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July 14, 2014, 04:14:01 AM
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Any bank compromised of 2 million USD that was discovered hours later would not be resolved as easy. This is BIG news for the financial industry, and probably annoying to the technology purists who want you to care about there next anon feature, or the paranoid banker people.

This is what a coin will need to break the mold, and current stigmas and go mainstream. I bet on it

You are a complete retard.  VRC's dev team's actions have centralized and compromised the integrity of it's blockchain, period.  How do you not understand this?  What they have chosen to do is in fact a bad thing, not a good thing.

It may be a "lesser of two evils" (though that very is debatable), but it is still evil, nonetheless.

+1 this coin is done for

How many are you selling, you are putting a lot of real sell pressure on the market? Nope, just fud.. Cause you guys that *tried* to steal the money got worked by a community that stands up for whats right, not whats status quo.


I don't know how much FUDDER get paid by other devs to spread fud here ? 3 bc/hour ? Any tough ?



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July 14, 2014, 04:14:13 AM
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Anyone who may have been mining at http://pool.vericoin.info/ should probably re-point their miners to a pool that is actually mining since this pool appears to have been brought down as well.  I may have missed the notice that the official Vericoin in-house mining operations that mine other coins and then trade for Vericoin was also going to be shutdown, but some sort of notice would have been nice.

While I understand that new Vericoin payouts from the selling of other mined coins would necessarily be delayed until the Vericoin markets were enabled again and the profits converted to Vericoin, that should not prevent the profitable mining of the non-Vericoin coins thus abandoning the miners using your pool and leaving them mining a big heaping helping of "Jack Squat".

Is MP going to compensate for lost mining time due to their lack of basic security protocols?

How about an official notification that the miners at this pool are currently sucking air!

Perhaps the VRC devs should compensate you for that lost mining time as well.

The VRC devs moved too quickly on this decision in my view. And users/miners like yourself are affected by this negatively. But they do not seem to care.

Mining VeriCoin is through wallet VIA POS. If you wish to mine it they have 1 pool open with about 30 people in it at a time, Fud on!

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Anyone who may have been mining at http://pool.vericoin.info/ should probably re-point their miners to a pool that is actually mining since this pool appears to have been brought down as well.  I may have missed the notice that the official Vericoin in-house mining operations that mine other coins and then trade for Vericoin was also going to be shutdown, but some sort of notice would have been nice.

While I understand that new Vericoin payouts from the selling of other mined coins would necessarily be delayed until the Vericoin markets were enabled again and the profits converted to Vericoin, that should not prevent the profitable mining of the non-Vericoin coins thus abandoning the miners using your pool and leaving them mining a big heaping helping of "Jack Squat".

Is MP going to compensate for lost mining time due to their lack of basic security protocols?

How about an official notification that the miners at this pool are currently sucking air!

Perhaps the VRC devs should compensate you for that lost mining time as well.

The VRC devs moved too quickly on this decision in my view. And users/miners like yourself are affected by this negatively. But they do not seem to care.


moving quick = less transactions being undone = minimal damage
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July 14, 2014, 04:16:11 AM
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If Hard Fork is done VRC will be used as toilet paper................DEVS DONT HAVE FINAL SAY 51% WILL WIN ...............if devs had fork and we dont update wallets them it will not fork

Correct me if I am wrong, but if the thieves control roughly 30% of the wallets, and presumably they will not update, does this mean that for the hard fork to go through, it will take roughly 72% of the remaining wallets to agree to the fork?  This seems like a really high percentage to expect to vote yes on this.

Um, I don't think there's a vote.  I think the dev's already decided that this is what needs to be done.

Developers cannot unilaterally fork a thing unless over half the wallets agree.  30% of the wallets are going to be against the fork already, making the 51% target much harder to reach.  Or am I wrong?

I'd like to know the answer to this.

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2. Fork the blockchain to block the stolen coins and effectively destroy them.
Vericoin will survive. Hacker has no coins. No threat to system. Coin amount reduced, value goes up.
Mintpal customers lose, this is Mintpal and the hackers fault. Mintpal needs to reimburse.
Mintpal could die.



Sorry, but I believe this option 2 doesn't exist at all.

How can you possibly admit that certain coins are invalid because they were stolen and not return them to their owners? It makes no sense whatsoever. You either ignore the crime or give them back to their owners.
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FUD

you are spreading FUD. i'm gonna call you FUDams from now on

take that!

Your group is strong tonight, you have a lot of anger against our community, I bet. Never has one stuck up to the criminals such as this.

It sets a precedent for the future of crypto, we can better use the technology to make it safer, and gain faster crypto adoption.


Really sorry for you guys that stole tonight thinking u get rich and kill your competition, but I hope you know, this is most likely the fuel vericoin needs to become a real competitor to bitcoin. If any coin can, its VeriCoin now, So for that I say thank you. Its just seperated itself from the crypto sea with this outcome. I hope you fudders know, you are witnessing greatness, and you don't even know it!


What that mintpal hack will accomplish, may have taken years to do in terms of media for a crypto this size.

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July 14, 2014, 04:18:53 AM
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This has the potential to ruin the coin or result in it coming back stronger than ever. We still hold the remaining 70% so as long as vericoin holders continue to be so active, we're just fine here. Also keep in mind that exchanges will definitely update to the new wallet, and quite a bit was being held in exchanges, so it's not quite as difficult as it appears to reach 51%.

Of course the exchanges are going to update it is their ass on the line and the devs are literally giving them a hand out by supporting the hard fork idea.

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July 14, 2014, 04:20:04 AM
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I am a senior member in this bitcointalk forum, but I want to remain anonymous.
I noticed Vericoin discussion when go to Altcoin ANN, and here is some of my insight:

First, a few questions:

1. Did mintpal really lost Vericoin, because of being hacked?
After reading their official announcement, the information is rather vague. Is there a possibility that coins are withdrawn by some big bagholders? Is there possibility that coins are sold by Mintpal (or its personnel) to other people and then they want to reverse the transaction while not paying the money back?

2. Vericoin was hacked, while other coins, including Bitcoin, was intact. Is it because the problem of Vericoin blockchain, or because of the safety hazard in Mintpal?

3. Vericoin group decided to roll-back the blockchain, is this a result after a deliberate consideration, or not?

4. If a small Altcoin-Bitcoin exchange site get compromised, will the Vericoin team do the same thing to roll back?

Then a few insights:

Cryptocurrency is created to be de-centralized. By reversing some transactions through the intervention of development team, it goes against its initial objective.

Cryptocurrency is created to be not regulated by authorities, such as countries. What happened to Vericoin today goes against this objective, because it is controlled by an exchange site. Suppose someday a country authority send request to the Vericoin development team about some Vericoin is held by some bad guys and the authority request a hard fork to remove those Vericoins, or send those coins to the country authority, based on what happened, I doubt the team will say no.

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As stated before, there are 3 choices here.

1. Do nothing and let it play out as it plays out.
Vericoin could die. Price could crash if hacker sells and then rebound. Hacker could keep the coin and stake or attempt a majority attack.
Mintpal could die. Customers will expect to be reimbursed.
If either survives it will be because they deserve to.

2. Fork the blockchain to block the stolen coins and effectively destroy them.
Vericoin will survive. Hacker has no coins. No threat to system. Coin amount reduced, value goes up.
Mintpal customers lose, this is Mintpal and the hackers fault. Mintpal needs to reimburse.
Mintpal could die.

3. Roll back the blockchain to before the theft.
This seems to be the plan at the moment.
Mintpal bailed out. Customers happy in the short term.
Long term consequences? This is effectively a charge back and a bailout of a central authority that messed up.
It is not their fault they got hacked but just like it is never your fault if you get robbed. It is the criminals fault.
But if you are an exchange that advertises security and deals with other peoples money then you are accountable.



nvminer: I don't think there is much rational discussion going on in this thread at the moment.
There are a few who are posting their concern for what this means in the light of what cryptos mean to them.
There are a few who are concerned about their private investments and trying to keep the hype and spin up by silencing what they think is FUD.
The problem is they don't see that it could also be investors who see this from a different angle in longer term game and are actually trying to protect the infrastructure.

We have not had a discussion from the dev team, just and update on their plans.
I have a lot of sympathy for them and I'm glad I'm not in their shoes.
If you were dev, how do you think you would handle this?
Personally I think I would probably capitulate and make a blockchain change but go with option 2 as mentioned above.
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This has the potential to ruin the coin or result in it coming back stronger than ever. We still hold the remaining 70% so as long as vericoin holders continue to be so active, we're just fine here. Also keep in mind that exchanges will definitely update to the new wallet, and quite a bit was being held in exchanges, so it's not quite as difficult as it appears to reach 51%.

Of course the exchanges are going to update it is their ass on the line and the devs are literally giving them a hand out by supporting the hard fork idea.


Lol dude you still here?

You are here for an hour already...

You won't get cheap coins man... community is in favour of dev action

Just fuck off
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Your group is strong tonight, you have a lot of anger against our community, I bet. Never has one stuck up to the criminals such as this.

It sets a precedent for the future of crypto, we can better use the technology to make it safer, and gain faster crypto adoption.


Really sorry for you guys that stole tonight thinking u get rich and kill your competition, but I hope you know, this is most likely the fuel vericoin needs to become a real competitor to bitcoin. If any coin can, its VeriCoin now, So for that I say thank you. Its just seperated itself from the crypto sea with this outcome. I hope you fudders know, you are witnessing greatness, and you don't even know it!


What that mintpal hack accomplished, may have taken years to do in terms of media for a crypto this size.

aahaha and now i'm part of the heist  Grin Grin this is getting really entertaining.

"it sets a precedent"

yes this is correct. it shows that chargebacks are absolutely possible in cryptos. thanks

whoever sells below 29k now must be a complete retard....
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As I understand VRC developers are now acting like a central bank to save big investors money. Veri Centralized.

lol Veri Centralized ....Very Bail Outs ....Much Veri wow.  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

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so crypto noob here. I had just put a few bucks in to VRC when this all went down. Still deciding whether to ride this out. I don't know enough about the history or the community to have an opinion on this stuff. From what I've read I can see that both sides have a point.

I know everybody's worked up, but a quick noob question.

I'm assuming to even dump what I have, I'd have to update my wallet as I got my coin of mintpal a while before all this went down.

Is updating the wallet as simply downloading the new version from the website? Anything else I need to do? Haven't had to deal with this yet.
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This has the potential to ruin the coin or result in it coming back stronger than ever. We still hold the remaining 70% so as long as vericoin holders continue to be so active, we're just fine here. Also keep in mind that exchanges will definitely update to the new wallet, and quite a bit was being held in exchanges, so it's not quite as difficult as it appears to reach 51%.

Of course the exchanges are going to update it is their ass on the line and the devs are literally giving them a hand out by supporting the hard fork idea.

whats your problem ?? you are here saying bullshit for more than 3 hours..
do you want to open ppl eye? hmm no.. you just want ppl to dump so you can buy it cheap

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July 14, 2014, 04:22:31 AM
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This has the potential to ruin the coin or result in it coming back stronger than ever. We still hold the remaining 70% so as long as vericoin holders continue to be so active, we're just fine here. Also keep in mind that exchanges will definitely update to the new wallet, and quite a bit was being held in exchanges, so it's not quite as difficult as it appears to reach 51%.


sorry but no one will buy a coin that a person owns 1/3 of their supply

Neither will they buy one where you can just roll back the fuck up by one business.

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July 14, 2014, 04:23:14 AM
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This has the potential to ruin the coin or result in it coming back stronger than ever. We still hold the remaining 70% so as long as vericoin holders continue to be so active, we're just fine here. Also keep in mind that exchanges will definitely update to the new wallet, and quite a bit was being held in exchanges, so it's not quite as difficult as it appears to reach 51%.

Of course the exchanges are going to update it is their ass on the line and the devs are literally giving them a hand out by supporting the hard fork idea.

whats your problem ?? you are here saying bullshit for more than 3 hours..
do you want to open ppl eye? hmm no.. you just want ppl to dump so you can buy it cheap


My problem: Vericoin is now bail out approved.  Cheesy

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July 14, 2014, 04:23:39 AM
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I am a senior member in this bitcointalk forum, but I want to remain anonymous.
I noticed Vericoin discussion when go to Altcoin ANN, and here is some of my insight:

First, a few questions:

1. Did mintpal really lost Vericoin, because of being hacked?
After reading their official announcement, the information is rather vague. Is there a possibility that coins are withdrawn by some big bagholders? Is there possibility that coins are sold by Mintpal (or its personnel) to other people and then they want to reverse the transaction while not paying the money back?

2. Vericoin was hacked, while other coins, including Bitcoin, was intact. Is it because the problem of Vericoin blockchain, or because of the safety hazard in Mintpal?

3. Vericoin group decided to roll-back the blockchain, is this a result after a deliberate consideration, or not?

4. If a small Altcoin-Bitcoin exchange site get compromised, will the Vericoin team do the same thing to roll back?

Then a few insights:

Cryptocurrency is created to be de-centralized. By reversing some transactions through the intervention of development team, it goes against its initial objective.

Cryptocurrency is created to be not regulated by authorities, such as countries. What happened to Vericoin today goes against this objective, because it is controlled by an exchange site. Suppose someday a country authority send request to the Vericoin development team about some Vericoin is held by some bad guys and the authority request a hard fork to remove those Vericoins, or send those coins to the country authority, based on what happened, I doubt the team will say no.

my two satoshi


Nobody care to answer, I will leave, but the credit of Vericoin is compromised.

all of these are very valid concerns and the reason integrity in this coin has been lost.
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July 14, 2014, 04:24:22 AM
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Some people rather enjoy the suffering of others (eg mintpal Jay, Jason and vrc investors) it makes me sick.

The choice is an obvious one to minimize damage.

What goes around comes around.
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July 14, 2014, 04:24:31 AM
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Was hard to catch up in this thread since I went out to the soccer game. I can understand that having 30% of the coins under the control of a single person is dangerous in a coin-age principle PoS system - especially when this person got them for free. Still I can not support this roll back.

First, as mentioned in a post before, what if someone bought goods for VRC a couple of hours ago? From what I see you can currently take advantage of the fact that the upcoming rollback is not known to everyone and purchase things on the current blockchain which soon will be obsolete. Who is responsible for these losses?

Secondly, I don't see why a full rollback is necessary. You could also just remove these coin outputs through a mandatory client update, effectively reducing the supply of VRC but keeping all transactions that use other coin outputs valid. This way the integrity of the blockchain would remain to some extend, but the coins stolen would be worthless.

Of course, Mintpal would not like this solution, but the community should prefer it and the 51% attack would be avoided.  
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July 14, 2014, 04:24:46 AM
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This has the potential to ruin the coin or result in it coming back stronger than ever. We still hold the remaining 70% so as long as vericoin holders continue to be so active, we're just fine here. Also keep in mind that exchanges will definitely update to the new wallet, and quite a bit was being held in exchanges, so it's not quite as difficult as it appears to reach 51%.

Of course the exchanges are going to update it is their ass on the line and the devs are literally giving them a hand out by supporting the hard fork idea.

whats your problem ?? you are here saying bullshit for more than 3 hours..
do you want to open ppl eye? hmm no.. you just want ppl to dump so you can buy it cheap


trust me... lol.. no one wants to buy.
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July 14, 2014, 04:25:19 AM
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For the cheap seats and peanut gallery.
VRC POW(mining) is over. POS is whats left Wink

The FUD spreaders can stop concerning themselves about the poor Miners.  Whew, I was worried for a moment!
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