Excuse me, this will be my first post. Though I am a long time Karma "supporter". I have several hundred millions of them and I exchanged some too for karmashares.
I am happy that, a good named coin like KARMA has survived and proved that the community that took it over is not a scam and showed genuine concern for it and the people who trusted them.
Now, because of the recent events, the vibes I can read in this thread has gone to being light and happy to sad and bitter.
Awesome first post! I applaud you. Allow me to respond...
What is wrong?
I guess the leadership method is wrong. While the team are honest and works hard for the benefit of karma, some of them act authoritarian and cold whenever someone new express views and ideas different to what they hold as important, like kosmost will bash those who talk about the price (hey wake up value is about the price, let them talk of what is important to them, the important thing is that they trust you and make the effort to be active here). This is very unhealthy to a community that supposed to grow and help. The community may exert all their effort to bring in more karma user, but if they experience, hostility from hot headed and overly protective karma team members as though they are the only ones who have good enough ideas to pay attention to, then those new karma user will shut their mouth and be silent investors instead, that is if they even decide to stay.
This kind of community leadership is only good to the paid corporate environment. Not in a volunteer based community, which karma is still in until today. Even paid workers will appreciate being appreciated. I even read some karma team treating some posters as though they are just there to leech coins. Bad karma.
It's good to appreciate people. That's why I came up with the idea of the Karmawards, to show our appreciation for members of the team and community for their hard work. See here:
http://karmashares.com/forums/index.php/board,50.0.htmlHowever, I've retired the thread after I realized that people didn't really like the idea (because of lack of new posts)
It's unfortunate that you feel that I "bash" those who talk about price. There is nothing wrong about price. There is a tremendous imbalance between price posts versus value posts, which is what I often highlight (and I've stated as much before). If you can back up your statement with a post of mine (where I am bashing someone who is talking about price) I'd love to see it.
Maybe the team is made up of super rich guys that are used to looking down on their employees, or whatever it is that made some of them bossy and snob, they have good places to fill here. But not in community communication, sorry you will only negate the effort of the community to bring in more karma user base. Much less find people who will volunteer under your supervision. Look at socoban, what happened to him? Did he not volunteer and made the explorer? When he raised valid inquiries how was he treated? Like an enemy. We are not enemies here. Or maybe that's how the team feels whenever someone raises a valid question on how they conduct their affairs.
Sorry, but this isn't the case. I'm not sure where you get that idea from.
Please let me know what valid questions were raised that you feel were not responded to, so we can discuss it.
So please. I know I will be pissing many of you. But let this be a reminder, if you are not good in maintaining the small community that still shows loyalty to this Karma coin don't expect the community to grow.
I can't think of any reason why you would be.
I agree on your last point.
How do you suggest we foster the right kind of community here on bitcointalk?
Kosmost maybe good. Heck no one can do what he have done so far for this coin. But he cannot do it alone, but whenever he says his team is only talking and not doing anything, he may think he is saying the truth. But he forgets that with that kind of statements, whatever small help he is getting will also be affected. In the end, the ones who will stay with him are those who really just talk and praise him. Those community members who work for free and get that treatment will surely choose to just let go of whatever unappreciated work they are doing. So while kosmost will not be able to do this endeavor alone, the way he speaks here in this forum now will lead him to work alone.
Sorry, but I have not said that the "team is only talking and not doing anything". I do tend to choose my words carefully, and am conscious of not saying something like that.
If I say "team" I also include myself. I am not saying that the entire Karma team does not do anything. KarmaKaGuy has been very good at setting tasks and getting stuff done. But I will not lie and say that most of us are doing something, because it isn't true. There is also a lot of things that I haven't yet done. I am part of the team, as well.
however, I do not want to name names and say which members of the team have been active on their tasks and which have not. But I don't beat around the bush.. if someone's not doing their job I will ask them politely the first few times. After that, I will talk to the team about it. After that, it will just be a matter of public record. And I expect the team to call me out on tasks as well, and they've done just that. We can't say that we want transparency but not want to know when people aren't doing their jobs, can we?
It is evident, kosmost is good with business, but is not as good in growing and maintaining the community people. Let kosmost lead karmashares/and all karmashare businesses.
Make bitwho the leader in communicating to the community here or anyone else that you deem good in human relations. For Pete sake do not let a hot head speak for karma. If a karma representative shows aggressive behavior in public that would reflect bad for this community and the coin.
It doesn't matter if I am good at business or not. What matters is the results I provide to Karma, and the way we go about achieving those results.
Fortunately, I am not the community manager nor have I aimed to be. That role was assigned to Delaforetnoire, who we have not heard from in a long while. However, I tend to respond to posts on our various channels as much as I can. I am not the kind of person to lead a community and am under no impressions that I should be.
I propose that we try
you as the community leader. if this is your first post I'd love to see what else you have to offer. You raise some good points and you seem like someone who could help get stuff done.
Re-organize. People who use karma, add value to it. Lose them and you lose the value you say you are working for.
There really isn't anyone using Karma now. We have not found our market because we had not previously identified it. Now that we have identified it to some extent, we are not pursuing it.
But I propose that cryptocurrecny people are not the kinds of people to lead the community formed by our target market
Maybe this will not be important when you pay the people working for karma and you can all act as angry managers, but until then, this community will gain much in treating each other the way you may want to be treated.
And next time, don't let the community wait for something negative like a no deal. it will always look fishy.
This has already been explained. Perhaps you missed the explanation. Negotiations took place up until August 31. To notify the community of a result before negotiations have ended (or to post certain things publicly, where anyone including the VC could read them) would not make sense.
Another thing, I understand that the coins exchanged in karmashares are fund for development. Why is it that until now, nothing is developed that was paid for by it? Are we waiting for a time when those coins' value is too little to be used? Pay the devs! Just like how you paid Hiro. pay for what karma and karmashares need. Don't expect the volunteers to churn out anything. Karma is past that point of volunteerism. There is fund now to keep things moving. Use that.
To those who work for karma and karmashare, please keep up the good works and change the bad ones. Thanks. (note* I will re-post this whenever I see someone does these things again)
One of the purposes of the fund would be for development, yes.
Previously, our LTC market did not have the volume to sell some of the Karma without disrupting the market. There are other reasons, too, but I think that is mostly it.
When you can find some devs we'd love to pay them
We are not expecting volunteers to do everything. However, we do expect a few people in the community to help with organization and getting these efforts together.
Thanks again for your suggestions and comments. Please keep them coming!
