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Question: Will you support Gavin's new block size limit hard fork of 8MB by January 1, 2016 then doubling every 2 years?
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August 06, 2015, 06:29:18 AM
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fiat is king. btw the hate bitcoiners have against fiat is far stronger than the political skirmish some moneranoj have against bitcoin (me included, I dont see reasons to use bitcoin anymore), seeing how bitcoin needs fiat to survive its quite a paradox it is hated so much, monero on other hand doesnt need bitcoin to survive.
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August 06, 2015, 06:54:57 AM
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Gavin in May 2015: "increasing the max block size is urgent"
Gavin in July 2015: "The sky will not fall if the block size stays at 1MB"


Urgency begins before the sky is falling. Only limited brains would wait until the sky is falling.

I just quoted you Gavin saying "The sky will not fall."  How fucking thick are you?

He's right. The sky would not fall.

"Staat nenne ich's, wo alle Gifttrinker sind, Gute und Schlimme: Staat, wo alle sich selber verlieren, Gute und Schlimme:
Staat, wo der langsame Selbstmord aller – »das Leben« heisst."
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August 06, 2015, 07:16:00 AM
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fiat is king. btw the hate bitcoiners have against fiat is far stronger than the political skirmish some moneranoj have against bitcoin (me included, I dont see reasons to use bitcoin anymore), seeing how bitcoin needs fiat to survive its quite a paradox it is hated so much, monero on other hand doesnt need bitcoin to survive.

That's so true. Agree with you wholeheartedly. Bitcoin is nothing in a real life without fiat.

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August 06, 2015, 07:51:19 AM
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Peter's problem, if you call it a problem at all, is that I've only seen one person have the confidence or ability to step up and discuss the math with him. That's pretty damn  impressive.

Instead, all we get is a childish scolding by a hand waving armchair logic dev also by the name of Peter.

That's why I think this will not be solved with more debate.

More debate won't solve this *in the way you prefer.*

But more debate prolongs the stalemate,

Why monero matters
- Adaptive limits. Doesn't suffer from the 1MB block limits


https://moneroeconomy.com/faq/why-monero-matters

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August 06, 2015, 09:24:53 AM
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How anything can be a mystery to someone of such overwhelming intelligence is the real puzzle here. Sidestepped again, oh woe is me. It's not my job to explain your own view to you. Only you can bring yourself to your senses, you've proved countless times that you won't hear reason from anyone else.

The thrust of the Rome Burning metaphor is not the fact that Rome burns, but that you are Nero meddling fiddling whilst it happens. You missed that point though, so eager to to try and deny that there is any risk https://medium.com/@octskyward/crash-landing-f5cc19908e32

...and gavin said what now?

There is a very good blog post by David Hudson at hashingit.com analyzing what will happen on the network as we approach 100% full blocks. Please visit that link for full details, but basically he points out there is a mismatch between when transactions are created and when blocks are found– and that mismatch means very bad things start to happen on the network as the one megabyte limit is reached.

The only mystery here is how you could possibly extrapolate "moral bankruptcy" and well being coming "at the expense of others" from Davout's explicit "everyone gets to benefit" specification.  I suspect you are assigning moral solvency exclusively to equality of outcome, like a typical Free Shit Army Marxist.

And for the coup de grace, here is what Gavin said last month about your Sky Falling/Rome Burning/Red Zone/QUICK LET'S ALL PANIC-based attempts to ram through ill-considered hard forks using fear and mass hysteria:



Keep in mind this is the same Gavin who declared "increasing the max block size is urgent" back in early May.  Gavin must be using some exotic radial definition of "urgent" with which I am not familiar, because despite his FUD nothing bad happened, and as a result of 'meddling by doing nothing' we now enjoy the benefits of better node/pool/mine configurations, smarter wallet software, RBF, fee market incubation, and pressure on SC/LN development.

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Gavin in May 2015: "increasing the max block size is urgent"
Gavin in July 2015: "The sky will not fall if the block size stays at 1MB"


#REKT


The problem with calling people 'fucking morons' is it really bites you in the ass when you say something stupid yourself.

Your "coup de grace" only serves to illustrate the point I have made several times here, that whatever anyone says, you will find some way to spin it to suit your own agenda.

Here is your last post, without the fancy words:

I don't understand why its fair for everyone to be able to use the blockchain, I'm afraid that somehow I won't be able to get more benefit than everyone else, so I'll call you names.

I don't really care about facts or reason, I just like arguing on the internet because I feel safe protected by anonymity and the lack of accountability it affords me. Look how I can misconstrue this quote to support my argument.

Hey everyone look at me I am super cool because I can make text red and I know what a hashtag is.

Yeah its ad hom. sue me.

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August 06, 2015, 10:50:44 AM
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How anything can be a mystery to someone of such overwhelming intelligence is the real puzzle here. Sidestepped again, oh woe is me. It's not my job to explain your own view to you. Only you can bring yourself to your senses, you've proved countless times that you won't hear reason from anyone else.

The thrust of the Rome Burning metaphor is not the fact that Rome burns, but that you are Nero meddling fiddling whilst it happens. You missed that point though, so eager to to try and deny that there is any risk https://medium.com/@octskyward/crash-landing-f5cc19908e32

...and gavin said what now?

There is a very good blog post by David Hudson at hashingit.com analyzing what will happen on the network as we approach 100% full blocks. Please visit that link for full details, but basically he points out there is a mismatch between when transactions are created and when blocks are found– and that mismatch means very bad things start to happen on the network as the one megabyte limit is reached.

The only mystery here is how you could possibly extrapolate "moral bankruptcy" and well being coming "at the expense of others" from Davout's explicit "everyone gets to benefit" specification.  I suspect you are assigning moral solvency exclusively to equality of outcome, like a typical Free Shit Army Marxist.

And for the coup de grace, here is what Gavin said last month about your Sky Falling/Rome Burning/Red Zone/QUICK LET'S ALL PANIC-based attempts to ram through ill-considered hard forks using fear and mass hysteria:



Keep in mind this is the same Gavin who declared "increasing the max block size is urgent" back in early May.  Gavin must be using some exotic radial definition of "urgent" with which I am not familiar, because despite his FUD nothing bad happened, and as a result of 'meddling by doing nothing' we now enjoy the benefits of better node/pool/mine configurations, smarter wallet software, RBF, fee market incubation, and pressure on SC/LN development.

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Gavin in May 2015: "increasing the max block size is urgent"
Gavin in July 2015: "The sky will not fall if the block size stays at 1MB"


#REKT


The problem with calling people 'fucking morons' is it really bites you in the ass when you say something stupid yourself.

Your "coup de grace" only serves to illustrate the point I have made several times here, that whatever anyone says, you will find some way to spin it to suit your own agenda.

Here is your last post, without the fancy words:

I don't understand why its fair for everyone to be able to use the blockchain, I'm afraid that somehow I won't be able to get more benefit than everyone else, so I'll call you names.

I don't really care about facts or reason, I just like arguing on the internet because I feel safe protected by anonymity and the lack of accountability it affords me. Look how I can misconstrue this quote to support my argument.

Hey everyone look at me I am super cool because I can make text red and I know what a hashtag is.

Yeah its ad hom. sue me.
Nicely done.  Smiley

I decided that decentralised internet ego's have a tendency to disappear up ones own arse, eventually. Really boring process to watch, actually. 
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August 06, 2015, 11:46:14 AM
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The problem with calling people 'fucking morons' is it really bites you in the ass when you say something stupid yourself.

Your "coup de grace" only serves to illustrate the point I have made several times here, that whatever anyone says, you will find some way to spin it to suit your own agenda.

Here is your last post, without the fancy words:

I don't understand why its fair for everyone to be able to use the blockchain, I'm afraid that somehow I won't be able to get more benefit than everyone else, so I'll call you names.

I don't really care about facts or reason, I just like arguing on the internet because I feel safe protected by anonymity and the lack of accountability it affords me. Look how I can misconstrue this quote to support my argument.

Hey everyone look at me I am super cool because I can make text red and I know what a hashtag is.

Yeah its ad hom. sue me.


class dismissed.  Grin
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August 06, 2015, 12:05:07 PM
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Peter's problem, if you call it a problem at all, is that I've only seen one person have the confidence or ability to step up and discuss the math with him. That's pretty damn  impressive.

Instead, all we get is a childish scolding by a hand waving armchair logic dev also by the name of Peter.

That's why I think this will not be solved with more debate.

More debate won't solve this *in the way you prefer.*

But more debate prolongs the stalemate,

Why monero matters
- Adaptive limits. Doesn't suffer from the 1MB block limits


https://moneroeconomy.com/faq/why-monero-matters

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August 06, 2015, 12:11:18 PM
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The problem with calling people 'fucking morons' is it really bites you in the ass when you say something stupid yourself.

Your "coup de grace" only serves to illustrate the point I have made several times here, that whatever anyone says, you will find some way to spin it to suit your own agenda.

Here is your last post, without the fancy words:

I don't understand why its fair for everyone to be able to use the blockchain, I'm afraid that somehow I won't be able to get more benefit than everyone else, so I'll call you names.

I don't really care about facts or reason, I just like arguing on the internet because I feel safe protected by anonymity and the lack of accountability it affords me. Look how I can misconstrue this quote to support my argument.

Hey everyone look at me I am super cool because I can make text red and I know what a hashtag is.

Yeah its ad hom. sue me.


class dismissed.  Grin

Clearly sgbett is better than me at this  Cheesy
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August 06, 2015, 12:58:24 PM
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fiat is king. btw the hate bitcoiners have against fiat is far stronger than the political skirmish some moneranoj have against bitcoin (me included, I dont see reasons to use bitcoin anymore), seeing how bitcoin needs fiat to survive its quite a paradox it is hated so much, monero on other hand doesnt need bitcoin to survive.

So says the Monero pimp.
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August 06, 2015, 02:13:24 PM
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PT is getting trashed in the rest of the comment section those who seem sick of him are getting very highly upvoted

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3fuz2s/peter_todd_against_gavin_on_the_bitcoindev/

I think this whole blocksize "debate" has opened a lot of people's eyes.

the pro-bigger block upvotes on Reddit, IN GENERAL, are increasing in intensity and pitch and trashing Cripplecoiner's.  the whole lot of Blockstream core dev has been "in absentia" for weeks now and even the personal attacks against me are subsiding in intensity.

poor Cripplecoiner's.  the day of reckoning is nearing.
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August 06, 2015, 02:19:42 PM
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so if I understand correctly Peter's "landmark paper" rise to the top was.."short like leprechaun".

http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-August/009916.html

a valiant effort I guess. getting some more peer-review probably would've been of better judgment?

ps. I'm not against you "crowd-sourcing" your grammar but I thought the whole exercise on reddit made your thread unreadable.

if it was short, which it wasn't, it was only b/c guys like you didn't understand the math and b/c of your myopia.

so if that wasn't enough, perhaps today's Gavin quote stuck to the top of Reddit with over 500 upvotes is good enough for you?:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3fxvn8/gavin_andresen_on_his_vision_for_bitcoin_i_think/
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August 06, 2015, 02:46:22 PM
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$DJI getting ready to set a new short term low.  i love this;

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August 06, 2015, 02:54:13 PM
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oh my, Cripplecoiner's need to watch this from Andreas if you don't want to "lose all your money".  also, keep going to the end b/c it's clear that Andreas gets it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jqpKEHYGE0&feature=youtu.be&t=40m11s
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August 06, 2015, 03:10:40 PM
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what's a fair price for oil at this point?  $25?:

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August 06, 2015, 03:17:53 PM
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here's my theory.

the Fed might continue to threaten to raise interest rates all day long for months on end, which i don't think they will, but what is happening behind closed doors?  is their PPT division continually printing to perform stick saves all along this sideways pattern trying to prevent a selloff?:

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August 06, 2015, 03:35:45 PM
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only 14 more pts to go...
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August 06, 2015, 03:36:43 PM
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PT is getting trashed in the rest of the comment section those who seem sick of him are getting very highly upvoted

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3fuz2s/peter_todd_against_gavin_on_the_bitcoindev/

I think this whole blocksize "debate" has opened a lot of people's eyes.

the pro-bigger block upvotes on Reddit, IN GENERAL, are increasing in intensity and pitch and trashing Cripplecoiner's.  the whole lot of Blockstream core dev has been "in absentia" for weeks now and even the personal attacks against me are subsiding in intensity.

poor Cripplecoiner's.  the day of reckoning is nearing.

Reddit has made their decision, now let them enforce it.  Remind me, how many divisions does Chairman Pao command?   Grin

The max block size isn't changing anytime Soon®; you are wasting your energy pounding sand here.

Trash PT and iB all you like, it makes no difference to the Honey Badger of Money.   Cool

Remember the day your beloved overhyped 20mb Gavinblocks' got #REKT like Germanwings Flight 9525?  In case you forgot:

http://cointelegraph.com/news/114481/chinese-exchanges-reject-gavin-andresens-20-mb-block-size-increase

Hah, that was good times!   Cheesy  Cheesy  Cheesy

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PT is getting trashed in the rest of the comment section those who seem sick of him are getting very highly upvoted

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3fuz2s/peter_todd_against_gavin_on_the_bitcoindev/

I think this whole blocksize "debate" has opened a lot of people's eyes.

the pro-bigger block upvotes on Reddit, IN GENERAL, are increasing in intensity and pitch and trashing Cripplecoiner's.  the whole lot of Blockstream core dev has been "in absentia" for weeks now and even the personal attacks against me are subsiding in intensity.

poor Cripplecoiner's.  the day of reckoning is nearing.

Reddit has made their decision, now let them enforce it.  Remind me, how many divisions does Chairman Pao command?   Grin

The max block size isn't changing anytime Soon®; you are wasting your energy pounding sand here.

Trash PT and iB all you like, it makes no difference to the Honey Badger of Money.   Cool

Remember the day your beloved overhyped 20mb Gavinblocks' got #REKT like Germanwings Flight 9525?  In case you forgot:

http://cointelegraph.com/news/114481/chinese-exchanges-reject-gavin-andresens-20-mb-block-size-increase

Hah, that was good times!   Cheesy  Cheesy  Cheesy

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August 06, 2015, 04:01:09 PM
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only 14 more pts to go...

whoops.  breach in the hull...

sell, sell, sell.
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