Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress]

[paxmao]

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Hey, I propose that the RF also integrates Hawaii, Somalia and the Philippines. And, since you are at it, why not also Wonderland and Kripton. Does anyone out there find something unusual of having to send irregular mercenaries not just for the dirty stuff, but to actually send waves of cannon fodder from the prisons into the Ukrainian bullets?

I'm fine with Russia or any other nation taking control/responsibility/integration any territory if that's what the residents of the territory wish to be so.  That is clearly the case in the former (and relatively briefly) areas of Ukraine that constitute 99% of what Russia is sitting on as I type this.

It is a good thing that you keep trolling on Nazis here and there... as I said other times, you are doing a great service - to Ukraine Big Israel [FIFY].

Sadly that is true, but it isn't going to stop me from calling a spade a spade.  I am sort of compelled to go with the consensus of 'the Jews' that the goyim are typically stupid animals who will never understand the deeper aspects of 'the game' and will go into a confusion loop of cognitive dissonance over observations such as that Kolomoyski funds the right wing so-called 'Nazis' (which is why I use the label ZioNazi.)

Looks to me as though Ukraine was a lab doing an experiment:  Can we re-create the worst elements of the German Nazi moment among another ethnic group who are the spawn of the medieval surfs and get them truly believing that they are the master race?  Answer was a resounding 'Yes'.  When an experiment is concluded the rodents used in it are what is euphemistically called 'sacrificed'.  That's what's happening now in Ukraine and why the rest of the (internally disgusted) nations and the 'leadership' of Ukraine are doing everything to cleanse the land of them.  Ukraine is already one of the most successful 'ethnic cleansing' campaigns in history, but it ain't being done by no Rooskies.

Sadly, the vacuum is hoovering up a LOT of collateral damage in Slavic conscripts who probably despise the Banderites as much as I.  Sadder still, since the genuine ZioNazis have relatively safe jobs in the rear terrorizing civies and shooting internal enemies, deserters, etc, they will be the last to see the Russian de-nazification in first-person.  Oh well.  It's an object lesson in why a society or population should stand up to totalitarian type freaks early while there is still a chance.

Interesting, did you make the ZioNazis thing yourself? Probably not, but again, helps a lot understanding how ridiculous the arguments are - basically Nazism has only been once in government and did take the (final) decision of killing them so it is an interesting messup you got there.

You probably fascists, which is applicable to many cases. For example, when an leader invades other countries just because they feel "superior" and that he "owns" the people living there, then incarcerates any opposition (even people with a blank piece of paper), uses convicts as soldiers, force-conscripts their people and creates a propaganda machine designed to keep their population ignorant of the number of deaths, evolution of the war (to the point of not calling it a war)....

[tvbcof]

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Interesting, did you make the ZioNazis thing yourself? Probably not, but again, helps a lot understanding how ridiculous the arguments are - basically Nazism has only been once in government and did take the (final) decision of killing them so it is an interesting messup you got there.

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Probably others have done similar but independent syntheses, and probably they predate mine.

I use the string 'Nazi' to represent a form totalitarianism informed more or less directly by the thoughts and ideas of the German NAZI party.

I use the string 'ZioNazi' to represent the above when those who are largely driven by Zionist ideology implant 'nazi' ideas into dupes to ultimately benefit their Zionist goals.

I use the string 'ZioCon' to when talking about Zionists who identify as neoconservatives operate in ways which benefit their Zionist goals.

I use the string 'NaZioCon' for the downstream dead-enders (mostly Ukrainians currently) who are essentially dupes and victims of the machinations of some of the aforementioned groups.  Also for neoconservatives who utilize the more useful elements of nazism in their designs.

At least I try to.  I'll set aside my current hypotheses about the relationship between 'Zionists' and 'Talmudists/Kabballahists' for a later date.  They are less developed and the subject is more complex than the fairly simply political/operational stuff.

[Branko]

https://www.freilich-magazin.com/welt/kollabiert-die-ukraine-in-den-naechsten-wochen

"In a recent analysis, the Estonian secret service also warns that the Ukrainians could run out of supplies and reserves in the near future.
According to this, the Russian side could soon send 200,000 new soldiers to the front – but they had up to 30 million reservists at their disposal.
At the same time, the Ukrainians ran out of soldiers. On the Ukrainian side, people over 60 are drafted anyway."

[Franctoshi]

https://www.freilich-magazin.com/welt/kollabiert-die-ukraine-in-den-naechsten-wochen

"In a recent analysis, the Estonian secret service also warns that the Ukrainians could run out of supplies and reserves in the near future.
According to this, the Russian side could soon send 200,000 new soldiers to the front – but they had up to 30 million reservists at their disposal.
At the same time, the Ukrainians ran out of soldiers. On the Ukrainian side, people over 60 are drafted anyway."

They will definitely run out of supplies at some point in the future if the war happens to last more years than expected, even including countries and people that are supporting or donating to them in one way or the other will also get tired to help them.

More and more soldiers will be dying in the process , and a situation worse than this could happen as the war lengthens where they will be looking for soldiers to help fight Russia.

War is like an investment without profit, though here Russian benefit is aimed at stopping Ukraine from joining NATO.
The money that Russian and Ukarain has waisted/invested in this war would have done a lot in their economy or in helping their citizens if they had settled things out as supposed.

[BADecker]

This war is all about making enough Nato countries around Russia so that she can't stop an invasion. That way Nato (and the US) can take over all the raw materials of Russia and Siberia.

[Theones]

This war is all about making enough Nato countries around Russia so that she can't stop an invasion. That way Nato (and the US) can take over all the raw materials of Russia and Siberia.

At least 40 people have been killed in the the apartment attach in Ukraine
The 8500 metric ton of rebel has been remove to to rescue people - Russia  want to knock out Ukraine heat plant in the winter to make them suffer and kill due to cold.
on the other hand  Belarus joining Russian mission - there is already so much bloodshed - russia should have mercy on Ukraine

[BADecker]

This war is all about making enough Nato countries around Russia so that she can't stop an invasion. That way Nato (and the US) can take over all the raw materials of Russia and Siberia.

At least 40 people have been killed in the the apartment attach in Ukraine
The 8500 metric ton of rebel has been remove to to rescue people - Russia  want to knock out Ukraine heat plant in the winter to make them suffer and kill due to cold.
on the other hand  Belarus joining Russian mission - there is already so much bloodshed - russia should have mercy on Ukraine

Zelensky should have mercy on Ukraine. All he would have to do is wave the right kind of whit flag, and have his soldiers lay down their arms. Instantly there would be almost no more killing in Ukraine.

[LTU_btc]

Wagner is volunteers mainly from among the former prisoners. I don’t care what they believe and whether they believe in anything at all, I am of the opinion that the exchange of Wagnerites for Ukrainians, which has been taking place in the Artyomovsk direction for several months during fierce street battles, is beneficial for Russia and unprofitable for Ukraine.

Just classic. ''Nazis'' in Ukraine is terrible thing, but everything is ok when criminals like serial killers, pedophilles, rapers and etc is fighting on your side. Many of time had lifteime sentences. Lifes of these peoples don't have big value in Russia, but I just remind that if they will be lucky enough to comeback alive from Ukraine, they won't get back in prisons and I'm just wondering how they will integrate in your society.

[tvbcof]

Wagner is volunteers mainly from among the former prisoners. I don’t care what they believe and whether they believe in anything at all, I am of the opinion that the exchange of Wagnerites for Ukrainians, which has been taking place in the Artyomovsk direction for several months during fierce street battles, is beneficial for Russia and unprofitable for Ukraine.

Just classic. ''Nazis'' in Ukraine is terrible thing, but everything is ok when criminals like serial killers, pedophilles, rapers and etc is fighting on your side. Many of time had lifteime sentences. Lifes of these peoples don't have big value in Russia, but I just remind that if they will be lucky enough to comeback alive from Ukraine, they won't get back in prisons and I'm just wondering how they will integrate in your society.

In one of the [pro-Wagner] propaganda pieces they made a big deal about NOT qualifying sex criminals and other undesirables as being offered recruitment opportunities.  This specifically because of the threat they may pose to civilians.  Of course it was clearly propaganda so who knows how it has been in reality?  I put more weight on independent reports from the field when trying to get an accurate picture of reality.

I would say that from a penal recruit's point of view, most of them probably do very much wish to be 'redeemed' in the eyes of the Russian public and it would be individually important to them that the Wagner organization as a whole not develop a Blackwater-ish reputation for criminal behavior.  In such a case they would be more prone to self-police the bad apples.  Maybe even using the sledgehammer method in egregious cases.

From a business perspective Wagner's services would be much more valuable if they didn't come with crimes against humanity built in.  For some contracts broadly applied terrorism might be a value add, but for others it is certain to be a negative to the counter-party.  Thankfully to the former Ukrainians in the areas that Russia is likely interested in, the latter is the case from the Russian perspective.

[be.open]

As I understand it, a cauldron was formed there for at least 400 fighters of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, who heroically continue to resist without much chance of success after losing control over the dominant height. Good job Wagner.

After long months of negative success and some glorious retreats, Russia finally achieved something... Do you still dream about taking Kyiv?

For me personally, it’s enough for now that this year in Kyiv, for the first time in many years, there was no traditional torchlight procession in honor of Bandera. It is still unreasonable for Russia to take Kyiv now - together with Kyiv, it will have to take all the huge debts of Ukraine, which it has managed to do since the beginning of the special operation.

[TwitchySeal]

As I understand it, a cauldron was formed there for at least 400 fighters of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, who heroically continue to resist without much chance of success after losing control over the dominant height. Good job Wagner.

After long months of negative success and some glorious retreats, Russia finally achieved something... Do you still dream about taking Kyiv?

For me personally, it’s enough for now that this year in Kyiv, for the first time in many years, there was no traditional torchlight procession in honor of Bandera. It is still unreasonable for Russia to take Kyiv now - together with Kyiv, it will have to take all the huge debts of Ukraine, which it has managed to do since the beginning of the special operation.

Remember back a few weeks into the war when you thought Russia was going to take Kiev and throw a parade by the end of last Spring?

In Kyiv on May 9 2022, a traditional parade will be held in honor of the victory of the USSR over Nazi Germany. It is naive and foolish to doubt it.

Imagine what you would've said then, how naive and foolish you'd think of someone that told you that Ukraine would retake more than half of the land Russia occupied, force Putin to draft civilians to fight, the Moskva would be sunk, the bridge to Crimea bombed, and almost a year later Ukraine would still be fighting.  

[be.open]

As I understand it, a cauldron was formed there for at least 400 fighters of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, who heroically continue to resist without much chance of success after losing control over the dominant height. Good job Wagner.

After long months of negative success and some glorious retreats, Russia finally achieved something... Do you still dream about taking Kyiv?

For me personally, it’s enough for now that this year in Kyiv, for the first time in many years, there was no traditional torchlight procession in honor of Bandera. It is still unreasonable for Russia to take Kyiv now - together with Kyiv, it will have to take all the huge debts of Ukraine, which it has managed to do since the beginning of the special operation.

Remember back a few weeks into the war when you thought Russia was going to take Kiev and throw a parade by the end of last Spring?

In Kyiv on May 9 2022, a traditional parade will be held in honor of the victory of the USSR over Nazi Germany. It is naive and foolish to doubt it.

Imagine what you would've said then, how naive and foolish you'd think of someone that told you that Ukraine would retake more than half of the land Russia occupied, force Putin to draft civilians to fight, the Moskva would be sunk, the bridge to Crimea bombed, and almost a year later Ukraine would still be fighting.  

I still think that Ukraine committed a great stupidity by not making an unconditional surrender in March last year. Ukraine did not have, does not have and will not have a chance in confrontation with Russia. Any tactical success is simply an increase in the number of deadweight losses and an increase in the amount of debt to Western countries, for which future generations will have to pay.

Just classic. ''Nazis'' in Ukraine is terrible thing, but everything is ok when criminals like serial killers, pedophilles, rapers and etc is fighting on your side. Many of time had lifteime sentences. Lifes of these peoples don't have big value in Russia, but I just remind that if they will be lucky enough to comeback alive from Ukraine, they won't get back in prisons and I'm just wondering how they will integrate in your society.

You better worry about your future. Russia has stood and will stand, but as for the prospects for Ukrainian statehood, I am less sure that it will be possible to preserve it at least in some form.

[TwitchySeal]

Ukraine did not have, does not have and will not have a chance in confrontation with Russia. Any tactical success is simply an increase in the number of deadweight losses

So what's the difference between a "confrontation with Russia", where Ukraine never has a chance and a "tactical success" like, for example, defending their Capital city from Russia or recapturing hundreds of square miles of land that Russia had occupied for months. 

What do you think the worst case scenario for Russia is 1 year from now?

[Branko]

Ukraine did not have, does not have and will not have a chance in confrontation with Russia. Any tactical success is simply an increase in the number of deadweight losses

So what's the difference between a "confrontation with Russia", where Ukraine never has a chance and a "tactical success" like, for example, defending their Capital city from Russia or recapturing hundreds of square miles of land that Russia had occupied for months. 

What do you think the worst case scenario for Russia is 1 year from now?

Worst will probably be having to resort to nukes

[paxmao]

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Interesting, did you make the ZioNazis thing yourself? Probably not, but again, helps a lot understanding how ridiculous the arguments are - basically Nazism has only been once in government and did take the (final) decision of killing them so it is an interesting messup you got there.

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Probably others have done similar but independent syntheses, and probably they predate mine.

I use the string 'Nazi' to represent a form totalitarianism informed more or less directly by the thoughts and ideas of the German NAZI party.

I use the string 'ZioNazi' to represent the above when those who are largely driven by Zionist ideology implant 'nazi' ideas into dupes to ultimately benefit their Zionist goals.

I use the string 'ZioCon' to when talking about Zionists who identify as neoconservatives operate in ways which benefit their Zionist goals.

I use the string 'NaZioCon' for the downstream dead-enders (mostly Ukrainians currently) who are essentially dupes and victims of the machinations of some of the aforementioned groups.  Also for neoconservatives who utilize the more useful elements of nazism in their designs.

At least I try to.  I'll set aside my current hypotheses about the relationship between 'Zionists' and 'Talmudists/Kabballahists' for a later date.  They are less developed and the subject is more complex than the fairly simply political/operational stuff.

So in your world the Sionist try to implement Nazism (a sworn enemy) to benefit their goals. The discussion is unrelated to Ukraine, but you have to judge people much more for what they do than for what they  say. Could you please tell me how the actions of Putin at this point differ from those that a fascist government would take?

Thinking pan-germanism, pan-slavism... I fail to see the difference. And I get that the idea of "fighting the nazis" may be accepted in the RF society since it touches on the collective conscience to WW II and tales of heroes, but that only flies with people that choose to believe in it. Anyone with a rational thinking knows is propaganda.

As I understand it, a cauldron was formed there for at least 400 fighters of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, who heroically continue to resist without much chance of success after losing control over the dominant height. Good job Wagner.

After long months of negative success and some glorious retreats, Russia finally achieved something... Do you still dream about taking Kyiv?

For me personally, it’s enough for now that this year in Kyiv, for the first time in many years, there was no traditional torchlight procession in honor of Bandera. It is still unreasonable for Russia to take Kyiv now - together with Kyiv, it will have to take all the huge debts of Ukraine, which it has managed to do since the beginning of the special operation.

Glad to know you are revisiting expectations. It will take a few iterations of "victories by retreating" until you find out that war is costly, but for everyone. The only winner on this war is the US.

[BADecker]

Glad to know you are revisiting expectations. It will take a few iterations of "victories by retreating" until you find out that war is costly, but for everyone. The only winner on this war is the US.

"He who fights and runs away, lives to fight another day." This is especially true when it is strategically planned... Soledar.

The US will win, but not the way most people think. The US will win by its people being released from the warmongers among their leaders... the warmongers who are creating the Ukraine war.

[af_newbie]

Glad to know you are revisiting expectations. It will take a few iterations of "victories by retreating" until you find out that war is costly, but for everyone. The only winner on this war is the US.

"He who fights and runs away, lives to fight another day." This is especially true when it is strategically planned... Soledar.

The US will win, but not the way most people think. The US will win by its people being released from the warmongers among their leaders... the warmongers who are creating the Ukraine war.

Initially, I thought Russia will stop its aggression when 200K of its soldiers will be dead, but now I think it will take 3-5M of dead
Russians to stop this clusterfuck.

This war will continue for another 5-10 years or until the "Star-eek" dies or is killed.

[Branko]

Glad to know you are revisiting expectations. It will take a few iterations of "victories by retreating" until you find out that war is costly, but for everyone. The only winner on this war is the US.

"He who fights and runs away, lives to fight another day." This is especially true when it is strategically planned... Soledar.

The US will win, but not the way most people think. The US will win by its people being released from the warmongers among their leaders... the warmongers who are creating the Ukraine war.

Initially, I thought Russia will stop its aggression when 200K of its soldiers will be dead, but now I think it will take 3-5M of dead
Russians to stop this clusterfuck.

This war will continue for another 5-10 years or until the "Star-eek" dies or is killed.

Russians can't afford to lose this war, so they will probably all die before giving up

[suchmoon]

For me personally, it’s enough for now that this year in Kyiv, for the first time in many years, there was no traditional torchlight procession in honor of Bandera. It is still unreasonable for Russia to take Kyiv now - together with Kyiv, it will have to take all the huge debts of Ukraine, which it has managed to do since the beginning of the special operation.

That's a good excuse to wrap up the whole "special operation". We don't want Ukraine anymore, it's bombed to shit and in debt, let's go home. Can you pass this idea to Putin? Thanks.

[af_newbie]

Glad to know you are revisiting expectations. It will take a few iterations of "victories by retreating" until you find out that war is costly, but for everyone. The only winner on this war is the US.

"He who fights and runs away, lives to fight another day." This is especially true when it is strategically planned... Soledar.

The US will win, but not the way most people think. The US will win by its people being released from the warmongers among their leaders... the warmongers who are creating the Ukraine war.

Initially, I thought Russia will stop its aggression when 200K of its soldiers will be dead, but now I think it will take 3-5M of dead
Russians to stop this clusterfuck.

This war will continue for another 5-10 years or until the "Star-eek" dies or is killed.

Russians can't afford to lose this war, so they will probably all die before giving up

I don't think all would be that stupid or brave enough, but it seems you might be right.

Right now, they fear their tsar more than their own death.

One thing is for sure, most if not all Rashists will have to be eliminated. Just like the Nazis in Germany during WWII.

Russia, Iran, and North Korea's combined production capacity is no match against the Western military powerhouse.

This war will last for as long as Peter the Gopnik is alive.