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September 04, 2014, 07:48:12 AM
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These tangents are highly unproductive.

We are wasting a tremendous amount of time on inconsequential matters (mostly focused on coin markets, price, and c.)

Instead of us asking "how can I help" and "what can I do now" in the spirit of Karma, our brains are attracted to what basically amounts to horse poo.

Karma is about helping others, right? How can we help others and not help our own community?

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September 04, 2014, 07:55:57 AM
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how can I help?
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September 04, 2014, 08:08:42 AM
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how can I help?

Thanks for your response.

What skills and abilities do you have?

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September 04, 2014, 08:16:59 AM
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how can I help?

Thanks for your response.

What skills and abilities do you have?

Unfortunately I have zero programming skills.....Perhaps I can help with writing, promoting, or anything non-technical in nature? I'm not sure what needs to be done that I can help with but I'm here and willing.

I teach gymnastics, I make hip hop music, I am a songwriter, and I have 20 years of academic study on the Israel/Palestinian conflict.....so in other words, I'm useless....unless you have any good ideas?
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September 04, 2014, 08:28:30 AM
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how can I help?

Thanks for your response.

What skills and abilities do you have?

Unfortunately I have zero programming skills.....Perhaps I can help with writing, promoting, or anything non-technical in nature? I'm not sure what needs to be done that I can help with but I'm here and willing.

Nearly every person has skills that can be utilized, I think.

Is your experience with writing and promoting?

Also, do you prefer to self-organize or be told exactly what to do, or something in the middle?

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September 04, 2014, 08:41:00 AM
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I have skills in many things I'm just not sure how teaching gymnastics, songwriting, or being an expert on middle eastern history/politics/culture is helpful for this particular endeavor....so in that case I'm open to any suggestions...tell me what to do...if it's something I can do..I'll do it...too much complaining out there..not enough making it happen.
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September 04, 2014, 08:46:25 AM
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I have skills in many things I'm just not sure how teaching gymnastics, songwriting, or being an expert on middle eastern history/politics/culture is helpful for this particular endeavor....so in that case I'm open to any suggestions...tell me what to do...if it's something I can do..I'll do it...too much complaining out there..not enough making it happen.

Teaching gymnastics = possible teaching skills, which could help others to understand Karma better

Songwriting = creativity, good for marketing. Possibly also writing some catching copy for other efforts.

Middle eastern expert = understanding of a particular local market of nearly 1 billion people. Could be valuable.

May I ask, how much time do you think you could realistically commit to an effort if you had tasks to perform? (Nothing long-term, just as a reference)

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September 04, 2014, 09:00:54 AM
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Anyone working on any android projects?

I am a senior member in the xda developers forums. (Was previously developing ROMs in the past)
You can checkout my profile here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/member.php?u=4554955

Need some help? Send me a PM  Grin

This would be great.
I think your experience can help karma tremendously. I think we desperately need a mobile wallet and the ability to build services around it. This is the single most important thing if we want karma to be accepted worldwide, a means to transfer karma using your phone...
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September 04, 2014, 09:12:55 AM
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Well kosmost i feel likenyou are not helping either atm. It feels like people want to start doing stuff, but you just go further with other people and they give up, like me.

Ofcourse, you are helping, but this is how i feel after posting 30 comments that and i want to help and asking how far the development of karmX is and what is already planned or which ideas are there to bring KarmX to the philipenes. So if someone actually starts answering me and starts to answer my offer to help, i iwill do whatever non-programming stuff has to be done.

So, shoot.
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September 04, 2014, 09:52:48 AM
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Well kosmost i feel likenyou are not helping either atm. It feels like people want to start doing stuff, but you just go further with other people and they give up, like me.

Ofcourse, you are helping, but this is how i feel after posting 30 comments that and i want to help and asking how far the development of karmX is and what is already planned or which ideas are there to bring KarmX to the philipenes. So if someone actually starts answering me and starts to answer my offer to help, i iwill do whatever non-programming stuff has to be done.

So, shoot.

I think he's just p****d about what happened and the following backlash he got.
I can see his point about people not committing to karma other than buying.
I've bought my first karma in late May/early June and I can relate to what he's saying. It's true that there's not been too much help around the coin with the exception of a few members.
I'm also guilty of this, although I've offered to do some work on the android front but since there's no API ready and my skills are limited, nothing has moved on that front. Hope now with the help of Fitamp we can move forward.
So I think we must reorganize and try to do things in another way. Don't rely too much on the community help for now but try and pay some people that can do our basic infrastructure. Then, with enough exposure, we'll get newcomers that will see the benefits of helping karma grow and use their skills to good use. Right now it's hard for people to see the big picture, kosmost says he's not too interested on the price, but the price is a good indicator and a powerful mindset helper that should not be discounted.
I wish I had better skills so I could help karma grow. Right now I can give my opinion and try to help where I can, I'm in the red and I've not lost faith in Karma.
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September 04, 2014, 09:55:28 AM
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I have skills in many things I'm just not sure how teaching gymnastics, songwriting, or being an expert on middle eastern history/politics/culture is helpful for this particular endeavor....so in that case I'm open to any suggestions...tell me what to do...if it's something I can do..I'll do it...too much complaining out there..not enough making it happen.

Teaching gymnastics = possible teaching skills, which could help others to understand Karma better

Songwriting = creativity, good for marketing. Possibly also writing some catching copy for other efforts.

Middle eastern expert = understanding of a particular local market of nearly 1 billion people. Could be valuable.

May I ask, how much time do you think you could realistically commit to an effort if you had tasks to perform? (Nothing long-term, just as a reference)

I'm sure I could manage an hour a day if not more depending on the task and my circumstances
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September 04, 2014, 09:57:17 AM
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Well kosmost i feel likenyou are not helping either atm. It feels like people want to start doing stuff, but you just go further with other people and they give up, like me.

Ofcourse, you are helping, but this is how i feel after posting 30 comments that and i want to help and asking how far the development of karmX is and what is already planned or which ideas are there to bring KarmX to the philipenes. So if someone actually starts answering me and starts to answer my offer to help, i iwill do whatever non-programming stuff has to be done.

So, shoot.

Was that before or after your accusation that the "the big dump" was on my side? lol

All in good spirits.. though I did not respond to your Karma casino idea because, although well thought out, I don't think it's suitable for what Karma is.

You've had some other good ideas as well, but as you mentioned what we need now is active execution in the direction of our intention.

Feel free to just jump in with what you think is necessary. As you mentioned, you're a people person and good with words so perhaps you could organize a couple of people on tasks? The primary task being a basic marketing/branding message for the new direction, or coming up with a clear and concise description of our initial target market?

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September 04, 2014, 09:58:02 AM
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I have skills in many things I'm just not sure how teaching gymnastics, songwriting, or being an expert on middle eastern history/politics/culture is helpful for this particular endeavor....so in that case I'm open to any suggestions...tell me what to do...if it's something I can do..I'll do it...too much complaining out there..not enough making it happen.

Teaching gymnastics = possible teaching skills, which could help others to understand Karma better

Songwriting = creativity, good for marketing. Possibly also writing some catching copy for other efforts.

Middle eastern expert = understanding of a particular local market of nearly 1 billion people. Could be valuable.

May I ask, how much time do you think you could realistically commit to an effort if you had tasks to perform? (Nothing long-term, just as a reference)

I'm sure I could manage an hour a day if not more depending on the task and my circumstances

Can you work with Bierworst on the above? Namely, "The primary task being a basic marketing/branding message for the new direction, or coming up with a clear and concise description of our initial target market?"

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September 04, 2014, 10:03:46 AM
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I have skills in many things I'm just not sure how teaching gymnastics, songwriting, or being an expert on middle eastern history/politics/culture is helpful for this particular endeavor....so in that case I'm open to any suggestions...tell me what to do...if it's something I can do..I'll do it...too much complaining out there..not enough making it happen.

Teaching gymnastics = possible teaching skills, which could help others to understand Karma better

Songwriting = creativity, good for marketing. Possibly also writing some catching copy for other efforts.

Middle eastern expert = understanding of a particular local market of nearly 1 billion people. Could be valuable.

May I ask, how much time do you think you could realistically commit to an effort if you had tasks to perform? (Nothing long-term, just as a reference)

I'm sure I could manage an hour a day if not more depending on the task and my circumstances

Can you work with Bierworst on the above? Namely, "The primary task being a basic marketing/branding message for the new direction, or coming up with a clear and concise description of our initial target market?"

sure
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September 04, 2014, 10:05:53 AM
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Well kosmost i feel likenyou are not helping either atm. It feels like people want to start doing stuff, but you just go further with other people and they give up, like me.

Ofcourse, you are helping, but this is how i feel after posting 30 comments that and i want to help and asking how far the development of karmX is and what is already planned or which ideas are there to bring KarmX to the philipenes. So if someone actually starts answering me and starts to answer my offer to help, i iwill do whatever non-programming stuff has to be done.

So, shoot.

Was that before or after your accusation that the "the big dump" was on my side? lol

All in good spirits.. though I did not respond to your Karma casino idea because, although well thought out, I don't think it's suitable for what Karma is.

You've had some other good ideas as well, but as you mentioned what we need now is active execution in the direction of our intention.

Feel free to just jump in with what you think is necessary. As you mentioned, you're a people person and good with words so perhaps you could organize a couple of people on tasks? The primary task being a basic marketing/branding message for the new direction, or coming up with a clear and concise description of our initial target market?

I think you are rephrasing the 'big dump was on your side' wrong. What i said was that that vc was trying to screw us over entirely. I thought in my wildest fantasy, that he would take our lill, take our kosmost and take our karma to dump it later. I hope you understood that i did not say that you made that happen, all i said is that i thought the vc did not have good intentions with karma.
After what you explained, the vc did not have any intentions at all.

So just to clear things up, our initial target market will be bringing karma to the poor and unbanked people in the Philippines or perhaps more countries? Just to get that straight
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September 04, 2014, 10:10:38 AM
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Well kosmost i feel likenyou are not helping either atm. It feels like people want to start doing stuff, but you just go further with other people and they give up, like me.

Ofcourse, you are helping, but this is how i feel after posting 30 comments that and i want to help and asking how far the development of karmX is and what is already planned or which ideas are there to bring KarmX to the philipenes. So if someone actually starts answering me and starts to answer my offer to help, i iwill do whatever non-programming stuff has to be done.

So, shoot.

I think he's just p****d about what happened and the following backlash he got.
I can see his point about people not committing to karma other than buying.
I've bought my first karma in late May/early June and I can relate to what he's saying. It's true that there's not been too much help around the coin with the exception of a few members.
I'm also guilty of this, although I've offered to do some work on the android front but since there's no API ready and my skills are limited, nothing has moved on that front. Hope now with the help of Fitamp we can move forward.
So I think we must reorganize and try to do things in another way. Don't rely too much on the community help for now but try and pay some people that can do our basic infrastructure. Then, with enough exposure, we'll get newcomers that will see the benefits of helping karma grow and use their skills to good use. Right now it's hard for people to see the big picture, kosmost says he's not too interested on the price, but the price is a good indicator and a powerful mindset helper that should not be discounted.
I wish I had better skills so I could help karma grow. Right now I can give my opinion and try to help where I can, I'm in the red and I've not lost faith in Karma.

Sorry, upset at.....? What is it that happened? This is not really clear to me. Yes, I can see that some people are expressing certain views. But are these views about an event that "happened" or the current state of affairs? I have too much experience to get my panties in a bunch every time the price goes up or down. It's not just a poker face, it's just that I have a different idea of value.

For example, it would take the equivalent of $200 to change the mood of this forum completely by buying up to 92 litoshis. For the cost of lunch I could change the mood of quite a few people here. (It's ridiculous, isn't it?) I've seen quite a few people get excited (and become more involved) recently when the price goes up a mere 10%. To me, it's ridiculous that quite a few people base their moods and feelings (and responses) on what equates to about $5.

Just different ideas of value, I suppose. My vision is more longer-term, not daytrader-like. I'm guessing that 90% of us watch the market at least 1x a day. I could be mistaken, but it seems like it.

Psychologically, the KARMA/LTC market (and, to a lesser extend the KARMA/BTC market) has become our "target". This is completely backwards but there's not much that I can do about it other than continue to talk about, and illustrate, value over price.

Our target is not the bitcointalk forum or the cryptocurrency community. That is a huge mistake that we have been making from Day 1. But we continue to act and respond as though it was. Our target should be the people who need Karma the most.

But our market now (cryptocurrency) is comprised mostly of people who don't really know what value is, unfortunately. Karma is like any other start-up, and that's what a lot of people don't seem to realize. We have customers, a community, and a team. And there is little distinction between any of it.

Our market should be completely different if we are to succeed. Our focus needs to shift to where people need it most, not to where people are entertained most. This is not a game, nor should we treat it like one.

With what I charge for my time I could buy 2 cars a day. I'm not saying that to boast, but to illustrate a point. I am working for the 20 year-old who put his savings into Karma and wants to see it grow. I spent hours making Karmashares certificates myself in order that Karma may grow into something great (and make sure it's done properly, of course). Database, website, graphics, text, tweets, tweaks, and just about everything else.. all from the heart. Isn't that what Karma is all about? Yes, I care that much about Karma. It's just disappointing that there are very few who are dedicated enough to "just do it" and stop talking about doing something (or telling others what needs to be done).

When I read some of the posts here all I can do is shake my head. How is it possible that the majority here don't know the value of Karma? Or the value of 1 Karma? I cherish each and every Karma. That's why I haven't spent any of your Karma yet and am very careful with how it will be spent. Because I know many of you worked hard for it. I am very careful with other people's money, even if I am not overly concerned with how I spend my own.

Some of us should do as much as we can to turn that 1 Karma into something special. It's what I am here for. Although I do not watch the markets daily, perhaps there aren't many here who are concerned with the actual value of Karma in this way.

Adding value today = adding price tomorrow. There is a correlation, of course.

I can't say that I am upset at people saying that we need to do something, yet not getting started and just doing it. It's just frustrating, not upsetting. Actually, it's been this way since the beginning (which is why I stepped up to the plate) and we have never really had an active team that was actually getting stuff done.

There is not much difference in this category from April 4, the first day I began working on Karma. We still have the same level of involvement and I continue to press others to be more active (team and community).

If 90% of us are overly concerned with price I can see to it that I am not. Besides, I tend to think more about value. My experience in having created more than 1 very successful company is not to focus on price more than adding value.

However, there aren't many examples of getting a group of volunteers together to work on something. Even the members of the A-Team got compensated for their efforts. In times of crises, sure. But perhaps not for cryptocurrency.

We can almost guarantee that if we created good-sized bounties for simple tasks that they will not be completed 100%. Anyone here is welcome to try it again.

By the way.. how would you like to re-organize?

Thanks for your suggestions Smiley



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September 04, 2014, 10:16:44 AM
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Evolve, check your inbox Wink
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Honestly, I have no idea about block explorers or their API. But what I do know is android, not so much on the app development side, but more so the operating system side. This doesn't mean that I won't be able to help out with the mobile wallet for android though.... I'm interested in this to base my work off of https://github.com/schildbach/bitcoin-wallet it is the source code for a android bitcoin wallet. I will start some work on this over the next few days since I'm still dealing with a sickness. But I will keep updated  Grin
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September 04, 2014, 10:55:43 AM
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Kosmost and others what i suggest:

I want to lift of the weight of the people working nearly the entire day for karma or developing things, in the meaning that i take care of the updates and the progress. I want to be the person who people send updates to and i send them out organised to the comunity. Like the android app, because this is fundamental if we want to achieve our goal of bringing karma to other countries.

Second, can there be a new thread, were there is only being brainstormed about BRINGING KARMA TO OTHER COUNTRIES LIKE THE UNBANKED PEOPLE IN THE PHILIPPINES once we agree  on certain aspects evolve and i will write a plan of what the community wants to achieve and what is needed to Achieve this project. I am talking about fundamental things that have to be done. If this is clear we can start a new way of setting people on tasks, i will help with that but before discussing this we got to have our plan ready.

So kosmost and others, or you for or against this? Because we need to be organized to achieve great goals. Control is a key aspect in achieving anything.
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Kosmost and others what i suggest:

I want to lift of the weight of the people working nearly the entire day for karma or developing things, in the meaning that i take care of the updates and the progress. I want to be the person who people send updates to and i send them out organised to the comunity. Like the android app, because this is fundamental if we want to achieve our goal of bringing karma to other countries.

Second, can there be a new thread, were there is only being brainstormed about BRINGING KARMA TO OTHER COUNTRIES LIKE THE UNBANKED PEOPLE IN THE PHILIPPINES once we agree  on certain aspects evolve and i will write a plan of what the community wants to achieve and what is needed to Achieve this project. I am talking about fundamental things that have to be done. If this is clear we can start a new way of setting people on tasks, i will help with that but before discussing this we got to have our plan ready.

So kosmost and others, or you for or against this? Because we need to be organized to achieve great goals. Control is a key aspect in achieving anything.
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