Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress]

[Branko]

I don't think all would be that stupid or brave enough, but it seems you might be right.

Right now, they fear their tsar more than their own death.

One thing is for sure, most if not all Rashists will have to be eliminated. Just like the Nazis in Germany during WWII.

Russia, Iran, and North Korea's combined production capacity is no match against the Western military powerhouse.

This war will last for as long as Peter the Gopnik is alive.

They fear west invasion, and history say they're right about that.
Treatment of Russia by USA and their EU vassals since breakup of USSR
confirms their fears too.
Unfortunately, USA currently owns much more soft power (USD printing machine
been the most powerful part) that Russia could oppose it only by military
That is the world we live in

[be.open]

For me personally, it’s enough for now that this year in Kyiv, for the first time in many years, there was no traditional torchlight procession in honor of Bandera. It is still unreasonable for Russia to take Kyiv now - together with Kyiv, it will have to take all the huge debts of Ukraine, which it has managed to do since the beginning of the special operation.

That's a good excuse to wrap up the whole "special operation". We don't want Ukraine anymore, it's bombed to shit and in debt, let's go home. Can you pass this idea to Putin? Thanks.

I think Putin has taken a rather tough and principled position in the style of "all the goals of the special operation will be achieved in full."

[TwitchySeal]

For me personally, it’s enough for now that this year in Kyiv, for the first time in many years, there was no traditional torchlight procession in honor of Bandera. It is still unreasonable for Russia to take Kyiv now - together with Kyiv, it will have to take all the huge debts of Ukraine, which it has managed to do since the beginning of the special operation.

That's a good excuse to wrap up the whole "special operation". We don't want Ukraine anymore, it's bombed to shit and in debt, let's go home. Can you pass this idea to Putin? Thanks.

I think Putin has taken a rather tough and principled position in the style of "all the goals of the special operation will be achieved in full."

What are all of the goals?

Seems like they've changed quite a bit from back when they were planning a parade in Kiev on May 9 2022 (and it would be naive and foolish to doubt it) and stopping NATO expansion (in direct response to the war, NATO expanded to 2 more countries, both on Russias border).

In other news:

U.S. Warms to Helping Ukraine Target Crimea
The Biden administration is considering the argument that Kyiv needs the power to strike at the Ukrainian peninsula annexed by Russia in 2014.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/18/us/politics/ukraine-crimea-military.html

[LTU_btc]

I still think that Ukraine committed a great stupidity by not making an unconditional surrender in March last year. Ukraine did not have, does not have and will not have a chance in confrontation with Russia. Any tactical success is simply an increase in the number of deadweight losses and an increase in the amount of debt to Western countries, for which future generations will have to pay.

You seem to be very confident about Russia abilities to continue war for many years with unlimited number of tanks, missiles human power and etc. And at the same time you understimate West. Things like Himars is cool, but in general, NATO countries gave to Ukraine things that they don't need themelves. Like tanks from soviet era, post WW2 howitzers. But they aren't getting things what would be real game changer like long range missiles for HIMARS, combat aircrafts and etc. There is so much noise about air defense systems or Leopard tanks because West still fear to ''escalate conflict. But Ukraine achieved a lot already with things that they have.

[paxmao]

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Russians can't afford to lose this war, so they will probably all die before giving up

No no no... This is not "the Russians" -  The current RF government may not be able to survive a clear defeat. Russians can perfectly go on with their lives victorious or not. I mean, those that have not died for Putin in vain.

As I understand it, a cauldron was formed there for at least 400 fighters of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, who heroically continue to resist without much chance of success after losing control over the dominant height. Good job Wagner.

After long months of negative success and some glorious retreats, Russia finally achieved something... Do you still dream about taking Kyiv?

For me personally, it’s enough for now that this year in Kyiv, for the first time in many years, there was no traditional torchlight procession in honor of Bandera. It is still unreasonable for Russia to take Kyiv now - together with Kyiv, it will have to take all the huge debts of Ukraine, which it has managed to do since the beginning of the special operation.

Remember back a few weeks into the war when you thought Russia was going to take Kiev and throw a parade by the end of last Spring?

In Kyiv on May 9 2022, a traditional parade will be held in honor of the victory of the USSR over Nazi Germany. It is naive and foolish to doubt it.

Imagine what you would've said then, how naive and foolish you'd think of someone that told you that Ukraine would retake more than half of the land Russia occupied, force Putin to draft civilians to fight, the Moskva would be sunk, the bridge to Crimea bombed, and almost a year later Ukraine would still be fighting.  

I still think that Ukraine committed a great stupidity by not making an unconditional surrender in March last year. Ukraine did not have, does not have and will not have a chance in confrontation with Russia. Any tactical success is simply an increase in the number of deadweight losses and an increase in the amount of debt to Western countries, for which future generations will have to pay.

Just classic. ''Nazis'' in Ukraine is terrible thing, but everything is ok when criminals like serial killers, pedophilles, rapers and etc is fighting on your side. Many of time had lifteime sentences. Lifes of these peoples don't have big value in Russia, but I just remind that if they will be lucky enough to comeback alive from Ukraine, they won't get back in prisons and I'm just wondering how they will integrate in your society.

You better worry about your future. Russia has stood and will stand, but as for the prospects for Ukrainian statehood, I am less sure that it will be possible to preserve it at least in some form.

Very thoughtful of you to tell others what they should worry about. Meanwhile the RF is being played into using up the economic resources, the manpower and the political capital into a war that, even if "won" is already lost - What would you be "occupying"? A country flattened to ruins and full of people that do not want Russians there? A country in which you will need permanent military presence? A new breeding ground for possible terrorism?

But do not worry - that is not going to happen. The US strategists know that Russia is not a country to be taken militarily or by killing their people, or by taking up territory. As the cold war proved, all they have to do is embarking the RF into an attrition war - similar to the cold war that broke the USSR, but this time probably faster.

Russia will stand, for sure, in some form or shape, probably poorer... with one government or another, as for you individually, well... when there is an economic shitstorm chances are that you, your friends and your family get caught into it so take up your own advice and get ready for the crash.

I still think that Ukraine committed a great stupidity by not making an unconditional surrender in March last year. Ukraine did not have, does not have and will not have a chance in confrontation with Russia. Any tactical success is simply an increase in the number of deadweight losses and an increase in the amount of debt to Western countries, for which future generations will have to pay.

You seem to be very confident about Russia abilities to continue war for many years with unlimited number of tanks, missiles human power and etc. And at the same time you understimate West. Things like Himars is cool, but in general, NATO countries gave to Ukraine things that they don't need themelves. Like tanks from soviet era, post WW2 howitzers. But they aren't getting things what would be real game changer like long range missiles for HIMARS, combat aircrafts and etc. There is so much noise about air defense systems or Leopard tanks because West still fear to ''escalate conflict. But Ukraine achieved a lot already with things that they have.

Latest news are that Germany will provide more Patriot batteries and they are considering sending proper MBT, such as the Leopard. Things are going to get ugly for those soviet era tanks, half maintained and undermanned. All of that may not stop the war, but does accelerate the degradation of the "soviet army", the (unfortunately) killing of young RF citizens and the economic pressure on the RF military expenses.

[be.open]

I still think that Ukraine committed a great stupidity by not making an unconditional surrender in March last year. Ukraine did not have, does not have and will not have a chance in confrontation with Russia. Any tactical success is simply an increase in the number of deadweight losses and an increase in the amount of debt to Western countries, for which future generations will have to pay.

You seem to be very confident about Russia abilities to continue war for many years with unlimited number of tanks, missiles human power and etc. And at the same time you understimate West. Things like Himars is cool, but in general, NATO countries gave to Ukraine things that they don't need themelves. Like tanks from soviet era, post WW2 howitzers. But they aren't getting things what would be real game changer like long range missiles for HIMARS, combat aircrafts and etc. There is so much noise about air defense systems or Leopard tanks because West still fear to ''escalate conflict. But Ukraine achieved a lot already with things that they have.

Yep, and I have repeatedly said that time works for Russia. And I don't underestimate the West. Not only is it unprofitable for the West to enter into direct confrontation with Russia, it is also unprofitable for the excessive escalation of the Ukrainian conflict. Because if it gets out of control, this fire could engulf the whole of Europe.

[suchmoon]

I think Putin has taken a rather tough and principled position in the style of "all the goals of the special operation will be achieved in full."

Was putting up a SAM on the roof of the Russian MOD building one of the goals?

"Pantsir-S1" appeared on the roof of the main building of the Ministry of Defense. Eyewitnesses noticed it and posted photos on social networks. The footage shows an anti-aircraft missile system installed on the roof of a building on Frunzenskaya Embankment.

[paxmao]

I still think that Ukraine committed a great stupidity by not making an unconditional surrender in March last year. Ukraine did not have, does not have and will not have a chance in confrontation with Russia. Any tactical success is simply an increase in the number of deadweight losses and an increase in the amount of debt to Western countries, for which future generations will have to pay.

You seem to be very confident about Russia abilities to continue war for many years with unlimited number of tanks, missiles human power and etc. And at the same time you understimate West. Things like Himars is cool, but in general, NATO countries gave to Ukraine things that they don't need themelves. Like tanks from soviet era, post WW2 howitzers. But they aren't getting things what would be real game changer like long range missiles for HIMARS, combat aircrafts and etc. There is so much noise about air defense systems or Leopard tanks because West still fear to ''escalate conflict. But Ukraine achieved a lot already with things that they have.

Yep, and I have repeatedly said that time works for Russia. And I don't underestimate the West. Not only is it unprofitable for the West to enter into direct confrontation with Russia, it is also unprofitable for the excessive escalation of the Ukrainian conflict. Because if it gets out of control, this fire could engulf the whole of Europe.

The problem is not if it is "profitable" to confront the RF (it is already happening in case you have not noticed, it is just that Europe is not sending people), the problem is that having the RF, which has given proof of being aggressive, at the doors of Poland and Central Europe is even more expensive than "confronting".

But the cure for overconfidence is simply loosing. The problem is that it comes at a huge cost, as you will eventually learn.

I think Putin has taken a rather tough and principled position in the style of "all the goals of the special operation will be achieved in full."

Was putting up a SAM on the roof of the Russian MOD building one of the goals?
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He must have learnt about the "precision" of their own missiles.

[Gracejoy]

I am surprised there haven't been any threads opened about this yet.

In recent months, Russia has massed hundreds of thousands of troops and other military equipment on the Russia-Ukraine border. It is well known that Russia wants Ukraine to be part of its county, however Russian dictator, President Putin, has claimed that the troop mass is part of a training exercise.

The US and NATO allies are sending military equipment to Ukraine to help repeal an attack, and there is some talk about possibly sending troops to the region.

Update 2/18/22:
It appears there may have been some kind of false flag operation in Dumbas, Ukraine, an area controlled by a separatist group, today, possibly involving an alleged bombing of the car belonging to the leader of the separatist group. It is possible this is part of some kind of false flag operation to create a pretext for an invasion.

President Biden today said he believes Putin has made the decision to invade and will start an invasion in the coming days.

Update 2/21/22:
It appears an invasion has begun

Update 2/23/22:
It appears there are some kind of bombings in Kiev, the capital of Ukraine

Addressing President Putin as a detector means you are already taking sides because both countries are trying to save their sovereignties as a nation. The United Kingdom and the United States are just playing politics with the Russian people and their economic activities. The sooner the president of Ukraine understands this trick, the better for them.

[LTU_btc]

Was putting up a SAM on the roof of the Russian MOD building one of the goals?

"Pantsir-S1" appeared on the roof of the main building of the Ministry of Defense. Eyewitnesses noticed it and posted photos on social networks. The footage shows an anti-aircraft missile system installed on the roof of a building on Frunzenskaya Embankment.

That's something beyond ridiculous. Putting air defense system on the roof of building. I can't believe that they did it seriously. Ok, maybe roof can whitstand it just standing, but interesting what would happen if they would try to use it there. And then they blame Ukrainian side for deplying and using air defense system in cties.
BTW, they deployed another Pantsir nearby to Putin's residence.
https://ukranews.com/en/news/909827-air-defense-complex-set-near-putin-s-residence-near-moscow-media-showed-video
From taking Kyiv in 3 days to preparations to defend Moscow.

Not only is it unprofitable for the West to enter into direct confrontation with Russia, it is also unprofitable for the excessive escalation of the Ukrainian conflict. Because if it gets out of control, this fire could engulf the whole of Europe.

I hope you understand that going into direct confrontantion with West would be suicide move for Russia.

[BADecker]

Was putting up a SAM on the roof of the Russian MOD building one of the goals?

"Pantsir-S1" appeared on the roof of the main building of the Ministry of Defense. Eyewitnesses noticed it and posted photos on social networks. The footage shows an anti-aircraft missile system installed on the roof of a building on Frunzenskaya Embankment.

That's something beyond ridiculous. Putting air defense system on the roof of building. I can't believe that they did it seriously. Ok, maybe roof can whitstand it just standing, but interesting what would happen if they would try to use it there. And then they blame Ukrainian side for deplying and using air defense system in cties.

It's probably made of cardboard, just to fool the enemy.

Putin will probably start sending 10x the number of drones into Ukraine, 90% of them made of nothing, just to get the Ukrainians to waste ammo.

[TwitchySeal]

It's probably made of cardboard, just to fool the enemy.

And why would they try to fool the enemy with decoy air defense on a roof in Moscow.....

[Branko]

It's probably made of cardboard, just to fool the enemy.

And why would they try to fool the enemy with decoy air defense on a roof in Moscow.....

This will probably come as surprise to you, but New York, Washington etc also have air defense systems around them

[tvbcof]

It's probably made of cardboard, just to fool the enemy.

And why would they try to fool the enemy with decoy air defense on a roof in Moscow.....

This will probably come as surprise to you, but New York, Washington etc also have air defense systems around them

Except for brief periods of time when certain 'Muslims' wish to fly a few passenger planes into a few buildings.  Those bad bad 'Muslims'.

[BADecker]

It's probably made of cardboard, just to fool the enemy.

And why would they try to fool the enemy with decoy air defense on a roof in Moscow.....

At first they tried to buffalo them. Then they found that all they had was bison. So, they used cardboard instead.

[TwitchySeal]

It's probably made of cardboard, just to fool the enemy.

And why would they try to fool the enemy with decoy air defense on a roof in Moscow.....

This will probably come as surprise to you, but New York, Washington etc also have air defense systems around them

Yes I'm sure it's just business as usual in moscow, nothing to do with the special operation.  It would be foolish and naive to think otherwise.

[BADecker]

It's probably made of cardboard, just to fool the enemy.

And why would they try to fool the enemy with decoy air defense on a roof in Moscow.....

This will probably come as surprise to you, but New York, Washington etc also have air defense systems around them

Yes I'm sure it's just business as usual in moscow, nothing to do with the special operation.  It would be foolish and naive to think otherwise.

Okay. I should have said, "They tried to buffalo them, but all they could find was bison. But that sounded too much like Biden, so they used cardboard?"

[paxmao]

I am surprised there haven't been any threads opened about this yet.

In recent months, Russia has massed hundreds of thousands of troops and other military equipment on the Russia-Ukraine border. It is well known that Russia wants Ukraine to be part of its county, however Russian dictator, President Putin, has claimed that the troop mass is part of a training exercise.

The US and NATO allies are sending military equipment to Ukraine to help repeal an attack, and there is some talk about possibly sending troops to the region.

Update 2/18/22:
It appears there may have been some kind of false flag operation in Dumbas, Ukraine, an area controlled by a separatist group, today, possibly involving an alleged bombing of the car belonging to the leader of the separatist group. It is possible this is part of some kind of false flag operation to create a pretext for an invasion.

President Biden today said he believes Putin has made the decision to invade and will start an invasion in the coming days.

Update 2/21/22:
It appears an invasion has begun

Update 2/23/22:
It appears there are some kind of bombings in Kiev, the capital of Ukraine

Addressing President Putin as a detector means you are already taking sides because both countries are trying to save their sovereignties as a nation. The United Kingdom and the United States are just playing politics with the Russian people and their economic activities. The sooner the president of Ukraine understands this trick, the better for them.

No that is not true. Ukraine is defending its sovereignty, the Russian Federation is waging a war to conquer territory that belong to Ukraine. There is no threat to the Russian Federation. Even during this war, the non-combatant countries are not doing everything they could to stop the RF army and are even reluctant to send a few tanks to the Ukrainian army.

[BADecker]

^^^ Besides all the info you can find about the US backing Ukraine since 2014, and attacking parts of its own count, there is the below from Wikileaks. The West - mostly the US - doesn't care what happens. They are going to go full-blown war with Russia.

Note that there some conspiracy nuts out there that say nobody ever made the nuclear bomb work. If they are right, Russia may be dead.


WikiLeaks Cables Reveal NATO Intended To Cross All Russian Red Lines


https://southfront.org/wikileaks-cables-reveal-nato-intended-to-cross-all-russian-red-lines/
For nearly a year, the massive Western propaganda machine has been manipulating its audience into believing the "Russia's unprovoked aggression in Ukraine" narrative. The "reporting" can be crudely boiled down to the following: "On February 24, bloodthirsty Kremlin dictator Putin got up on the wrong side of the bed and decided to attack the nascent beacon of freedom and democracy in Kiev." This is mandatory in virtually all Western mainstream media and any attempt to even think of questioning it results in immediate "cancellation". Propagandists posing as "pundits" flooded political talk shows with the task of presenting decades of unrelenting NATO expansion as irrelevant to Russia's reaction.
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[suchmoon]

It's probably made of cardboard, just to fool the enemy.

And why would they try to fool the enemy with decoy air defense on a roof in Moscow.....

This will probably come as surprise to you, but New York, Washington etc also have air defense systems around them

whataboutwhataboutwhataboutwhatbout

But ok, let's play your little silly game.

Did Moscow not have "air defense systems" until now? And the best they can do is lift a vehicle-based SAM on top of a building?

I can stop laughing just thinking about the logistics of it... missiles, crew, fuel, etc. I'm guessing someone at the MOD was tasked to "protect the Kremlin from Ukrainian drones" and just went for the гaлoчкa, not too concerned with how things actually work.