Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP.

[brg444]

Everyone rushing to be the first XTcoin recipients are economically advantaging MP & Co by writing them free options:

the fork proposed is not simply nondeterministic behaviour, and so the holdings on the two chains aren't notionally equivalent. Instead, all the holdings on the Bitcoin chain are accepted as valid on both Bitcoin and Gavincoin, but holdings on Gavincoin are rejected by Bitcoin. Consequently, everyone involved with the fork is writing options to everyone in Bitcoin, free of charge.

This is a fight which, BY DESIGN, you Gavinistas cannot win.  Poor thing, no wonder it's "doing your head in."

because of the way Bitcoin is constructed, only the forker chain can take any casualties.

If Gavincoin wins, Bitcoin holdhouts lose nothing and Gavin supporters gain nothing. If Gavincoin flounders, Gavin supporters lose everything [they invested in it], but Bitcoin holdouts still have all their Bitcoins (some of them also perhaps have some war booty, but that's not guaranteed).

It's really very unilateral (as it should be, incidentally – if this weren't the case every John, Dick and Jane would fork Bitcoin every time they got bored).

Just incredible how much crap an early adopter can write. He just writes like an angry internet troll. His posts contain mostly personal attacks.

His posts contain a lot of personal attacks. Yet only the simpletons clinging to these "because offended" are unable to recognize the insights. Truth hurts indeed

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[iCEBREAKER]

When cypherdocs capitulate, there will be future again for Bitcoin.

Sorry pal, you have to get rekt.

Doctor Frappe already got rekt.  He just has too much pride to admit losing so much face.

The last nails for the coffin lid are being pounded in, and he'll be buried soon:

https://twitter.com/NickSzabo4/status/633012686230437889

https://twitter.com/NickSzabo4/status/633023200922746880

https://twitter.com/NickSzabo4/status/633011973634961408

And now here's Szaboshi, throwing the first handful of dirt on the Gavinista's mass grave:



LOOOL, so fukkin' rekt...  I...can't...even...  

[iCEBREAKER]

I combined the Sickpig's idea that the block size limit is a transport limitation that crept into the consensus layer, with Smooth's observation that the Bitcoin white paper never mentions a block size limit, and rolled it into a toned-down version of the "moderators-throwing-their-swords" story:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3h73ws/the_morning_after_the_moderation_mistake_thoughts/

It looks like my post has been removed from r/bitcoin (it had 172 up-votes in 8 hours).  It was near the top of the first page, and then 5 minutes later it was nowhere to be found.  

Both cartoons by /u/raisethelimit were removed too (and one was the second highest post).

..and all pro XT and angry censorship postings are removed from the front of /r/bitcoin. Disgraceful.

There's plenty of room for all of your Gavinista butt-ragings at https://voat.co/v/bitcoinxt .

Just saying...

[Erdogan]

iCEBRAKER, brg444 you are losing hard, and throwing your swords. I don't see the point.

[Peter R]

Everyone rushing to be the first XTcoin recipients are economically advantaging MP & Co by writing them free options:

the fork proposed is not simply nondeterministic behaviour, and so the holdings on the two chains aren't notionally equivalent. Instead, all the holdings on the Bitcoin chain are accepted as valid on both Bitcoin and Gavincoin, but holdings on Gavincoin are rejected by Bitcoin. Consequently, everyone involved with the fork is writing options to everyone in Bitcoin, free of charge.

This is a fight which, BY DESIGN, you Gavinistas cannot win.  Poor thing, no wonder it's "doing your head in."

because of the way Bitcoin is constructed, only the forker chain can take any casualties.

If Gavincoin wins, Bitcoin holdhouts lose nothing and Gavin supporters gain nothing. If Gavincoin flounders, Gavin supporters lose everything [they invested in it], but Bitcoin holdouts still have all their Bitcoins (some of them also perhaps have some war booty, but that's not guaranteed).

It's really very unilateral (as it should be, incidentally – if this weren't the case every John, Dick and Jane would fork Bitcoin every time they got bored).

Just incredible how much crap an early adopter can write. He just writes like an angry internet troll. His posts contain mostly personal attacks.

His posts contain a lot of personal attacks. Yet only the simpletons clinging to these "because offended" are unable to recognize the insights. Truth hurts indeed

Can you explain which insights you're referring to?  It looks to me like mostly technical misunderstandings about how a fork would play out combined with a lack of knowledge about Bitcoin.  For example, explain how this is true:

"If Gavincoin wins, Bitcoin holdhouts lose nothing and Gavin supporters gain nothing. If Gavincoin flounders, Gavin supporters lose everything"

[cypherdoc]

oh my:

[iCEBREAKER]

..and all pro XT and angry censorship postings are removed from the front of /r/bitcoin. Disgraceful.

Indeed. They will be making "A List' next....

I was told that "book burnings" would be next.  

Can you please get your Theymos Is Literally Hitler narrative sorted out?  It's getting confusing.

And why are you still here in the land of oppression, instead of running free and wild at https://voat.co/v/bitcoinxt ?

Did Hearn set up a checkpoint, or what?

[cypherdoc]

August 15, 2015:  The Day that iCE went crazy.

[cypherdoc]

iCEBRAKER, brg444 you are losing hard, and throwing your swords. I don't see the point.

i prefer, "losing your cookies".

or, "projectile vomiting" will suffice.

[brg444]

I combined the Sickpig's idea that the block size limit is a transport limitation that crept into the consensus layer, with Smooth's observation that the Bitcoin white paper never mentions a block size limit, and rolled it into a toned-down version of the "moderators-throwing-their-swords" story:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3h73ws/the_morning_after_the_moderation_mistake_thoughts/

It looks like my post has been removed from r/bitcoin (it had 172 up-votes in 8 hours).  It was near the top of the first page, and then 5 minutes later it was nowhere to be found.  

Both cartoons by /u/raisethelimit were removed too (and one was the second highest post).

..and all pro XT and angry censorship postings are removed from the front of /r/bitcoin. Disgraceful.

There's plenty of room for all of your Gavinista butt-ragings at https://voat.co/v/bitcoinxt .

Just saying...

  

The cognitive dissonance is amazing.

"Screw you guys we're forking and there's nothing you can do about it! We're gonna need our subreddit though..."

[Erdogan]

I combined the Sickpig's idea that the block size limit is a transport limitation that crept into the consensus layer, with Smooth's observation that the Bitcoin white paper never mentions a block size limit, and rolled it into a toned-down version of the "moderators-throwing-their-swords" story:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3h73ws/the_morning_after_the_moderation_mistake_thoughts/

It looks like my post has been removed from r/bitcoin (it had 172 up-votes in 8 hours).  It was near the top of the first page, and then 5 minutes later it was nowhere to be found.  

Both cartoons by /u/raisethelimit were removed too (and one was the second highest post).

..and all pro XT and angry censorship postings are removed from the front of /r/bitcoin. Disgraceful.

There's plenty of room for all of your Gavinista butt-ragings at https://voat.co/v/bitcoinxt .

Just saying...

  

The cognitive dissonance is amazing.

"Screw you guys we're forking and there's nothing you can do about it! We're gonna need our subreddit though..."

Yes, and we don't want to move to a free country, we want the government to leave, they are the criminals after all ...

[smooth]

With respect to Nick Most-Likely-To-Be-Satoshi-And-That-Is-Worth-A-Lot-Even-If -He-Isn't Szabo, I despise the "$4 billion system" argument. Every one of those investors knows it is a high risk asset with the potential for a 1000x return (and therefore, by any reasonable economics or logic, enormous risks). These are not widows and orphans.

Maybe the block size increase is a bad idea and maybe XT is a bad way to do it, but that argument is absurd sensationalism at its worst.

[brg444]

I combined the Sickpig's idea that the block size limit is a transport limitation that crept into the consensus layer, with Smooth's observation that the Bitcoin white paper never mentions a block size limit, and rolled it into a toned-down version of the "moderators-throwing-their-swords" story:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3h73ws/the_morning_after_the_moderation_mistake_thoughts/

It looks like my post has been removed from r/bitcoin (it had 172 up-votes in 8 hours).  It was near the top of the first page, and then 5 minutes later it was nowhere to be found.  

Both cartoons by /u/raisethelimit were removed too (and one was the second highest post).

..and all pro XT and angry censorship postings are removed from the front of /r/bitcoin. Disgraceful.

There's plenty of room for all of your Gavinista butt-ragings at https://voat.co/v/bitcoinxt .

Just saying...

  

The cognitive dissonance is amazing.

"Screw you guys we're forking and there's nothing you can do about it! We're gonna need our subreddit though..."

Yes, and we don't want to move to a free country, we want the government to leave, they are the criminals after all ...

 

You know that's what millions of people throughout history actually did right?

That's called an "exit". Seeing as an exit on the internet is not limited by costly physical constraints I really fail to see the point you're trying to make.

[Erdogan]

With respect to Nick Most-Likely-To-Be-Satoshi-And-That-Is-Worth-A-Lot-Even-If -He-Isn't Szabo, I despise the "$4 billion system" argument. Every one of those investors knows it is a high risk asset with the potential for a 1000x return (and therefore, by any reasonable economics or logic, enormous risks). These are not widows and orphans.

Maybe the block size increase is a bad idea and maybe XT is a bad way to do it, but that argument is absurd sensationalism at its worst.

Now, not yesterday, but today every bitcoin guru wannabe comes creeping out of the woodwork saying of course we need bigblocks but just something a tad different. I say hurry and sweep something together, build, test and distribute, or forever keep your peace.

[iCEBREAKER]

Sidechains are not altcoins, nor are they "watered down," nor are their block chain's "seperate."

Do you guys know what the phrase "TWO WAY PEG" means?   

Yes, something that is impossible. Ask the SNB (down) or PBOC (up).

Fiat, LOL.

Do you know what the phrase "ATOMIC TRANSACTION" means?   

(Keep acting stupid, I can do this all day.)

Keep acting smart.

NMF you started blathering about fiat nonsense in a discussion about crypto and e-cash.  

Don't worry, TWP and AT are our friends!

https://people.xiph.org/~greg/blockstream.gmaxwell.elements.talk.060815.pdf

[Erdogan]

Sidechains are not altcoins, nor are they "watered down," nor are their block chain's "seperate."

Do you guys know what the phrase "TWO WAY PEG" means?   

Yes, something that is impossible. Ask the SNB (down) or PBOC (up).

Fiat, LOL.

Do you know what the phrase "ATOMIC TRANSACTION" means?   

(Keep acting stupid, I can do this all day.)

Keep acting smart.

NMF you started blathering about fiat nonsense in a discussion about crypto and e-cash.  

Don't worry, TWP and AT are our friends!

https://people.xiph.org/~greg/blockstream.gmaxwell.elements.talk.060815.pdf

I couldn't be bothered to read that.

[cypherdoc]

"iCE, look.  i told you, you need to take your medications every day.  otherwise, the convulsions become uncontrollable. 

please, for your own good". 

[iCEBREAKER]

Go on smoothie.  Go on evoorhees.  Fuck off to greener, censorship-free pastures where may you attempt to attack Bitcoin all you want.

Don't let me stop you.  You're free now...move into the light...  

iCEBLOW throwing his weapons.  or, blowing his weapons.

or, in medical terms, engaging in "projectile vomiting".

You are also welcome to fuck to https://voat.co/v/bitcoinxt, where your XT junta will not be "suppressed" by moderators enforcing rules.

Why are you supporting theymos' "epitome of authoritarianism" and "censorship" by gracing his forum with your presence?

What are you so afraid of, that you agree with all this censorship ?

There is no censorship here or on the subreddit.

If you disagree, prove it by defecting from Core's flagship forums to https://voat.co/v/bitcoinxt.

Vote with your feet.  Knock us out with the alleged Gavincoin consensus of your supposed XT socioeconomic majority.

[majamalu]

Everyone rushing to be the first XTcoin recipients are economically advantaging MP & Co by writing them free options:

the fork proposed is not simply nondeterministic behaviour, and so the holdings on the two chains aren't notionally equivalent. Instead, all the holdings on the Bitcoin chain are accepted as valid on both Bitcoin and Gavincoin, but holdings on Gavincoin are rejected by Bitcoin. Consequently, everyone involved with the fork is writing options to everyone in Bitcoin, free of charge.

This is a fight which, BY DESIGN, you Gavinistas cannot win.  Poor thing, no wonder it's "doing your head in."

because of the way Bitcoin is constructed, only the forker chain can take any casualties.

If Gavincoin wins, Bitcoin holdhouts lose nothing and Gavin supporters gain nothing. If Gavincoin flounders, Gavin supporters lose everything [they invested in it], but Bitcoin holdouts still have all their Bitcoins (some of them also perhaps have some war booty, but that's not guaranteed).

It's really very unilateral (as it should be, incidentally – if this weren't the case every John, Dick and Jane would fork Bitcoin every time they got bored).

Just incredible how much crap an early adopter can write. He just writes like an angry internet troll. His posts contain mostly personal attacks.

His posts contain a lot of personal attacks. Yet only the simpletons clinging to these "because offended" are unable to recognize the insights. Truth hurts indeed

Can you explain which insights you're referring to?  It looks to me like mostly technical misunderstandings about how a fork would play out combined with a lack of knowledge about Bitcoin.  For example, explain how this is true:

"If Gavincoin wins, Bitcoin holdhouts lose nothing and Gavin supporters gain nothing. If Gavincoin flounders, Gavin supporters lose everything"

Hey iCE! This is your opportunity to show us that you are not just a brainless bully.

[iCEBREAKER]

With respect to Nick Most-Likely-To-Be-Satoshi-And-That-Is-Worth-A-Lot-Even-If -He-Isn't Szabo, I despise the "$4 billion system" argument. Every one of those investors knows it is a high risk asset with the potential for a 1000x return (and therefore, by any reasonable economics or logic, enormous risks). These are not widows and orphans.

Maybe the block size increase is a bad idea and maybe XT is a bad way to do it, but that argument is absurd sensationalism at its worst.

If anyone is aware Bitcoin is an experiment, it is Nick Szabo.

The specific figure is of no particular matter to his argument, but it's worth noting the experiment has gained considerable scope, such that a significant real world financial aspect exists and should be taken into account (in this case, by the Planning Dept.).