[ANN][VRC] VeriCoin Proof of Stake-Time Currency | New Roadmap Released

[chunkyjunkie]

Hard Fork is dangerous and stupid ............did bitcoin hard fork after Mtgox no ............its MP fault let them suffer ............no Fork if ur dumb enough to leave ur shit on MP u deserve to lose

You really don't understand they must fork and that it is best for the community also?  Mostly the hackers will lose.  Without the fork 51% attack...

[XbladeX]

Because one guy can rollback coin... this is evidence

You need to learn a little more of the concept of what a hard fork is. If 'one guy' attempted a hard fork and the rest of the coin's community did not accept it, do you know what happens? Nothing. No fork takes place.
We have been told why a fork needs to occur, but it requires the majority to accept it. So, no, it is not 'one guy' performing a hard fork, it is the community.
Decentralised.
Check-and-mate, ignoramus.

"
1) We lost a considerable amount of VeriCoin in the attack, however we have been working with the VRC developers and all major exchanges to hard fork the coin at a position before the attack. " = rollback in short ( https://support.mintpal.com/index.php?module=announce&sec=view&id=17 )

Have little guys decided about that hard fork or you got solution and have to accept it ?
NO.  Devs and exchanges comes out with ultimate solution to save their business mostly.
Answers is no - those hard decision was taken by developer and exchange owners...
You can only accept it or no...
Try do the same with decentralized  BTC...
Check-and-mate, ignoramus.

[KidenceBgd]

Why VRC to pay for others mistakes? That's funny...I belive in devs and for me VRC as already BIG...

[tylerderden]

I say fuck em' do the roll back and let the chips fall where they may. If nothing else the scumbag twats that pulled this shit should get nothing. Even though most likely they are in this thread right now trying to convince everyone that they are big holders looking out for the coin. Fork it, Fork it good and hard.

[cryptodevil]

Try do the same with decentralized  BTC...
Check-and-mate, ignoramus.

BTC has hard forked previously. You, sir, are merely insistent on baring your ignorance to the world.

[buy4crypto]

Hard Fork is dangerous and stupid ............did bitcoin hard fork after Mtgox no ............its MP fault let them suffer ............no Fork if ur dumb enough to leave ur shit on MP u deserve to lose

Did bitcoin catch the problem right away?

[alwa1]

Hard Fork is dangerous and stupid ............did bitcoin hard fork after Mtgox no ............its MP fault let them suffer ............no Fork if ur dumb enough to leave ur shit on MP u deserve to lose

Did bitcoin catch the problem right away?

not because of robbery

[Kgman]

I say fuck MP fuck em right in the ass ..............we still got Bittrex and after MP fails do the Hard fork lol .............bye bye MP

teach them a lesson in security ...........serves them right for listing shitcoins like ISIS and getting paid off for listing ..........can u hear them crying over at MP

[phzi]

MintPal fucked up... it's not the VRC community's responsibility to fix this.  MintPal needs to cover the lost coins out of their own pocket - PERIOD.

If the VRC devs try to push a roll back, this coin is worse then dead in the water.  Obviously, if a rollback like this is possible, the blockchain cannot be relied upon as a fixed ledger, and therefore the coin is useless.

[majeis]

MintPal fucked up... it's not the VRC community's responsibility to fix this.  MintPal needs to cover the lost coins out of their own pocket - PERIOD.

If the VRC devs try to push a roll back, this coin is worse then dead in the water.  Obviously, if a rollback like this is possible, the blockchain cannot be relied upon as a fixed ledger, and therefore the coin is useless.

I'm willing to bet some of you are the same person, so I'll pose this question to more than one of you since I doubt none of you will give an appropriate answer:

So you think a guaranteed ongoing 51% attack or an insta-dump is a better alternative?

Please explain why.

[XbladeX]

Try do the same with decentralized  BTC...
Check-and-mate, ignoramus.

BTC has hard forked previously. You, sir, are merely insistent on baring your ignorance to the world.

BTC fork didn't roll back transactions this is difference...
Anyway here is hard decision to make and no winners at the and because of fail coin build mostly.
Don't get me wrong all types of coins have their problems.

[blacky90]

8millions....

comon guys its over! vrc is dead it will take a long time until vrc recovered


fuck mintpal

[Soul_eater_123]

Guys it is suicide to roll back because of Mintpal.  Mintpal should be made to pay for the losses.  No exchange should have the ability to force a hardfork in a coin because of their failure.  This will ruin the credibility of Vericoin purely to save Mintpal.  Mintpal is a vicious cancer to the community and this just proves it.

[ofp]

I think some information is missing in the discussion:
1) As stated by MP, VARIOUS exchanges have halted trading with VRC. The robbed coins can't be traded at this time
2) It is therefore a community decision to halt trading until devs come up with a solution. It's not a single and isolated devs move
3) The problem was related to the withdrawal door at MP and there was a single transaction moving the 8M coins. This means that the coins were transferred to a single wallet and can be perfectly and easily followed up
4) The hardfork that will be created by devs will most likely isolate that single transaction and all the transaction subtree that followed. But it will probably leave intact all other transactions, whether they happened before of after the theft
5) The exchanges will reimburse people who lost money transacting with the thieves (if there was any transaction at all)
6) As a result, the whole community will be secured and the single transaction that will suffer is the one where the coins are stolen
I believe VRC is going stronger after this.

[J9901]

I think I can honestly say I've read up on all relevant information on the current situation and I've come to one solid conclusion:



Once this is resolved, see you guys on the moon. 

[Kgman]

Devs dont have the final say it takes 51% ............

[kpierce77]

Here is the cold truth, you want to know why people keep their coins on exchanges instead of staking them?

Because they are paralyzed with fear that people like Iconic Expert or Bryce Weiner will dump any moment when the time is right and they want to be able to exit quickly to not lose their shirts.

So Bryce can go stuff it with his talks of blockchain security, he helps to create the most insecure and paranoid market in the world.

You sir... are correct.  Unfortunately, I had all my BC in my wallet on my laptop back in April during the BC crash from 94000 satoshi allll the way down to 14000.  I wish I had my BC on Mintpal at the time because I could've sold during that crash.  I lost $5,200 of profit because of that.  Here's the thing though: I didn't have my BC on Mintpal at that time because of what happened with BC on Cryptorush.in back in March when they lost everyone's BC on that exchange, so I figured keeping them in my own wallet was safer.  It's safer, but yes you can't panic sell when your coins aren't on an exchange.  Since then I've kept my coins on exchanges.  Not sure I'm going to anymore after this.

Its just a thought, but wouldn't it be cheeky evil genius-ish to perpetrate that assault in Cryptorush.in just to cause that exact reaction? People moving the BCs to the wallets and therefore making them slower to react to the big-ass-dump so the dumpers can do it at will and without loosing money in the way down?

Uh..

Eth.

That WOULD be evil genius, however probably evil genius on the part of the dumpers to take advantage of the opportunity of such an event.  In other words, I doubt the dumpers in April were in on that hack of Cryptorush in March just so they could cause people to keep their coins in their wallets, all for the purpose of a month later to dump on everybody on Mintpal while people are rendered helpless by their staking coins.  Although, money talks.  It would be very easy to bribe someone at Cryptorush to announce that all their BC had mysteriously disappeared due to a hack, thereby inciting fear, and causing what you suggested.  Cryptorush has a reputation for being quite shady from what I hear.  If that was "their" grand plan, then it worked.  However, the problem with this conspiracy is that as far as I know it hasn't been tried again, unless that's what's happening right now with VRC.  First rule of making shady money is even if you make it by deceiving people, keep doing it over and over again until the deception's exposed, then move onto something else.  No other coin that I know of since March has been stolen from an exchange in order to incite fear, cause people to move their coins to their wallets to stake, thereby rendering them helpless during a dump later on.  I mean, there are some really smart people in crypto.  Really smart.  I doubt Iconic Expert's that smart lol

[Soul_eater_123]

2) It is therefore a community decision to halt trading until devs come up with a solution. It's not a single and isolated devs move

That's a bullshit definition of a community decision.  It was decided by Mintpal and dictated to the VRC development team.  The other exchanges had little choice but to follow.  The community had zero choice.

3) The problem was related to the withdrawal door at MP and there was a single transaction moving the 8M coins. This means that the coins were transferred to a single wallet and can be perfectly and easily followed up

Yes

4) The hardfork that will be created by devs will most likely isolate that single transaction and all the transaction subtree that followed. But it will probably leave intact all other transactions, whether they happened before of after the theft

No that's not how it works unless they go in and completely alter the blockchain which is even more disturbing.

5) The exchanges will reimburse people who lost money transacting with the thieves (if there was any transaction at all)

You mean Mintpal? No they won't - we wouldn't need a hardfork if they did this.

6) As a result, the whole community will be secured and the single transaction that will suffer is the one where the coins are stolen
I believe VRC is going stronger after this.

Keep sticking your tongue up Mintpal's arse.  This is a case of destroying Vericoin to save Mintpal and nothing less.  Stop being a mindless shill.

[tigerwood0432]

Can't you see the opportunity ? THIS ATTACK WILL BRING VRC TO THE MEDIA ATTENTION = ITS UNIQUE = ALL NEWSPAPERS , CRYPTO-MAGAZINES , TELEVISION , FORUMS , BLOGS , RADIOS ,  EVERYBODY IN THE CRYPTO-WORLD  WILL TALK ABOUT VERICOIN . IT WILL BE THE NEXT BTC

[professorY]

Guys it is suicide to roll back because of Mintpal.  Mintpal should be made to pay for the losses.  No exchange should have the ability to force a hardfork in a coin because of their failure.  This will ruin the credibility of Vericoin purely to save Mintpal.  Mintpal is a vicious cancer to the community and this just proves it.

This.

If this rollback is done to cover MintPal's fuck up, the devs lose all credibility and are simply paid code monkeys for the exchanges.

Is that really what the community wants from a coin that had so much potential?

This is make or break time. The decisions made now will either cement VRC as a solid force in crypto or doom it to a slow and painful death.