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August 22, 2016, 01:52:34 AM
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Who is the fucking moron who added ION to the title - Suchmoon? That is a very narrow minded and disrespectful move - especially after the positive words I have heard about you in the past. ION is about as far away from that cunt Ganza as you can get, do you not even begin to see that the whole idea of the IONOMY is to give ppl some value back? Team ION have not robbed people, pumped the coins and gained from others. GANZA robbed terminal ill ppl (Trixer) and did not give a fuck when he died. Ganza robbed ppl who are now homeless. I actually have respect for some of you repeat posters here but it is shit like that which makes some of you look like complete fucking morons in shitting up a project just for you own backward merits?

Yes, I'm the fucking moron you're looking for. How is adding something into a thread title "narrow minded and disrespectful move"? Especially right next to "ALWAYS MAKE MONEY"?

I've had many different things in the title over the years, Garza's every project from hashlets to Coinstand, as well as spin-off attempts like BTCLend or xpy.io. Speaking of which, isn't ionomy a rebranding of xpy.io, a project that was supposed "to give ppl some value back" and failed utterly?

This is not a scam accusation thread, it's in "Service Discussion", so chill about "robbing" and "shitting" and all. If the ION team would happen to amaze us with technological innovation, transparency, business execution - that's what we would discuss here. However...

As conversed above, the whole ethos with the ionomy is to make a difference, it is not a PnD affair but one of innovation and forward thinking. I hope it can be looked at in a different light in time, rather than as in the same dank environment as XPY / Ganza thief is.


Let's see. ionomy/ION

a) is a 100% premined coin
b) converted 10 million XPY into ION (and forgot to burn the XPY but that's another story)
c) has 100% inflation in the first year
d) has no transparency WRT ICO funds or the premine
e) doxes opponents
f) is months late to produce their first game despite promising 1 game a month

I could go on but I think this is enough to dispel this myth about "ethos".

You know what would have been ethical and also would have maximized the value for the bagholders? If the assorted XPY and ION foundations and teams hadn't attempted to resuscitate Garza's leftovers at all. Everyone should have gone their separate ways when Garza disappeared in early 2015 and made their own choices. But there is apparently a very persistent group of paycoiners who love to be told where to put their money and another group of slightly evolved paycoiners who love to take said money. Whatever makes them happy I guess.

You are truly moronic, and especially after the upstanding things I heard about you in the past, I have no respect for you now.

And " If the ION team would happen to amaze us with technological innovation, transparency, business execution - that's what we would discuss here."

You would not have the balls (sic) to change your ways and thinking when the products are delivered so please do not try to pull the perverbial wool over my eyes.

So which of those points do you disagree with?

100% premined coin?
Failure to burn all the converted XPY?
100% inflation?
Lack of transparency regarding all those BTC from the ICO? (we are talking about a large amount of money here)
That Doxing has been used heavily?
That gravity is horrifically late compared to the claims and still not out?

For an outsider this looks and smells like so many projects that came out of GAW and its predecessors its not funny.  If team ION wanted to distance itself from GAW they shouldnt have followed its playbook.
At least they were smart and use a slack forum that automatically wipes itself.  Virtually no activity on iontalk.

FUDDDER!!111!!!!

They are very busy....praying.
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You are truly moronic, and especially after the upstanding things I heard about you in the past, I have no respect for you now.

And " If the ION team would happen to amaze us with technological innovation, transparency, business execution - that's what we would discuss here."

You would not have the balls (sic) to change your ways and thinking when the products are delivered so please do not try to pull the perverbial wool over my eyes.

You're missing the point my friend. Even if I removed ION from the title and went on a sabbatical to travel around the world - that wouldn't make the whole ionomy thing any more successful. This thread, or what I think, or the size of my sick balls doesn't make or break the project, just like it didn't for Garza. Who by the way was also very unhappy about the discussion here, so go figure.

Suchmoon I do respect the work you've done over the years, gathering so many pieces of evidence and proving A+B that Garza is a scammer and as Allen stated on several occasion, your contribution is by far the most valuable one and thanks to you, has enabled GAWsuit to collect enough evidences for it's case.

However, I agree with Krumz on that one! ION has nothing to do with Garza and should not be listed in that thread.

Apart from the fact that Krumz & TeamXPY have spent a considerable amount of time and personal ressources trying to revive a coin in which they believed, they shouldn't be linked with Garza anymore. All of them got scammed by him and this doesn't make them complicit, quite the contrary!

Krumz got a bit excited and didn't moderate his "French" but this doesn't make him a bad guy. Anyone would probably react the same way if you get repeatedly throw into the mud....

Not trying to raise a dispute here but genuinely trying to understand some of the following accusation:

Quote from: Phildo
You realize that team ion is lead by a man who is currently business partners with one of the main culprits in enabling the GAW scam to rope on as many people as it did, right?

Who are you referring to and can you please provide facts?

Quote from: Phildo
...collecting the xpy to start definitely puts them together.

Have they not burned all the collected XPY? If not can you prove it?


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August 22, 2016, 10:54:35 AM
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well,well..
i stand corrected with my comment about this thread getting a bit tired..
nothing like a bit of krumblez fodder to get the ol bowels moving eh?

carry on then chaps....

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well,well..
i stand corrected with my comment about this thread getting a bit tired..
nothing like a bit of krumblez fodder to get the ol bowels moving eh?

carry on then chaps....

We won't be transparent and provide proof of anything we state, but don't call us a scam. That is just not true, trust us😜

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August 22, 2016, 11:31:12 AM
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You are truly moronic, and especially after the upstanding things I heard about you in the past, I have no respect for you now.

And " If the ION team would happen to amaze us with technological innovation, transparency, business execution - that's what we would discuss here."

You would not have the balls (sic) to change your ways and thinking when the products are delivered so please do not try to pull the perverbial wool over my eyes.

You're missing the point my friend. Even if I removed ION from the title and went on a sabbatical to travel around the world - that wouldn't make the whole ionomy thing any more successful. This thread, or what I think, or the size of my sick balls doesn't make or break the project, just like it didn't for Garza. Who by the way was also very unhappy about the discussion here, so go figure.

Suchmoon I do respect the work you've done over the years, gathering so many pieces of evidence and proving A+B that Garza is a scammer and as Allen stated on several occasion, your contribution is by far the most valuable one and thanks to you, has enabled GAWsuit to collect enough evidences for it's case.





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You are truly moronic, and especially after the upstanding things I heard about you in the past, I have no respect for you now.

And " If the ION team would happen to amaze us with technological innovation, transparency, business execution - that's what we would discuss here."

You would not have the balls (sic) to change your ways and thinking when the products are delivered so please do not try to pull the perverbial wool over my eyes.

You're missing the point my friend. Even if I removed ION from the title and went on a sabbatical to travel around the world - that wouldn't make the whole ionomy thing any more successful. This thread, or what I think, or the size of my sick balls doesn't make or break the project, just like it didn't for Garza. Who by the way was also very unhappy about the discussion here, so go figure.

Suchmoon I do respect the work you've done over the years, gathering so many pieces of evidence and proving A+B that Garza is a scammer and as Allen stated on several occasion, your contribution is by far the most valuable one and thanks to you, has enabled GAWsuit to collect enough evidences for it's case.

However, I agree with Krumz on that one! ION has nothing to do with XPY anymore and should not be listed in that thread.

Apart from the fact that Krumz & XPYTeam have spent a considerable amount of time and personal ressources trying to revive a coin in which they believed, they shouldn't be linked with Garza anymore. All of them got scammed by him and this doesn't make them complicit, quite the contrary!

Time has proven that:

  • all members of the now defunct TeamXPY had not link with Garza
  • most of them are members of GAWsuit and are all looking forward to the day when justice will be done.

Krumz got a bit excited and didn't moderate his "French" but this doesn't make him a bad guy. Anyone would probably react the same way if you get repeatedly throw into the mud....

Krumz is entitled to his opinion and is welcome (despite some posters claiming otherwise) to voice it here with as much French as he wants, as long as it's on topic.

I'm not gonna repeat myself - here is why I added ION the title of this thread and why it doesn't automatically mean it must be a scam:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=857670.msg15993693#msg15993693

You might also want to take a look at the origin of this thread and you'll see that these are similar types of questions that were raised two years ago:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=720844

tl;dr: It's not so much some kind of physical association but mostly the behavior patterns that make ION a notable successor to XPY et al.

Not trying to raise a dispute here but genuinely trying to understand some of the following accusation:

Quote from: Phildo
You realize that team ion is lead by a man who is currently business partners with one of the main culprits in enabling the GAW scam to rope on as many people as it did, right?

Who are you referring to and can you please provide facts?

I'm guessing Matlack and Mordica:

http://prestigeauditing.com/about-the-owner/

Quote from: Phildo
...collecting the xpy to start definitely puts them together.

Have they not burned all the collected XPY? If not can you prove it?

https://chainz.cryptoid.info/xpy/

11+ million still outstanding. It was claimed that 10 million (out of 16 million in existence at that time) where exchanged into ION so only ~5 million have been burned and they didn't even publish the addresses for the other 5 million.
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I'm guessing Matlack and Mordica:
http://prestigeauditing.com/about-the-owner

Allen has spent countless hours of work and successfully build a case against Garza. Why on earth would he do that if he was still a close associate of Garza?

Adam blindly lost over $500K and I doubt he's still Garza's best pal...

As for Joe yes he worked for Garza but later left GAW and fully collaborated with Allen and even the justice in order to build a solid legal case against Garza.

Yes these guys may have worked with Garza at some point but this doesn't make them intimate business partners or complicit. They would be complicit if as per today any of them would clearly stand by Garza's side. None of them does.

As for IONOMY, unless otherwise proven, only Adam seems to be involved...

11+ million still outstanding. It was claimed that 10 million (out of 16 million in existence at that time) where exchanged into ION so only ~5 million have been burned and they didn't even publish the addresses for the other 5 million.

On that one you are totally right. They should have burned XPY as promised.
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Matlack is a pastor and will be Homer's spiritual adviser.

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I'm guessing Matlack and Mordica:
http://prestigeauditing.com/about-the-owner

Allen has spent countless hours of work and successfully build a case against Garza. Why on earth would he do that if he was still a close associate of Garza?

Adam blindly lost over $500K and I doubt he's still Garza's best pal...

As for Joe yes he worked for Garza but later left GAW and fully collaborated with Allen and even the justice in order to build a solid legal case against Garza.

Yes these guys may have worked with Garza but that's old story.

As for IONOMY, unless otherwise proven, only Adam seems to be involved...

I'm just illustrating Phildo's statement. I have no clue nor do I care if they are still buddies with Garza but Mordica is the guy next to Garza in this picture acting as if those miners with no cooling or wiring is their "hashlet datacenter".



So I'm not gonna pretend that I trust him - whether he tried to save his ass by rolling on his old boss or not - but that's beside the point. As you said he's likely not involved in ION despite having his mug next to Adam's, and ION has enough shady stuff of its own.
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Right before Homero lost his innocence this photo was taken; Stu was ready that day. Homero was anxious but still had a soul. Uncle Stu is a predator and maybe if it wasn't for his actions that day, Homero may have kept his ethics. His soul was gone after this. Instead of "smile", Uncle Stu whispered, "I brought protection." As Homero turned back around, his reaction was captured by the flash of light, forever preserving the moment it all began. Homero will always remember that day Stu held close and flexed against his arm as the photo was taken, the thrusting and gaping that soon followed. He would take revenge on Stu by bringing his company into a scam.



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Matlack is a pastor and will be Homer's spiritual adviser.

Who knows... Maybe Father Matlack will redress Garza's corrupted spirit and bring him back to salvation 😂😂😂
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Matlack is a pastor and will be Homer's spiritual adviser.

So Matlack, too, is skilled in the art of selling people things which don't actually exist.

How ironic.


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The next day, Homero exclaimed, "I am no longer Homero! Call me Josh Garza, aka Assking!"

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The next day, Homero exclaimed, "I am no longer Homero! Call me Josh Garza, aka Assking!"

I bet his name in jail will be assking... Cheesy

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You are truly moronic, and especially after the upstanding things I heard about you in the past, I have no respect for you now.

And " If the ION team would happen to amaze us with technological innovation, transparency, business execution - that's what we would discuss here."

You would not have the balls (sic) to change your ways and thinking when the products are delivered so please do not try to pull the perverbial wool over my eyes.

You're missing the point my friend. Even if I removed ION from the title and went on a sabbatical to travel around the world - that wouldn't make the whole ionomy thing any more successful. This thread, or what I think, or the size of my sick balls doesn't make or break the project, just like it didn't for Garza. Who by the way was also very unhappy about the discussion here, so go figure.

Suchmoon I do respect the work you've done over the years, gathering so many pieces of evidence and proving A+B that Garza is a scammer and as Allen stated on several occasion, your contribution is by far the most valuable one and thanks to you, has enabled GAWsuit to collect enough evidences for it's case.

However, I agree with Krumz on that one! ION has nothing to do with Garza and should not be listed in that thread.

Apart from the fact that Krumz & TeamXPY have spent a considerable amount of time and personal ressources trying to revive a coin in which they believed, they shouldn't be linked with Garza anymore. All of them got scammed by him and this doesn't make them complicit, quite the contrary!

Krumz got a bit excited and didn't moderate his "French" but this doesn't make him a bad guy. Anyone would probably react the same way if you get repeatedly throw into the mud....

Not trying to raise a dispute here but genuinely trying to understand some of the following accusation:

Quote from: Phildo
You realize that team ion is lead by a man who is currently business partners with one of the main culprits in enabling the GAW scam to rope on as many people as it did, right?

Who are you referring to and can you please provide facts?

Quote from: Phildo
...collecting the xpy to start definitely puts them together.

Have they not burned all the collected XPY? If not can you prove it?




Faulty logic, boys.

Krumz says ION has nothing to do with Garza and should not be listed in that thread.
Are you kidding?

Garza's stink is all over XPY --> TEAM XPY---> ION  ----> etc...etc. 

Get a life.  Get a new idea.  Get a new project.

CUT your f*cking losses, already!
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Ion thread split 8 times today. Wonder why?

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Ion thread split 8 times today. Wonder why?

Posts getting moved into Investigations:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1593444.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1593454.0
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Looks like I started one by unearthing wildsharks website.  Roll Eyes
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lol i got my own thread wtf

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Looks like I started one by unearthing wildsharks website.  Roll Eyes

He was happy about it on slack. Free self promotion. And the site was public and posted in his profile of several forums. Was confused as to why that got sent to investigations. O well, back to the matter at hand.

The ION team could distance themselves from all this XPY stench, if they choose to. Follows the same playbook as XPY doesn't help any (inflation, stakers, etc). Being transparent with their ICO funds and addresses would go a long way as well. Wasn't it Ganza that refused to post addresses? Thought so.

I would think they would want to separate the project and after what they all have been through, been the poster child for blockchain transparency. Instead they chose to go Garzas route of transparency: Just trust me.

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