas, like a hundred years ago.
LOL  Cheesy
It's funny when a Putin apologist tries to quote a German source, they are always quoting the least credible outlets in Germany.  Cheesy Cheesy
BILD Zeitung is based on rage, hate and fear. (or fear, uncertainty and doubt (FUD)).
The only purpose of BILD is to sell their newspaper. And yes, what's selling better than "monster winter incoming, no gas for heating, we are all gonna die"  Cheesy
I'm not saying that all reports from BILD are bad. They have some good reporters on the front in Ukraine.  
Regarding possible gas shortages it is true, that it won't be easy to get independant from Russian gas, but it's important to achieve it.
And Putin will be totally pissed, when it's done and he can write as much propaganda pieces as he wants.
Russia will lose Europe as a purchaser for his gas long-term.



As for Lavrov's words, you may be surprised, but he still claims that Russia didn't invade Ukraine.
Sure, there's some sort of... uummmm... "Special Operation" ongoing in Ukraine?  Roll Eyes
Right?  Cheesy
Or maybe he doesn't want to end in prison when he's calling out, what's happening there: Russia INVADED Ukraine and Russia started a WAR.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/08/world/europe/russia-aleksei-gorinov-prison.html



You also mentioned ARD and ZDF TV channels, which "often presenting the Russian position". Maybe you are confusing the expression of a view with a regular quotation (such as "he said", "she claimed", etc.)? Well, in general, this is a regular thing in journalism, or do you want a total information boycott to operate in Germany without listening to the opinion of the other side?
I've never said, that there should be a "total information boycott to operate in Germany". There should be statements from both sides and people can get information, what's happening there. But there have been cases, when people like Lavrow said 100% bullshit and these statements were not addressed.
Well, you mentioned in your comment, that Lavrow denied that Russia invaded Ukraine.
We all know what is really true. Some viewers (like Lafontaine) might believe Lavrow, that there's actually not a Russian invasion (or whatever bullshit the Russian side has drafted out of thin air).
There was even a Putin apologist on ZDF spreading for 2 hours almost all Kremlin talking points.

So, you can't call it a "total information boycott in Germany".  Cheesy

But there's currently "total information boycott" operating in Russia, for example when people are calling the "special operation" a "war".  Wink



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Here's the thing though. Many things in this invasion point to a systematic attempt to destroy and/or oppress Ukrainians as a nation - from Putin's war declaration speech denying even the existence of such nation, to the entire narrative of "denazification", which basically defines every Ukrainian as a nazi.

Yes, fully agree! In russian worldview "denazification == deukrainization" or "russification". If you don't want to speak in russian, if you do not want to share russian narratives and cultural "memes" (from Galeev - meme in culture == gene in biology) then you're 100 % nazi.

And "normal ukrainian" is russificated ukrainian (in terms of language and culture)

Well they can't really call it Putins Final Solution to the Ukraine Question, look how it ended for the last guy that tried that phrased his attempt to exterminate a culture.

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Here's the thing though. Many things in this invasion point to a systematic attempt to destroy and/or oppress Ukrainians as a nation - from Putin's war declaration speech denying even the existence of such nation, to the entire narrative of "denazification", which basically defines every Ukrainian as a nazi.

Yes, fully agree! In russian worldview "denazification == deukrainization" or "russification". If you don't want to speak in russian, if you do not want to share russian narratives and cultural "memes" (from Galeev - meme in culture == gene in biology) then you're 100 % nazi.

And "normal ukrainian" is russificated ukrainian (in terms of language and culture)

Please explain

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1EqK4suenY


American idiot intentionally pisses a bunch of people off in Ukraine, on Ukrainian independence day, rambling about Russia, when the cops question him he intentionally tries to piss them off too, then he tries to run while being questioned, so they chase him and arrest him.

Video is uploaded with caption "American guy detained for wearing Russian flag t-shirt in Odessa, Ukraine" and millions of idiot Putin/Trump fanboys eat it up like Beef Stroganoff.

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What i need to expalin? A guy wore a t-shirt with russian symbols in Ukraine so he was detained. What does this video has to do with my post you replied to? Are you mad?

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What i need to expalin? A guy wore a t-shirt with russian symbols in Ukraine so he was detained. What does this video has to do with my post you replied to? Are you mad?


So its normal in Ukraine to get detained if you mention Russia, or wear t-shirt like that?
If he would be Russian instead American, would he just "disappear"?
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Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress]


But the much larger invasion was the US into the Ukraine to set up puppet Nazi governments for the Ukraine over the last decade or longer, all so they could use Ukraine for at least 46 Wuhan-style labs, to produce germ and virus warfare weapons that could be used against anybody in the world.



Cool

I thought you didn't believe in germs or viruses.


What i need to expalin? A guy wore a t-shirt with russian symbols in Ukraine so he was detained. What does this video has to do with my post you replied to? Are you mad?


So its normal in Ukraine to get detained if you mention Russia, or wear t-shirt like that?
If he would be Russian instead American, would he just "disappear"?

Yes Branko.  You get detained for mentioning Russia or simply wearing a Russian T Shirt in Ukrain. That's exactly what happened. Roll Eyes

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July 16, 2022, 08:17:24 PM
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What i need to expalin? A guy wore a t-shirt with russian symbols in Ukraine so he was detained. What does this video has to do with my post you replied to? Are you mad?


So its normal in Ukraine to get detained if you mention Russia, or wear t-shirt like that?
If he would be Russian instead American, would he just "disappear"?

He is just an idiot. If he is an American citizen, he should be taken to the Polish border, and banned from ever entering Ukraine.
(He would get the same treatment in Poland. Probably would get his ass kicked before police can get to him.)

If he is a Russian citizen he should be detained and investigated as a potential threat to national security.

The funniest bit was when he (the white guy) accused other white guys of being... wait for it... a racist, ROFL.

What a tool?

PS. I would pass his information to the FBI to check him and his circle for potential links to Russian sleeper cells in the US/West.

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What i need to expalin? A guy wore a t-shirt with russian symbols in Ukraine so he was detained. What does this video has to do with my post you replied to? Are you mad?


So its normal in Ukraine to get detained if you mention Russia, or wear t-shirt like that?
If he would be Russian instead American, would he just "disappear"?

Yes Branko.  You get detained for mentioning Russia or simply wearing a Russian T Shirt in Ukrain. That's exactly what happened. Roll Eyes

The vid struck me as staged psy-op bullshit when I saw it some weeks ago.  It being peddled on Jewtube lends even more strength to the hypothesis.

Irregardless of sides, the guy wearing the tee richly deserved to get his ass kicked by either the cops or bystanders (again, if it wasn't some fake-n-gay staged show.)
My guess was that the vid was made to counter the hundreds of vids of Ukranians taping people to light posts and publicly sodomizing them.  That is, trying to make the Ukrainian 'police' look like weak but good guys who respect human rights and dignities.


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