[ANN][CLAM] CLAMs, Proof-Of-Chain, Proof-Of-Working-Stake, a.k.a. "Clamcoin"

[JWU42]

Added a new bootstrap through 410,000 blocks.

http://www.jdubya.info/clam/bootstrap.dat.lrz

Here are the sha256sum of both files...

Code:

38f620df6c5612a936aaf1431c4fdf6c301c086b1de2efc075ec00aa7d92361a  bootstrap.dat.lrz
cbfa1a540974a33e4e116bf37864696de2f2de88a0d52b16bb55a90930fd5f24  bootstrap.dat

LRzip (http://ck.kolivas.org/apps/lrzip/) is used to cut down the filesize from 388MB to 226MB.

Be sure to place the bootstrap.dat file in your clam data directory and enjoy a much faster sync.

[BayAreaCoins]

In celebration of MyDice.co accepting CLAM and Seedtrue being a real tits person.

www.FreeCLAM.com now gives coins ever 5 minutes, hourly and daily!

Just use your deposit address from any CLAM site (or exchange... fuckers) in order to try it risk free!

HAPPY EASTER!

[omahapoker]

you can now play http://clamcoin.mydice.co/


my 3rd gambling site i got and or helped in getting them to take CLAM



Im here to my CLAM worth more. plain and simple.


stay gold dooglus.....stay gold

[omahapoker]

will post daily clam report again now

[SuperClam]

you can now play http://clamcoin.mydice.co/
my 3rd gambling site i got and or helped in getting them to take CLAM
Im here to my CLAM worth more. plain and simple.
stay gold dooglus.....stay gold

Awesome omahapoker

CLAMvangelism can really make a major difference.

If we can get some user reports of successful deposit/withdrawal and a review of the provable fairness - I will get it added to OP post!

[yampi]

How can I convert Clam private keys to bitcoin private keys?

[dooglus]

How can I convert Clam private keys to bitcoin private keys?

I do it like this:

Code:

#!/usr/bin/env python

import sys
sys.path.append("/home/chris/Programs/python-bitcoinlib/") # from https://github.com/jgarzik/python-bitcoinlib.git
import bitcoin.base58

def other_priv(addr):
    decode = bitcoin.base58.decode(addr)[:-4]
    if len(decode) == 33:
        decode += '\x01'
    else:
        decode = decode[:-1]
    return bitcoin.base58.CBase58Data(decode[1:], ord(decode[0])).__str__()

def to_addr(addr, magic): return bitcoin.base58.CBase58Data(bitcoin.base58.decode(addr)[1:-4], magic).__str__()
def to_btc(addr): return to_addr(addr, 0x80)
def to_doge(addr): return to_addr(addr, 0x1e+0x80)
def to_ltc(addr): return to_addr(addr, 0x30+0x80)
def to_clam(addr): return to_addr(addr, 0x85)
def addresses(addr):
    return '\n%s\n\n%s\n%s\n%s\n%s\n' % (
        '%6s: %s' % ('other', other_priv(addr)),
        '%6s: %s' % ('BTC',       to_btc(addr)),
        '%6s: %s' % ('DOGE',     to_doge(addr)),
        '%6s: %s' % ('LTC',       to_ltc(addr)),
        '%6s: %s' % ('CLAM',     to_clam(addr)))

for i in sys.argv[1:]:
    print addresses(i)

[tspacepilot]

Price is pretty high on this one.  I'm suspecting it has something to do with just-dice.  I've sold most of mine and I'm telling my friends.  I suspect there's no reason to hold these things and cashing in now is not too bad.

[BayAreaCoins]

Price is pretty high on this one.  I'm suspecting it has something to do with just-dice.  I've sold most of mine and I'm telling my friends.  I suspect there's no reason to hold these things and cashing in now is not too bad.

Sell sell sell that $1 million dollar market cap!

Happy to see sellers on the market.

[YoBit]

Dear Forum Members!

ClamCoin [CLAM] is listed on YoBit.net Exchange! ( Twitter: https://twitter.com/YobitExchange/status/585430126474723328 )

English: https://yobit.net/en/trade/CLAM/BTC
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Our topic on BitcoinTalk: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=914975.0



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[tspacepilot]

Price is pretty high on this one.  I'm suspecting it has something to do with just-dice.  I've sold most of mine and I'm telling my friends.  I suspect there's no reason to hold these things and cashing in now is not too bad.

Sell sell sell that $1 million dollar market cap!

Happy to see sellers on the market.

Yah, I was quite happy to be one of them when I saw what these clamcoins are fetching!

[dooglus]

Price is pretty high on this one.  I'm suspecting it has something to do with just-dice.  I've sold most of mine and I'm telling my friends.  I suspect there's no reason to hold these things and cashing in now is not too bad.

Sell sell sell that $1 million dollar market cap!

Happy to see sellers on the market.

Yah, I was quite happy to be one of them when I saw what these clamcoins are fetching!

Have you seen what bitcoins are fetching? It's even higher. Maybe you should sell those too. But individual satoshis are cheap, so don't sell any satoshis.

See how the logic doesn't work? Price per unit doesn't matter; all that matters is whether the value is likely to increase or decrease in the future relative to whatever you are trading for, which you don't seem to have considered.

[tspacepilot]

Price is pretty high on this one.  I'm suspecting it has something to do with just-dice.  I've sold most of mine and I'm telling my friends.  I suspect there's no reason to hold these things and cashing in now is not too bad.

Sell sell sell that $1 million dollar market cap!

Happy to see sellers on the market.

Yah, I was quite happy to be one of them when I saw what these clamcoins are fetching!

Have you seen what bitcoins are fetching? It's even higher. Maybe you should sell those too. But individual satoshis are cheap, so don't sell any satoshis.

See how the logic doesn't work? Price per unit doesn't matter; all that matters is whether the value is likely to increase or decrease in the future relative to whatever you are trading for, which you don't seem to have considered.

You're fun doog.  In fact I have considered it and my intended implication is that CLAMCOINS are surprisingly high and the price wil be going towards 0 over the next year (have any altcoins lasted more than 2 years?  besides, say, LTC or something?).  On the other hand, I suspect that bitcoins will be valuable for quite a long time.

I feel bad like I came into the CLAMCOIN thread and trolled it.  I apologize you guys.  Please consider me reprimanded

[SuperClam]

Price is pretty high on this one.  I'm suspecting it has something to do with just-dice.  I've sold most of mine and I'm telling my friends.  I suspect there's no reason to hold these things and cashing in now is not too bad.

Sell sell sell that $1 million dollar market cap!
Happy to see sellers on the market.

Yah, I was quite happy to be one of them when I saw what these clamcoins are fetching!

Have you seen what bitcoins are fetching? It's even higher. Maybe you should sell those too. But individual satoshis are cheap, so don't sell any satoshis.
See how the logic doesn't work? Price per unit doesn't matter; all that matters is whether the value is likely to increase or decrease in the future relative to whatever you are trading for, which you don't seem to have considered.

You're fun doog.  In fact I have considered it and my intended implication is that CLAMCOINS are surprisingly high and the price wil be going towards 0 over the next year (have any altcoins lasted more than 2 years?  besides, say, LTC or something?).  On the other hand, I suspect that bitcoins will be valuable for quite a long time.

I feel bad like I came into the CLAMCOIN thread and trolled it.  I apologize you guys.  Please consider me reprimanded

No need to feel reprimanded -> "CLAM" stands for Caritas, Libertas, Aequitas, Monetas.
Liberty and equality necessitate your ability to express your opinion; here and elsewhere.

Disclaimer:
Despite the urge to do so, we do our best to not make market predictions.
We aren't experts and certainly have no place in giving investment advice.

That said, we personally feel that there are strong fundamentals behind CLAM.

There are only currently approximately 620k CLAM in circulation.  This value is based on those distribution outputs/coins which have moved since distribution in addition to block rewards.  You can review the number yourself directly in the client via the console.  Supply is by no means the only relevant metric, but any attempt at calculating potential risk/reward should consider the relatively conservative distribution.

There are two ways in which the circulating supply can increase: additional distribution outputs/coins are claimed, additional blocks are staked for reward.

The CLAM network uniquely enjoys a positive externality when users choose to expand the supply via claiming. Unlike most networks, this claim distribution is directly offset by the demand, awareness, and participation the claiming user brings to the table. I would argue that there is no greater asset for a network than user awareness. More importantly, this feature blunts the deadly blade of initial distribution inflation that lays asunder so many networks, especially those implementing proof-of-stake.

The CLAM proof-of-stake system operates with an incentive system that differs from conventional proof-of-stake.  Block staking provides a static 1 CLAM reward. The reward/incentive structure of this system has little in common with the percentage based proof-of-stake networks in existence. The return of staking blocks on the network has historically resulted in a net increase of value for staking users.  There is no guarantee that this trend will continue, given difficulty and other factors. However, difficulty seems to suggest that the desire to stake and enjoy the fruits of block creation continues and remains strong.

So, we have a conservatively and reasonably equally distributed token, which enjoys the inherent benefit of increased awareness and demand during the process of inflation. We have a staking system which incentivizes persistent, consistent staking and does not suffer from the compound inflation problems of other proof-of-stake systems.


CLAM is an open source project, administered by volunteers.
You are invited to contribute yourself (there is no greater security than that which comes from distilling the value of your own labor and contribution).

[thefix]

Price is pretty high on this one.  I'm suspecting it has something to do with just-dice.  I've sold most of mine and I'm telling my friends.  I suspect there's no reason to hold these things and cashing in now is not too bad.

Sell sell sell that $1 million dollar market cap!

Happy to see sellers on the market.

Yah, I was quite happy to be one of them when I saw what these clamcoins are fetching!

I can understand your point, but one thing that is very unique about this project is the community behind it. Its been through hacks and attacks and it keeps getting stronger.

Its good to have different points of view and even though you are out for the most part, I hope you keep a few just so you can be a small part of the community.

If things go south you can come back and tell us what fools we are and dance on our graves!

[shorena]

Price is pretty high on this one.  I'm suspecting it has something to do with just-dice.  I've sold most of mine and I'm telling my friends.  I suspect there's no reason to hold these things and cashing in now is not too bad.

Sell sell sell that $1 million dollar market cap!

Happy to see sellers on the market.

Yah, I was quite happy to be one of them when I saw what these clamcoins are fetching!

Have you seen what bitcoins are fetching? It's even higher. Maybe you should sell those too. But individual satoshis are cheap, so don't sell any satoshis.

See how the logic doesn't work? Price per unit doesn't matter; all that matters is whether the value is likely to increase or decrease in the future relative to whatever you are trading for, which you don't seem to have considered.

You're fun doog.  In fact I have considered it and my intended implication is that CLAMCOINS are surprisingly high and the price wil be going towards 0 over the next year (have any altcoins lasted more than 2 years?  besides, say, LTC or something?).  On the other hand, I suspect that bitcoins will be valuable for quite a long time.

I feel bad like I came into the CLAMCOIN thread and trolled it.  I apologize you guys.  Please consider me reprimanded

Dadice recently adopted CLAM deposits, but Im afraid they sell the CLAMs right away and buy BTC for them. Not entirely sure, I still didnt ask. Its certainly not possible to play with CLAM directly. Might be an indicator for more casinos adopting CLAM though, which would in turn increase its usefulness and thus possibly the price.

[SuperClam]

Dadice recently adopted CLAM deposits, but Im afraid they sell the CLAMs right away and buy BTC for them. Not entirely sure, I still didnt ask. Its certainly not possible to play with CLAM directly. Might be an indicator for more casinos adopting CLAM though, which would in turn increase its usefulness and thus possibly the price.

Thank you for the heads up!

Would rather they allow betting and withdrawal in CLAM; but utility is utility.
As usual, if we see some reports of positive experience concerning deposit/withdrawal, we are are happy to add them to the website and OP post!

[dooglus]

Dadice recently adopted CLAM deposits, but Im afraid they sell the CLAMs right away and buy BTC for them. Not entirely sure, I still didnt ask. Its certainly not possible to play with CLAM directly. Might be an indicator for more casinos adopting CLAM though, which would in turn increase its usefulness and thus possibly the price.

I'm not sure whether that's a good thing for CLAM or not if they "accept" CLAM but immediately sell them.

Kind of like people getting excited about merchant adoption of BTC when it reality the merchant uses BitPay or similar to instantly convert the "accepted" BTC into USD.

I guess overall it just gets the brand out there to more people, so I guess it's a net positive for CLAM.

[organofcorti]

Dadice recently adopted CLAM deposits, but Im afraid they sell the CLAMs right away and buy BTC for them. Not entirely sure, I still didnt ask. Its certainly not possible to play with CLAM directly. Might be an indicator for more casinos adopting CLAM though, which would in turn increase its usefulness and thus possibly the price.

I'm not sure whether that's a good thing for CLAM or not if they "accept" CLAM but immediately sell them.

Kind of like people getting excited about merchant adoption of BTC when it reality the merchant uses BitPay or similar to instantly convert the "accepted" BTC into USD.

I guess overall it just gets the brand out there to more people, so I guess it's a net positive for CLAM.

There's always a time lag between 'accepting' and 'converting', so even if Bitpay converts after a few minutes, that's at least a few minutes that coins are unavailable and decreasing supply - any use is better than none.

[shorena]

I asked in their thread[1] about it and got the following answers:

I have a few questions about the altcoin deposits. I recently played with the idea of depositing some CLAM and saw that you would convert them to BTC. I would not want that, but I guess thats the only option currently, correct? Does this also mean I would not be able to withdraw CLAM, but just the BTC I got for them? If you convert them, how do you do this? Do you use an exchange API or do you keep the alt coins and just credit the account with bitcoin from your own funds?

Correct, dadice are now using ShapeShift to convert players' altcoin deposits to bitcoin right away, so they don't hold any altcoin and don't do cashout in altcoin.
https://shapeshift.io/for-business.html

I have a few questions about the altcoin deposits. I recently played with the idea of depositing some CLAM and saw that you would convert them to BTC. I would not want that, but I guess thats the only option currently, correct? Does this also mean I would not be able to withdraw CLAM, but just the BTC I got for them? If you convert them, how do you do this? Do you use an exchange API or do you keep the alt coins and just credit the account with bitcoin from your own funds?

As kindly explained by Minnlo we use ShapeShift to accept altcoin deposits. If you deposit with CLAM for example, they are immediately converted to btc and credited to your account balance with us. You may also withdraw CLAM, this way the btc in your account balance are converted to CLAM at the then valid exchange rate.

Interesting concept, thanks for the fast answers.

Dadice recently adopted CLAM deposits, but Im afraid they sell the CLAMs right away and buy BTC for them. Not entirely sure, I still didnt ask. Its certainly not possible to play with CLAM directly. Might be an indicator for more casinos adopting CLAM though, which would in turn increase its usefulness and thus possibly the price.

I'm not sure whether that's a good thing for CLAM or not if they "accept" CLAM but immediately sell them.

Kind of like people getting excited about merchant adoption of BTC when it reality the merchant uses BitPay or similar to instantly convert the "accepted" BTC into USD.

I guess overall it just gets the brand out there to more people, so I guess it's a net positive for CLAM.

My main problem is the conversaion rate. I would pay 0.03 to get 84 CLAM converted to BTC in comparison to the rate JD displays. I would probably pay a similarly high rate (or fee) in order to withdraw CLAM.


[1] https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=973765.0