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April 05, 2013, 12:54:23 AM |
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SD is a profit generating monster...amazing! Already $215K profit in just 4 days.
I am eagerly awaiting the March report to see if the total BTC bet as well as average BTC per bet decreased due to the price going from ~32 to ~92. I expect BTC per bet to decrease but total BTC bet to not go down due to increased userbase.
I wish exact numbers were posted for BTC per bet and total BTC bet each month, but from the graph alone it looks like BTC profits and BTC wagered is going down while the same numbers measured in USD is going up. If someone has the data for each month I wouldn't mind making a nice table along with USD conversions each time, I think the SDICE shares will benefit from more information on their profits. The exact numbers will be available when evoorhees posts the March earnings report, which should be any day now...
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Zaih
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April 05, 2013, 11:47:08 AM |
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Insane. Hopefully some individual didn't lose all the profits so far for April, and it was a more joint effort ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif) Keep it up sd!
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dooglus
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April 05, 2013, 09:04:40 PM |
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A pretty quiet 24h: Total of 67 bets unaccounted for.
Results: 2013-Apr-05 02:02pm (up to block 229847)
Address Target Should Win | #Bets | Win | Lose | Refunds | BTC In | BTC Out | Refund | Profit | RTP ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1dice1e6p 1 0.00002 | 118448 | 3 (0.00003) | 116595 | 1850 | 1439.07 | 3841.67 | 142.13 | -2402.60 | 266.955 1dice1Qf4 2 0.00003 | 7035 | 0 (0.00000) | 6483 | 552 | 113.13 | 0.15 | 22.23 | 112.97 | 0.137 1dice2pxm 4 0.00006 | 9105 | 1 (0.00012) | 8633 | 471 | 138.83 | 160.11 | 14.54 | -21.28 | 115.332 1dice2vQo 8 0.00012 | 17487 | 5 (0.00029) | 16992 | 490 | 354.05 | 432.62 | 10.11 | -78.57 | 122.192 1dice2WmR 16 0.00024 | 17537 | 1 (0.00006) | 17072 | 464 | 600.48 | 5.58 | 22.14 | 594.90 | 0.930 1dice2xkj 32 0.00049 | 24773 | 11 (0.00045) | 24345 | 417 | 1427.35 | 1537.92 | 1.45 | -110.56 | 107.746 1dice2zdo 64 0.00098 | 27569 | 34 (0.00126) | 27037 | 498 | 2005.91 | 1659.54 | 55.91 | 346.36 | 82.733 1dice37Ee 128 0.00195 | 20875 | 38 (0.00186) | 20365 | 472 | 2386.96 | 1562.92 | 48.43 | 824.03 | 65.478 1dice3jkp 256 0.00391 | 25988 | 113 (0.00442) | 25470 | 405 | 6001.90 | 8653.65 | 13.25 | -2651.74 | 144.182 1dice4J1m 512 0.00781 | 37171 | 298 (0.00818) | 36142 | 731 | 8309.54 | 6906.67 | 10.13 | 1402.87 | 83.117 1dice5wwE 1000 0.01526 | 132378 | 2005 (0.01521) | 129806 | 567 | 41134.53 | 36266.71 | 2.23 | 4867.81 | 88.166 1dice61SN 1500 0.02289 | 25530 | 583 (0.02317) | 24580 | 367 | 7963.01 | 8559.20 | 15.12 | -596.19 | 107.487 1dice6DPt 2000 0.03052 | 84375 | 2575 (0.03066) | 81397 | 403 | 40982.89 | 36646.23 | 9.39 | 4336.66 | 89.418 1dice6gJg 3000 0.04578 | 30154 | 1376 (0.04636) | 28305 | 473 | 9810.91 | 10634.65 | 25.34 | -823.73 | 108.396 1dice6GV5 4000 0.06104 | 36200 | 2221 (0.06205) | 33575 | 404 | 7725.70 | 7514.90 | 31.39 | 210.79 | 97.271 1dice6wBx 6000 0.09155 | 50706 | 4608 (0.09176) | 45610 | 488 | 16804.95 | 18412.58 | 7.43 | -1607.63 | 109.566 1dice6YgE 8000 0.12207 | 197345 | 24143 (0.12268) | 172657 | 545 | 96192.73 | 95059.03 | 100.63 | 1133.70 | 98.821 1dice7EYz 12000 0.18311 | 106171 | 19288 (0.18269) | 86290 | 593 | 175456.43 | 176350.20 | 3315.07 | -893.77 | 100.509 1dice7fUk 16000 0.24414 | 271604 | 66200 (0.24429) | 204791 | 613 | 372911.72 | 358950.67 | 2322.61 | 13961.04 | 96.256 1dice7W2A 24000 0.36621 | 265073 | 97246 (0.36773) | 167207 | 620 | 590435.09 | 582314.27 | 1013.34 | 8120.81 | 98.625 1dice8EMZ 32000 0.48828 | 1171811 | 571079 (0.48809) | 598961 | 1771 | 905855.35 | 887561.09 | 2925.37 | 18294.26 | 97.980 1dice97EC 32768 0.50000 | 656948 | 327587 (0.49965) | 328042 | 1319 | 681092.13 | 664148.84 | 6521.94 | 16943.29 | 97.512 1dice9wcM 48000 0.73242 | 374220 | 274568 (0.73518) | 98901 | 751 | 307671.83 | 300552.79 | 6172.24 | 7119.03 | 97.686 1dicec9k7 52000 0.79346 | 84092 | 66331 (0.79433) | 17175 | 586 | 64343.28 | 62933.79 | 1187.79 | 1409.48 | 97.809 1dicegEAr 56000 0.85449 | 75113 | 63794 (0.85673) | 10668 | 651 | 81467.76 | 80674.84 | 400.82 | 792.91 | 99.027 1diceDCd2 60000 0.91553 | 117698 | 107228 (0.91622) | 9805 | 665 | 74404.03 | 73340.36 | 1.01 | 1063.66 | 98.570 1dice9wVt 64000 0.97656 | 19469 | 17771 (0.97971) | 368 | 1330 | 24755.20 | 24339.80 | 240.53 | 415.39 | 98.322 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- small (bets < 4 BTC) | 3884677 | 1594714 | 2271760 | 18203 | 814547.15 | 800407.45 | 287.49 | 14139.70 | 98.264 big (bets >= 4 BTC) | 120198 | 54393 | 65512 | 293 | 2707237.71 | 2648613.47 | 24345.21 | 58624.24 | 97.835 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- | 4004875 | 1649107 | 2337272 | 18496 | 3521784.87 | 3449020.93 | 24632.70 | 72763.94 | 97.934 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
SD Profit before fees: 72763.94350597 BTC (2.066%) Cumulative Fees Paid: 3217.35897500 BTC SD Profit after fees: 69546.58453097 BTC (1.975%) Pending Liabilities: 5.02213640 BTC Final SD Profit: 69541.56239457 BTC (1.975%) Profit This Month: 1698.63582695 BTC ---- Since Satoshi Dice started, there have been: Blockchain Tx: 12709606 : SatoshiDice Tx: 7355544 (57.9%) Blockchain MB: 5516.0 : SatoshiDice MB: 3031.6 (55.0%) ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2F1OUOtYp.png&t=665&c=kp1jl2U6EIHDgg) ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FyIqS5Jq.png&t=665&c=Sr8W2tsrFiURVw)
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dooglus
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April 06, 2013, 08:26:13 PM |
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Total of 57 bets unaccounted for.
Results: 2013-Apr-06 01:24pm (up to block 230008)
Address Target Should Win | #Bets | Win | Lose | Refunds | BTC In | BTC Out | Refund | Profit | RTP ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1dice1e6p 1 0.00002 | 119007 | 3 (0.00003) | 117144 | 1860 | 1447.28 | 3841.71 | 142.16 | -2394.42 | 265.442 1dice1Qf4 2 0.00003 | 7140 | 0 (0.00000) | 6588 | 552 | 114.25 | 0.16 | 22.23 | 114.09 | 0.141 1dice2pxm 4 0.00006 | 9164 | 1 (0.00012) | 8690 | 473 | 139.44 | 160.12 | 14.54 | -20.67 | 114.830 1dice2vQo 8 0.00012 | 17500 | 5 (0.00029) | 17004 | 491 | 354.17 | 432.62 | 10.12 | -78.45 | 122.151 1dice2WmR 16 0.00024 | 17594 | 1 (0.00006) | 17129 | 464 | 601.18 | 5.58 | 22.14 | 595.60 | 0.929 1dice2xkj 32 0.00049 | 24833 | 11 (0.00045) | 24405 | 417 | 1428.00 | 1537.93 | 1.45 | -109.92 | 107.698 1dice2zdo 64 0.00098 | 27725 | 34 (0.00125) | 27192 | 499 | 2007.77 | 1659.55 | 55.92 | 348.22 | 82.656 1dice37Ee 128 0.00195 | 20909 | 38 (0.00186) | 20394 | 477 | 2387.40 | 1562.93 | 48.44 | 824.47 | 65.466 1dice3jkp 256 0.00391 | 26033 | 113 (0.00441) | 25515 | 405 | 6003.12 | 8653.65 | 13.25 | -2650.53 | 144.153 1dice4J1m 512 0.00781 | 37239 | 298 (0.00816) | 36208 | 733 | 8311.55 | 6906.68 | 10.14 | 1404.86 | 83.097 1dice5wwE 1000 0.01526 | 132726 | 2008 (0.01519) | 130150 | 568 | 41139.80 | 36268.67 | 2.23 | 4871.12 | 88.160 1dice61SN 1500 0.02289 | 25600 | 584 (0.02314) | 24649 | 367 | 7964.45 | 8559.64 | 15.12 | -595.18 | 107.473 1dice6DPt 2000 0.03052 | 84622 | 2581 (0.03065) | 81637 | 404 | 40987.58 | 36651.38 | 9.39 | 4336.19 | 89.421 1dice6gJg 3000 0.04578 | 30258 | 1380 (0.04634) | 28403 | 475 | 9813.30 | 10635.52 | 25.35 | -822.21 | 108.379 1dice6GV5 4000 0.06104 | 36255 | 2222 (0.06198) | 33628 | 405 | 7726.83 | 7515.07 | 31.40 | 211.76 | 97.259 1dice6wBx 6000 0.09155 | 50902 | 4629 (0.09183) | 45779 | 494 | 16811.86 | 18424.81 | 7.45 | -1612.95 | 109.594 1dice6YgE 8000 0.12207 | 197768 | 24195 (0.12268) | 173026 | 547 | 96202.92 | 95071.00 | 100.63 | 1131.91 | 98.823 1dice7EYz 12000 0.18311 | 106917 | 19452 (0.18296) | 86865 | 600 | 175484.38 | 176383.52 | 3315.10 | -899.14 | 100.512 1dice7fUk 16000 0.24414 | 272640 | 66459 (0.24432) | 205561 | 620 | 372995.45 | 359043.62 | 2322.64 | 13951.83 | 96.260 1dice7W2A 24000 0.36621 | 265654 | 97447 (0.36769) | 167580 | 627 | 590474.61 | 582348.68 | 1013.36 | 8125.93 | 98.624 1dice8EMZ 32000 0.48828 | 1174539 | 572420 (0.48810) | 600339 | 1780 | 906490.70 | 888090.98 | 2925.41 | 18399.72 | 97.970 1dice97EC 32768 0.50000 | 659306 | 328728 (0.49961) | 329244 | 1334 | 682138.43 | 665037.68 | 6522.00 | 17100.75 | 97.493 1dice9wcM 48000 0.73242 | 375863 | 275768 (0.73519) | 99332 | 763 | 307885.67 | 300774.09 | 6172.30 | 7111.57 | 97.690 1dicec9k7 52000 0.79346 | 84590 | 66709 (0.79420) | 17286 | 595 | 64411.63 | 62994.31 | 1187.83 | 1417.32 | 97.800 1dicegEAr 56000 0.85449 | 76015 | 64561 (0.85676) | 10794 | 660 | 81569.98 | 80779.91 | 400.85 | 790.07 | 99.031 1diceDCd2 60000 0.91553 | 118610 | 108050 (0.91622) | 9880 | 680 | 74501.22 | 73426.11 | 1.03 | 1075.11 | 98.557 1dice9wVt 64000 0.97656 | 19567 | 17849 (0.97975) | 369 | 1349 | 24762.80 | 24347.24 | 240.55 | 415.56 | 98.322 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- small (bets < 4 BTC) | 3898711 | 1601130 | 2279235 | 18346 | 815799.97 | 801606.72 | 287.94 | 14193.25 | 98.260 big (bets >= 4 BTC) | 120265 | 54416 | 65556 | 293 | 2708355.91 | 2649506.54 | 24345.21 | 58849.37 | 97.827 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- | 4018976 | 1655546 | 2344791 | 18639 | 3524155.89 | 3451113.26 | 24633.15 | 73042.63 | 97.927 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
SD Profit before fees: 73042.63495753 BTC (2.073%) Cumulative Fees Paid: 3232.08357500 BTC SD Profit after fees: 69810.55138253 BTC (1.981%) Pending Liabilities: 1.71823626 BTC Final SD Profit: 69808.83314627 BTC (1.981%) Profit This Month: 1965.90657865 BTC ---- Since Satoshi Dice started, there have been: Blockchain Tx: 12762755 : SatoshiDice Tx: 7381700 (57.8%) Blockchain MB: 5540.4 : SatoshiDice MB: 3042.5 (54.9%) ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FyjCVL7E.png&t=665&c=KxDLwNe-_a0mYw) ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FBEu9Jic.png&t=665&c=xszfT3LRXxWHyA)
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Twerka
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April 06, 2013, 08:28:39 PM |
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Just curious, ¿why people play a game that CAN'T be beaten?
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The worst enemy of Bitcoin is Mt.Gox exchange.
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FTWbitcoinFTW
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April 06, 2013, 09:01:07 PM |
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why people smoke, you can't beat cancer ?
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Lost coins only make everyone else's coins worth slightly more. Think of it as a donation to everyone. it has lots of buttery taste..
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solex
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April 06, 2013, 10:15:04 PM |
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Just curious, ¿why people play a game that CAN'T be beaten?
Because humans can decide to be no better than this: ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fgreenandgold.uaa.alaska.edu%2Fweekly%2Fimages%2F20130312-research-Rat-Skinner-box.jpg&t=665&c=sAczoyLVEhYFVw)
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April 06, 2013, 11:01:09 PM |
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why people smoke, you can't beat cancer ?
Dont you have played lottery never ?
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romerun
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Bitcoin is new, makes sense to hodl.
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April 07, 2013, 12:44:35 AM |
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I do really think some of those big wins of last month coming from double spending exploit, forcing sdice to wait for 1 confirm. Bad luck shouldn't happen so often from now on ![Cool](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cool.gif)
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BTCdude007
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April 07, 2013, 03:48:25 AM |
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Looks like there is a bot playing from this address 1MMqBiVZiciztWqL635TLVMnTXeqSQ8jLU.
blockchain.info shows hundreds of low probability bets in just the past hour or so.
If one of them hits, say bye-bye to all the profits so far this month.
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MeatPopsicle
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April 07, 2013, 09:03:34 AM |
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Looks like there is a bot playing from this address 1MMqBiVZiciztWqL635TLVMnTXeqSQ8jLU.
First Bet | Last Bet | bets | winnings | profit ---------------------+---------------------+--------------+-------------+--------------- 2013-03-19 00:55:02 | 2013-04-07 09:03:55 | 189.69558100 | 42.93611902 | -146.75946198
Wish I had $20k to blow playing SD. I take that back, looks like they won one: First Bet | Last Bet | bets | winnings | profit ---------------------+---------------------+--------------+--------------+------------- 2013-03-19 00:55:02 | 2013-04-07 09:08:53 | 192.72208100 | 242.83605152 | 50.11397052
199.88505000 BTC on a .05 lessthan 16 bet.
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Zaih
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April 07, 2013, 01:07:12 PM |
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Just curious, ¿why people play a game that CAN'T be beaten?
It can be beaten ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) . 1.9% house edge is TINY. Chances are, if you played less than 50 games of SD, their house edge hasn't even affected you, and you were playing 50/50. It's only people who play THOUSANDS of games that end up losing everything due to house edge. Some casino's take up to 10% margins, SD takes 1.9% which is extremely fair. Obviously though, in the long run they profit, but so do a lot of other people ![Cheesy](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cheesy.gif)
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organofcorti
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April 07, 2013, 01:14:01 PM |
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Just curious, ¿why people play a game that CAN'T be beaten?
It can be beaten ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) . 1.9% house edge is TINY. Chances are, if you played less than 50 games of SD, their house edge hasn't even affected you, and you were playing 50/50. It's only people who play THOUSANDS of games that end up losing everything due to house edge. [...] This sounds quite dubious to me. Can you prove your assertion?
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Zaih
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April 07, 2013, 01:41:05 PM |
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Just curious, ¿why people play a game that CAN'T be beaten?
It can be beaten ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) . 1.9% house edge is TINY. Chances are, if you played less than 50 games of SD, their house edge hasn't even affected you, and you were playing 50/50. It's only people who play THOUSANDS of games that end up losing everything due to house edge. [...] This sounds quite dubious to me. Can you prove your assertion? For the sake of this argument, lets say SD's house edge is 2%. For every 100 games played, you win 49, you lose 51. Therefor, for every 49 games played, you win 24 and lose 25 (Give or take .1 of a win lol). That's one extra loss than win every 50 games on average. In 50/50 gambling, in theory, you will not make any profit or loss. So for 49/50 of the rolls you do with SD, their house edge is not affecting you what so ever. If you're betting an average of 1% of your money every time you bet, it's going to take 1000 rolls for SD's edge to take 20% of your money. Therefor, with an average of 1% of your money (Not compounding) gambled each time, it'll take 5000 rolls before you are 'cleaned' due to SD's house edge. Obviously the 50/50 can have you go either up or down a lot during those 5000 rolls. But that's 50/50, and has no EV apart from entertainment. With such a low house edge as 2%, the variance involved when gambling is still massive. The player has enormous chances at making a lot before house edge even comes into play. It's unbeatable when you look at everyone who has ever gambled there, and then add all their bets together. That's when house edge starts really showing. But to the individual bettor who's looking for a bit of fun, it's more or less unoticeable. I just feel as if you guys are making it out to be a lot bigger than it really is (The house edge).
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organofcorti
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Poor impulse control.
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April 07, 2013, 02:18:21 PM |
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Just curious, ¿why people play a game that CAN'T be beaten?
It can be beaten ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) . 1.9% house edge is TINY. Chances are, if you played less than 50 games of SD, their house edge hasn't even affected you, and you were playing 50/50. It's only people who play THOUSANDS of games that end up losing everything due to house edge. [...] This sounds quite dubious to me. Can you prove your assertion? For the sake of this argument, lets say SD's house edge is 2%. For every 100 games played, you win 49, you lose 51. Therefor, for every 49 games played, you win 24 and lose 25 (Give or take .1 of a win lol). That's one extra loss than win every 50 games on average. In 50/50 gambling, in theory, you will not make any profit or loss. So for 49/50 of the rolls you do with SD, their house edge is not affecting you what so ever. If you're betting an average of 1% of your money every time you bet, it's going to take 1000 rolls for SD's edge to take 20% of your money. Therefor, with an average of 1% of your money (Not compounding) gambled each time, it'll take 5000 rolls before you are 'cleaned' due to SD's house edge. Obviously the 50/50 can have you go either up or down a lot during those 5000 rolls. But that's 50/50, and has no EV apart from entertainment. With such a low house edge as 2%, the variance involved when gambling is still massive. The player has enormous chances at making a lot before house edge even comes into play. It's unbeatable when you look at everyone who has ever gambled there, and then add all their bets together. That's when house edge starts really showing. But to the individual bettor who's looking for a bit of fun, it's more or less unoticeable. I just feel as if you guys are making it out to be a lot bigger than it really is (The house edge). You're forgetting about variance. Variance is why you might not notice the house edge in the short term. There's no 50 game cut off, but as you play longer, your losses approach 1.9% of the total you bet (assuming an infinite bankroll). A game in which you are paid double for a win and in which you have 49.05% chance of winning results in an expected win percentage of 98.1 - house odds of 1.9%. For 50 turns of this game the 95% confidence interval for wins is 18 to 31, which is a gain of ~ - 28% to + 24%. This interval is many times larger than the expected loss of 1.9% and so the effect of the negative expected value is very small by comparison, and not noticed. But there is still a significant gap between the bound for the losses and the bound for the gains. I think I'd notice that 4% difference over a number of 50 turn games. After 10000 of this game, the 95% confidence interval for wins is 4807 to 5003, a gain of ~ -3.86% to + 0.06%. Still an approximate difference of 4%. The house edge is there. You might not notice it, but it has an effect on each and every roll you make.
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MeatPopsicle
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April 07, 2013, 10:37:25 PM |
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And they spent most of their money again so everything is good with the world: First Bet | Last Bet | bets | winnings | profit ---------------------+---------------------+--------------+--------------+------------ 2013-03-19 00:55:02 | 2013-04-07 22:35:38 | 253.85541248 | 263.44254937 | 9.58713689
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dooglus
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April 08, 2013, 12:54:08 AM |
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Total of 14 bets unaccounted for.
Results: 2013-Apr-07 05:34pm (up to block 230202)
Address Target Should Win | #Bets | Win | Lose | Refunds | BTC In | BTC Out | Refund | Profit | RTP ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1dice1e6p 1 0.00002 | 119904 | 3 (0.00003) | 118026 | 1875 | 1459.23 | 3841.77 | 142.45 | -2382.54 | 263.273 1dice1Qf4 2 0.00003 | 7178 | 0 (0.00000) | 6625 | 553 | 114.74 | 0.16 | 22.23 | 114.58 | 0.142 1dice2pxm 4 0.00006 | 9237 | 1 (0.00011) | 8761 | 475 | 140.21 | 160.12 | 14.55 | -19.90 | 114.199 1dice2vQo 8 0.00012 | 18663 | 5 (0.00028) | 18166 | 492 | 386.10 | 432.78 | 10.12 | -46.67 | 112.089 1dice2WmR 16 0.00024 | 19748 | 2 (0.00010) | 19282 | 464 | 684.79 | 205.88 | 22.14 | 478.90 | 30.066 1dice2xkj 32 0.00049 | 25352 | 11 (0.00044) | 24923 | 418 | 1456.24 | 1538.07 | 1.46 | -81.82 | 105.619 1dice2zdo 64 0.00098 | 27979 | 34 (0.00124) | 27444 | 501 | 2029.44 | 1659.65 | 55.92 | 369.78 | 81.779 1dice37Ee 128 0.00195 | 20959 | 38 (0.00186) | 20443 | 478 | 2388.57 | 1562.93 | 48.44 | 825.63 | 65.434 1dice3jkp 256 0.00391 | 26063 | 113 (0.00440) | 25545 | 405 | 6003.84 | 8653.66 | 13.25 | -2649.81 | 144.135 1dice4J1m 512 0.00781 | 37395 | 299 (0.00816) | 36363 | 733 | 8315.00 | 6907.95 | 10.14 | 1407.04 | 83.078 1dice5wwE 1000 0.01526 | 133898 | 2026 (0.01520) | 131302 | 570 | 41216.30 | 36330.37 | 2.24 | 4885.92 | 88.146 1dice61SN 1500 0.02289 | 25638 | 585 (0.02315) | 24685 | 368 | 7965.50 | 8560.07 | 15.12 | -594.56 | 107.464 1dice6DPt 2000 0.03052 | 85314 | 2594 (0.03055) | 82315 | 405 | 41007.60 | 36655.64 | 9.39 | 4351.95 | 89.387 1dice6gJg 3000 0.04578 | 30306 | 1384 (0.04639) | 28447 | 475 | 9815.02 | 10637.23 | 25.35 | -822.21 | 108.377 1dice6GV5 4000 0.06104 | 36298 | 2224 (0.06196) | 33669 | 405 | 7728.70 | 7516.84 | 31.40 | 211.85 | 97.259 1dice6wBx 6000 0.09155 | 51137 | 4653 (0.09188) | 45987 | 497 | 16822.05 | 18433.77 | 7.47 | -1611.71 | 109.581 1dice6YgE 8000 0.12207 | 198871 | 24323 (0.12264) | 174000 | 548 | 96260.60 | 95122.34 | 100.64 | 1138.25 | 98.818 1dice7EYz 12000 0.18311 | 109551 | 19957 (0.18318) | 88991 | 603 | 175608.99 | 176512.32 | 3315.12 | -903.33 | 100.514 1dice7fUk 16000 0.24414 | 274128 | 66793 (0.24421) | 206711 | 624 | 373121.92 | 359170.83 | 2322.66 | 13951.08 | 96.261 1dice7W2A 24000 0.36621 | 266660 | 97821 (0.36771) | 168209 | 630 | 590567.74 | 582486.28 | 1013.38 | 8081.45 | 98.632 1dice8EMZ 32000 0.48828 | 1178167 | 574095 (0.48802) | 602289 | 1783 | 906966.69 | 888510.74 | 2925.43 | 18455.94 | 97.965 1dice97EC 32768 0.50000 | 662493 | 330309 (0.49960) | 330842 | 1342 | 682685.85 | 665625.01 | 6522.04 | 17060.84 | 97.501 1dice9wcM 48000 0.73242 | 377987 | 277305 (0.73513) | 99914 | 768 | 308030.57 | 300912.67 | 6172.33 | 7117.89 | 97.689 1dicec9k7 52000 0.79346 | 85220 | 67205 (0.79420) | 17415 | 600 | 64495.52 | 63083.75 | 1187.84 | 1411.76 | 97.811 1dicegEAr 56000 0.85449 | 76592 | 65050 (0.85671) | 10880 | 662 | 81616.66 | 80824.44 | 400.86 | 792.21 | 99.029 1diceDCd2 60000 0.91553 | 119734 | 109066 (0.91617) | 9979 | 689 | 74600.46 | 73526.79 | 1.08 | 1073.67 | 98.561 1dice9wVt 64000 0.97656 | 19696 | 17956 (0.97965) | 373 | 1367 | 24773.14 | 24356.60 | 240.58 | 416.54 | 98.319 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- small (bets < 4 BTC) | 3923861 | 1609412 | 2296012 | 18437 | 817587.60 | 803333.80 | 288.55 | 14253.80 | 98.257 big (bets >= 4 BTC) | 120307 | 54440 | 65574 | 293 | 2708673.98 | 2649894.99 | 24345.21 | 58778.99 | 97.830 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- | 4044168 | 1663852 | 2361586 | 18730 | 3526261.59 | 3453228.79 | 24633.77 | 73032.79 | 97.929 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
SD Profit before fees: 73032.79873537 BTC (2.071%) Cumulative Fees Paid: 3258.54297500 BTC SD Profit after fees: 69774.25576037 BTC (1.979%) Pending Liabilities: 1.55722838 BTC Final SD Profit: 69772.69853199 BTC (1.979%) Profit This Month: 1929.77196437 BTC ---- Since Satoshi Dice started, there have been: Blockchain Tx: 12835917 : SatoshiDice Tx: 7422550 (57.8%) Blockchain MB: 5577.7 : SatoshiDice MB: 3060.7 (54.9%) ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FNivIHP1.png&t=665&c=wv6uaTwKaXkcQA) ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2F3q7gsb3.png&t=665&c=RKxTsoKv2x66Cg)
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dooglus
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April 08, 2013, 11:06:29 PM |
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Total of 129 bets unaccounted for.
Results: 2013-Apr-08 03:45pm (up to block 230349)
Address Target Should Win | #Bets | Win | Lose | Refunds | BTC In | BTC Out | Refund | Profit | RTP ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1dice1e6p 1 0.00002 | 120684 | 3 (0.00003) | 118803 | 1878 | 1470.24 | 3841.83 | 142.46 | -2371.58 | 261.306 1dice1Qf4 2 0.00003 | 7193 | 0 (0.00000) | 6640 | 553 | 115.11 | 0.16 | 22.23 | 114.95 | 0.144 1dice2pxm 4 0.00006 | 9270 | 1 (0.00011) | 8794 | 475 | 140.99 | 160.12 | 14.55 | -19.13 | 113.570 1dice2vQo 8 0.00012 | 18711 | 5 (0.00027) | 18213 | 493 | 386.59 | 432.78 | 10.13 | -46.18 | 111.947 1dice2WmR 16 0.00024 | 19852 | 2 (0.00010) | 19386 | 464 | 686.22 | 205.89 | 22.14 | 480.32 | 30.004 1dice2xkj 32 0.00049 | 25396 | 11 (0.00044) | 24967 | 418 | 1457.88 | 1538.08 | 1.46 | -80.19 | 105.501 1dice2zdo 64 0.00098 | 28027 | 34 (0.00124) | 27490 | 503 | 2029.96 | 1659.66 | 55.93 | 370.30 | 81.758 1dice37Ee 128 0.00195 | 21008 | 38 (0.00185) | 20490 | 480 | 2389.71 | 1562.94 | 48.45 | 826.77 | 65.403 1dice3jkp 256 0.00391 | 26150 | 113 (0.00439) | 25630 | 407 | 6005.40 | 8653.66 | 13.25 | -2648.26 | 144.098 1dice4J1m 512 0.00781 | 37467 | 299 (0.00814) | 36432 | 736 | 8316.71 | 6907.96 | 10.15 | 1408.75 | 83.061 1dice5wwE 1000 0.01526 | 134222 | 2031 (0.01520) | 131619 | 572 | 41225.06 | 36334.89 | 2.25 | 4890.17 | 88.138 1dice61SN 1500 0.02289 | 25658 | 587 (0.02321) | 24701 | 370 | 7966.07 | 8560.92 | 15.13 | -594.85 | 107.467 1dice6DPt 2000 0.03052 | 85451 | 2602 (0.03060) | 82443 | 406 | 41012.20 | 36661.93 | 9.39 | 4350.27 | 89.393 1dice6gJg 3000 0.04578 | 30336 | 1387 (0.04645) | 28472 | 477 | 9816.18 | 10639.80 | 25.36 | -823.61 | 108.390 1dice6GV5 4000 0.06104 | 36337 | 2228 (0.06201) | 33703 | 406 | 7730.40 | 7520.68 | 31.41 | 209.71 | 97.287 1dice6wBx 6000 0.09155 | 51240 | 4659 (0.09182) | 46081 | 500 | 16828.56 | 18435.40 | 7.47 | -1606.83 | 109.548 1dice6YgE 8000 0.12207 | 199145 | 24355 (0.12264) | 174241 | 549 | 96271.50 | 95131.88 | 100.64 | 1139.62 | 98.816 1dice7EYz 12000 0.18311 | 110248 | 20085 (0.18319) | 89558 | 605 | 175644.67 | 176544.01 | 3315.12 | -899.33 | 100.512 1dice7fUk 16000 0.24414 | 274868 | 66977 (0.24423) | 207265 | 626 | 373204.83 | 359263.03 | 2322.67 | 13941.80 | 96.264 1dice7W2A 24000 0.36621 | 267357 | 98083 (0.36773) | 168642 | 632 | 590627.97 | 582546.66 | 1013.38 | 8081.30 | 98.632 1dice8EMZ 32000 0.48828 | 1180596 | 575299 (0.48804) | 603505 | 1792 | 907182.47 | 888743.40 | 2925.47 | 18439.06 | 97.967 1dice97EC 32768 0.50000 | 664351 | 331245 (0.49961) | 331758 | 1348 | 683039.98 | 666029.34 | 6522.07 | 17010.64 | 97.510 1dice9wcM 48000 0.73242 | 379768 | 278603 (0.73512) | 100389 | 776 | 308137.88 | 301007.27 | 6172.37 | 7130.60 | 97.686 1dicec9k7 52000 0.79346 | 85595 | 67501 (0.79420) | 17491 | 603 | 64580.43 | 63167.93 | 1187.84 | 1412.50 | 97.813 1dicegEAr 56000 0.85449 | 77188 | 65568 (0.85685) | 10954 | 666 | 81660.75 | 80868.17 | 400.87 | 792.58 | 99.029 1diceDCd2 60000 0.91553 | 120697 | 109946 (0.91618) | 10059 | 692 | 74792.71 | 73725.23 | 1.10 | 1067.48 | 98.573 1dice9wVt 64000 0.97656 | 19914 | 18154 (0.97955) | 379 | 1381 | 24830.62 | 24414.13 | 240.61 | 416.49 | 98.323 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- small (bets < 4 BTC) | 3936391 | 1615353 | 2302523 | 18515 | 818608.52 | 804336.54 | 288.82 | 14271.98 | 98.257 big (bets >= 4 BTC) | 120338 | 54463 | 65582 | 293 | 2708942.72 | 2650221.33 | 24345.21 | 58721.39 | 97.832 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- | 4056729 | 1669816 | 2368105 | 18808 | 3527551.24 | 3454557.87 | 24634.03 | 72993.37 | 97.931 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
SD Profit before fees: 72993.37586867 BTC (2.069%) Cumulative Fees Paid: 3271.63557500 BTC SD Profit after fees: 69721.74029367 BTC (1.976%) Pending Liabilities: 2.57940241 BTC Final SD Profit: 69719.16089126 BTC (1.976%) Profit This Month: 1876.23432364 BTC ---- Since Satoshi Dice started, there have been: Blockchain Tx: 12892929 : SatoshiDice Tx: 7446463 (57.8%) Blockchain MB: 5604.6 : SatoshiDice MB: 3070.6 (54.8%) ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2Fp0TichW.png&t=665&c=zeXvofKz5HZsQA) ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FSE1Lr9b.png&t=665&c=9EaK6vEZdbQxKw)
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deepceleron
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April 08, 2013, 11:57:03 PM |
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The house edge is there. You might not notice it, but it has an effect on each and every roll you make. To make it more understandable, every time you send 1.00 BTC to Satoshidice, they send you back 0.981 BTC. If you send the 0.981 BTC to them again, you now have 0.9624 BTC. They have just added variance to this process to keep you entertained for a while. The more you bet, the more you reduce the variance and approach the above scenario. The more you bet, the more you compound your loss. The only winning move is not to play.
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April 09, 2013, 12:08:07 AM |
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So who is stacking up the most BTC? SatoshiDice or MtGox!
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